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After ranting about how "illegal immigration is modern-day slavery," Beck compares himself to Ben Franklin

October 09, 2009 6:50 pm ET

From the October 9 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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Previously:

Beck: "modern day slave state" being constructed out of ACORN, SEIU, student loans, census and service initiatives

Beck: "The government's irresponsible spending is turning us into slaves"

Beck says he can "make a case" Rathke brothers are "enslaving people through ACORN"

Tax deduction change latest Obama proposal Beck claims "involves enslaving people"

Beck: "You know what this president is doing right now? He is addicting this country to heroin-the heroin that is government slavery."

Beck says of stimulus package: "It is slavery"

Beck again compares recovery bill to slavery 

Does Glenn Beck support the slave trade or is he just an "idiot"? 

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 09, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck...the actor! Watch his performance carefully... Can TV movies be far behind?
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      • Author by mwjarv (October 09, 2009 10:08 pm ET)
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        Sounds like an HBO movie... Kenneth Branagh maybe? It will be ironic because it will most likely happen and whomever plays Beck will get awards that Beck himself could never possible obtain.
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    • Author by noneyabidnis (October 09, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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      Of course, this is all connected. He picks random crap to talk about every day, and then figures out a way to connect it all. It's like an 8th grade research paper.
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    • Author by noneyabidnis (October 09, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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      1.) Look at the largest corporations in the US. How often do they employ illegals?

      2.) Is Beck really saying that folks in the past just pretended to be racist so they could help the slaves become free?

      3.) There's a big difference between slaves being kidnapped and shipped from Africa by force and someone from Mexico willing to do anything, including putting their life at great risk, to come work in this great country.

      I love the imagery he paints with his message. Basically, if we don't get rid of illegals now, in 50 years, we'll have another civil war.
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    • Author by Jesseb37 (October 09, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
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      Is it me or is Beck a 1/4 right on this... Illegal Immigrants are treated like slaves. He does need a history book to understand the intentions of the founding fathers. But wow... seems that he is almost supporting immigrants.
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      • Author by Be Responsible (October 09, 2009 7:34 pm ET)
           
        Agree with you, he was making some headway in the first half of the clip. Of course he dropped the ball during the rest of the clip. I guess it proves that people, including Glenn Beck, can be half right half of the time.
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      • Author by Major Tom (October 09, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
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        He is using a progressive arguement to try and get the borders shut. After all, we don't want slaves, right? But his rant doesn't offer solutions. His solution, I'd wager, is to round them up and throw them out, and build a arge wall behind them. It is isolationist intentions hiding behind progresssive empathy.
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        • Author by christopher howard (October 10, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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          Exactly right. He's zigging left to zag right. His deep concern for the rights of illegals as slaves should be viewed in light of his past statements about illegals, which were far from charitable.

          Such as: "One, they're terrorists; two, they're escaping the law; or three, they're hungry. They can't make a living in their own dirtbag country."

          Mocks the idea that illegals could even be good family people.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-yP-qL3Yrk

          Jokes about turning Mexicans into fuel.

          http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000418

          Beck's Tea Bag supporters certainly don't see them as human. Just one example...

          http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/nh-teabagger-illegal-immigrants-send

          But, oh yeah, he's their champion and defender.

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        • Author by vysotsky (October 10, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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          I also liked his bit about how "no one is really encouraging them [illegal immigrants] to speak the language [English]." Actually, I don't know anyone against the public teaching of English to immigrants... oh, that's right, except conservatives who argue that this would constitute wasting tax dollars on illegal immigrants.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (October 09, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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      Beck is just trying to find a safe right-winged, conservative argument to keep his ratings up, that's ALL. The writing is on the wall for Beck at FoxNews Channel, so now he must try to find some way in saving his non-sensecal show of hatred against an American President. Beck is riding that wave to the end, LOL.
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      • Author by snoopy (October 09, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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        He has to keep his ratings up. It's not like he has any sponsors anymore...
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        • Author by vysotsky (October 10, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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          That's not true at all. How dare you. The fine people at ExtenZe await your apology.
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    • Author by volcom84 (October 09, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
         
      if he knows the actual def. of slavery and its context in american history, give this guy a hand- he has some serious brass balls. that was cool how he pulled that off...

      or, if he didn't know the actual def. of slavery and its context in american history, just let it go... he was probably kidding anyways. OR, someone told beck the story without a fact or two... so, not his fault. chill out.
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    • Author by pilotx (October 09, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
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      "The founders despite what revisionist historians say wanted to end slavery. Well not all of them, especially in the south,but most of them".
      Alright, alright one or two of em. OK, Thomas Payne the atheiest was the biggest proponent of emancipation but I won't talk about that because that will hurt my argumant about this being a Christian nation.
      Gee, thanks for the history lesson about my ancestors being counted as 3/5 of a human being. Thanks Mr. Founders for not counting us as humans so we could be fully human?
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      • Author by highliter (October 12, 2009 11:33 am ET)
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        You are an Idiot opponents of slavery called for the 3/5th rule to limit the voting power of the Sothern state. Its the Sothern state who supported slavery that want slave to count as full person.
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 12, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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          You are an Idiot

