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Fox hosts Ledeen to say that sanctions never work against "enemy country," South Africa "wanted to be with us"

October 15, 2009 7:45 am ET

From the October 15 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 15, 2009 8:05 am ET)
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      Why doesn't Michael Ledeen what part he played in creating the bogus Niger letter that Bush used to argue that Saddam had acquired yellowcake?

      It just kills me when FOX uses "experts" whose shady histories their viewers know nothing about.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 15, 2009 8:07 am ET)
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        Should read: Why doesn't FOX ask Michael Ledeen...

        Sorry, but I got so pi$$ed off just seeing Michael Ledeen trotted out as a credible person on any topic...
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        • Author by christopher howard (October 15, 2009 8:42 am ET)
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          Ledeen of the "Ledeen Doctrine" fame?

          According to Ledeen's supporter, Jonah Goldberg, its "bedrock tenet" is: "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."

          Goldberg has tried to walk this one back several times, as something Ledeen may or may not have said, but in his original article he stated hearing Ledeen saying it in person.

          http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTFhZGQ4Y2IyZmNlY2QyNDkwZTlkZjFkYjZiNWY0YzU=

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (October 15, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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            Ledeen is a prime example of the prototypical ugly neocon. He believes that America should impose its will on the world by force...becaue we can.
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      • Author by newzhound (October 15, 2009 11:09 am ET)
           
        Great point!

        Didn't Vanity Fair run a thorough investigative article about this a few years ago? Curve Ball, yellowcake, Chalabi (after the glowing puff piece they published on him - I'm still po'd about that one), and all the rest?
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    • Author by pilotshark (October 15, 2009 10:24 am ET)
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      He just believes America is in the idea business, We get a idea go to the head of a country and sale that idea. We said country tells us they dont like that idea, we send in our negotiation team (US Military) who negotiates with them until said country comes on board with said idea.
      The old win the Hearts and mines of the people plan. Grab them by there balls and there mines and hearts will follow.

      both plans Has never work as well.
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    • Author by soze169880 (October 15, 2009 10:57 am ET)
         
      When movement conservatism is so fixated on repeating that there is no white racism anywhere in the universe anymore because shut up that's why, it seems somewhat counter-productive to bring on people to say we were meanies to the practitioners of apartheid.
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    • Author by TheDayV (October 15, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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      Some of the staunchest critics of actions against South Africa were Americans. The profits coming back from Apartheid South Africa were so amazingly good (like 25% on investment or something) that the opposition to any actions against Johannesburg predominantly came from the business sectors within Great Britain and the United States, both of whom had immense investments in what was essentially slavery.

      The political opposition to sanctions was based on the idea that South Africa was a strong player against Marxism. But overall, the opposition had more to do with the economic consequences for the sanctioners.
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      • Author by christopher howard (October 15, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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        Not really related to Ledeen, but back in the early 80s I somehow got on Jerry Falwell's mailing list and received some of his materials. Among them was an audio casette where he and the rightwing congressman Bob (B-1) Dornan were ruminating on how most black South Africans were really pro-Apartheid and how those who opposed the system were all communists.
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