          So says the "Sothern" apologist. Got to love that irony!
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      • Author by fawltylogic (October 12, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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        Payne was not an atheist. He was very anti-organized religion though (which Beck and co like to keep very quiet about).
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    • Author by pilotx (October 09, 2009 8:35 pm ET)
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      And call me crazy, just like Beck, but uhhhhhhh didn't many of the founding fathers actually OWN slaves? T.J. did as did G.W. Hmmmm, somebody needs to read up a little on U.S. history before comparing immigration to slavery methinks.
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    • Author by achorn316 (October 09, 2009 8:46 pm ET)
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      The founders owned slaves. Sorry Glenn, your argument is another epic fail.

      And btw.. Ben Franklin would be disgusted by someone like you. Just saying.
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      • Author by bintx (October 11, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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        Jefferson not only OWNED slaves, he had one who was his mistress . . . if that's what you would call sex with a person you owned.
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    • Author by snoopy (October 09, 2009 9:39 pm ET)
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      Franklin wrote a scathing attack against the racial prejudice of the Paxton Boys. "If an Indian injures me," he asked, "does it follow that I may revenge that Injury on all Indians?"


      And that, dear friends, is why a racist like beck could never be compared to the likes of Ben Franklin...
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 12, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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        Comparing Beck to Ben Franklin "is like calling an ox a bull--he's grateful for the honor, but would much rather have restored what's rightfully his."

        --Ben Franklin, in the play 1776
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    • Author by mwjarv (October 09, 2009 10:13 pm ET)
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      As per founding fathers, I don't think Franklin is the one a conservative should pin his cap to. Franklin has a wonderfully eccentric background filled with many many affairs, and an son out of wedlock who was the governor of New Jersey during the American Revolution. But, oh wait, Beck,the patriot, surely knows all of this history, what with his tea parties and what not. You know what could be fun, seeing if Beck could pass the citizenship test, now that I would pay to see. He would probably bail though, like he did on being waterboarded for the troops families...
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      • Author by snoopy (October 09, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
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        I think that if Beck were to compare himself to anyone, it would be Keith Moon of The Who:

        In Moon's biography, Full Moon, Dougal Butler observed: "He would do anything if he knew that there were enough people around who didn't want him to do it."
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      • Author by bintx (October 11, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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        It's like Beck and his Thomas Paine references. Paine would NOT be amused with Mr. Beck.
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    • Author by jbraskin4786 (October 09, 2009 11:22 pm ET)
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      Beck is fat and bald?
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    • Author by bewildered (October 10, 2009 12:20 am ET)
         
      I find it strange how Beck compares himself to Ben Franklin. Didn't Franklin also own slaves before he was against it?

      http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/l3_citizen_abolitionist.html

      "Almost all of our country's founding fathers owned slaves at one time or another, including Benjamin Franklin."

      "Some scholars believe that Franklin's conversion to abolitionist beliefs was hastened by his animosity towards the British."

      "The abolitionist movement in colonial America was fairly limited and considered quite radical."

      "Franklin recognized that freed slaves could not fend for themselves without help, so he advanced the idea that slaves needed to be educated in order to become contributing members of a free society."

      First note in the third quote Franklin was characterized as a "radical" of his time. Sound famaliar Beck. Isn't Obama a radical?

      Next, in the last quote slaves needed help and education. Who was going to pay for that? Of course the government and other charitable organizations. Although that would seem 'Socialist' I'm sure most people would support those ideals today.

      Guess what? Many Americans need help today, especially Health Care, Jobs and Housing. It may seem 'Socialist' but with the governments help the economy and people's lives will improve.
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    • Author by Sharpe (October 10, 2009 1:31 am ET)
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      slavery by definition is non-voluntary, it doesn't just mean not covered under the national laws as glen beck seems to think. So unless they are being forced to come into this country and stay here, this is NOT slavery. Last I checked, its the opposite - we have a border patrol that tries to keep them out and they sneak in. Im sure slaves snuck into slavery all the time too though. Plus, slaves did not make ANY MONEY for their work. So the immigrants are coming all the way to the US just to work for free? How generous of them. Do they have to pay their employers where they come from or something? So I guess glen is now all of a sudden for immigrants rights and for them to be covered under health insurance? Isnt that what Wilson screamed obama lied about? There is so much confusion and misinformation in this 8 minute clip, a decent response against beck would require writing a novel.
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      • Author by patrioticKate (October 10, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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        Basically they come over for WELFARE!!! That's why they cross the border to have their children!! Then they stay here and collect welface and WIC for the kids that they have here!! They put them in Public schools and then we pay more for them!! They are not slaves because they GET money for doing absolutely NOTHING!! We give them hand-outs and they are content to DO NOTHING!! That is why more and more of them are trying to get in!!!
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        • Author by vysotsky (October 10, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
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          "Basically they come over for WELFARE!!! That's why they cross the border to have their children!! Then they stay here and collect welface..."

          That's a good one! patrioticKate, you're fast becoming my favorite commenter on this website for your hilarious send-ups of conservative talking points. Keep up the great work!
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        • Author by AZ (October 10, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
             
          Well, they certainly aren't coming here for our generations old, self promoted ideal that one can be and make anything for themselves..
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        • Author by bintx (October 11, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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          Are you KIDDING me! I live in West Texas and have lived side-by-side with "illegal immigrants" for most of my life . . . guess what? They work harder than YOU do and they rarely EVER apply for either welfare nor do they go to the emergency rooms for care. To do so would bring attention to their illegal status and would mean immediate deportation.

          Turn off Dobbs and the like . . . they are racist fools.
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        • Author by papa bear3 (October 12, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
             
          WHAT???? Have you looked at the entrance of your local "Home Depot" or "Lowes" or similar home improvement/construction supply house. There are crowds of mostly Latino WORKERS who are begging for a day gig. The few who get picked by sub-contractors are promised a $100 dollars for a days work, they may get $60, some are ripped off. Others fall prey to locals.

          OR they could stay home and work in American corporation's factories along the Rio Grande, and live in refrigerator cartons or culvert halfs, and drink the fetid water they just urinated in.

          OR join a drug gang in Juarez that supplies the coke, meth and heroin to your spoiled teenager or husband.

          OR run guns back across the border for these gangs
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    • Author by mesamomof2 (October 10, 2009 2:05 am ET)
         
      Working with a largely Hispanic school population (many illegals) in a poor area of central Arizona, I think Beck has made some accurate points of how these hard working folks are treated. I know firsthand how my parents are taken advantage of at their jobs. Beck's correct, they don't have rights. I would agree their plight is voluntary as opposed to non-voluntary therefore not really slaves in the historical sense but they have been allowed in and don't have rights. Allow me to expand on the "allowed in" since this relates to politics on a local level. The schools allow illegals to enroll so they can keep their enrollment up -more money! Like Las Vegas - you have to put the butts in the seats. (There is probably some state or federal law to support this enrollment - not knowledgeable on this point.) One consequence translates to reductions in services for the legal students. I witnessed my legal kid with specific learning disabilities not have any program made available as the money went to ESL and AVID programs to support the illegals. Beck has some things right. I think my liberal friends, there are some areas we need to pull our heads out of the sand as you will be affected in a personal way. Wisen up - conservative bashing is not going to improve matters.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (October 10, 2009 6:01 am ET)
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      Like Ben Franklin, Ha!

      At least Ben let go of the key before he fried his brain.
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    • Author by eclare (October 10, 2009 10:19 am ET)
         
      Ben Franklin--you mean the brilliant diplomat, statesman, inventor, business man, once passionate Torey, and esteemed author, who happened to also reject organized religion, rarely mentioned God in all his writings, advocated for all kinds of socialist institutions including FREE HOSPITALS, left his family to fend for themselves in Philly while he openly dallied with young sexpots from the French court? That Ben Franklin or the "conservative Christian family man", the one that the conservative revisionists have made into a cartoon character mascot of the Third Reich--er I mean--Conservative Christian Right? I get the two mixed up...
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    • Author by Midnight Kevin (October 10, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      If illegal immigration is the modern slavery, would Beck then be alluding that he is for emancipation, or would that put him in Obama's future hypothetical opinion?

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    • Author by captfoster2 (October 10, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
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      I'm confused...

      The last 30 years of Republican dominated / corporate destruction of the American dream... very little to near silence spoken by the likes of slimy slugs like Glenn Beck.

      Suddenly we have Democrats in the White House and Congress who may very likely will go back to FDR days at some point? or perhaps not?

      I see what this clown is doing... he knows perfectly well that the chances of Obama and the Dems getting America to do what Glenn speaks of here, with all the corporate influences in government... this jerk is trying to set up the 'illegal imigrants' to blame the Democrats for all their ills!

      Suddenly this piece of trash is concerned about the illegal aliens getting education or being treated fairly and suddenly the corporations should be as much or more to blame? Now he shows concern?

      This has been the exact argument made by liberals and progressives for several decades if not centuries, all along being derided by right-wing thugs like Glenn here... and now this neanderthal is trying to claim it as his own??

      I would certainly hope that all 'illegals' can see through this lunacy!

      In the immortal words of Frank Barone "Holy Crap!"
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    • Author by AlwaysRightLeftist (October 11, 2009 12:42 am ET)
         
      So Glenn Beck is anti-corporate, pro-big government now? Or was that just yesterday? Dude needs meds.
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    • Author by Ribelin2000 (October 11, 2009 7:13 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck: A legend in his own mind.
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    • Author by einreb (October 12, 2009 9:45 am ET)
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      I knew Ben Franklin. Ben Franklin was a friend of mine. And you sir, are no Ben Franklin.
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    • Author by fawltylogic (October 12, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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      The solution is to give the slaves full rights including American citizenship, right?
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (October 12, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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      I think a more accurate analogy would be to compare BECK to SEN. JOE McCARTHY.
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