Juan Williams a dittohead?: Subbing for O'Reilly, Williams suggests Obama admin caused failure of Limbaugh NFL bid

by thundavolt (October 16, 2009 9:03 pm ET)

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If we keep playing guilt by association, I'm 100% sure Rush is linked to the Klan leader. It's a silly game to play and should stop now. He was just shouting because he got dissed for trying to help Rush by saying he was innocent of all the racist statements he had ever made since one could not be verified.

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by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 9:14 pm ET)
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Here 2 chances for you to prove that "one was not verified". Show a link to Limbaugh's NAACP comments or to his James Earl Ray comments.

What is the offensive part shown in this report is the behavior of Warren Ballantine, a good loyal lefty, who told Williams to go "back to the porch". Of course MMFA crops the report and omits that part. They don't want to show the classless lefty. I am not surprised in the least.

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- by snoopy (October 16, 2009 9:41 pm ET)
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  You remind me of some of the factory workers I have to train. You can spend the entire day with them showing them how to do the job correctly, and by the end of the day think you accomplished something. Then morning comes and they show up as stupid as a brick which makes you realize they got stoned on Rush last night and forgot everything they learned. A perpetual nightmare for progress, a wet dream for reichwingers who want blind adulation...
  
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  - by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 10:15 pm ET)
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    Well, obviously you must have also learned that the comments attributed to Limbaugh are in fact bogus. I see you have not posted any links either.
    
    I also notice how you still look down on people you believe are beneath you, like those "stupid as a brick" factory workers. At least you are consistent in your bigotry.
    
    I would also venture a guess and assume that you did approve of the classless comments made by Warren Ballantine.
    
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    - by snoopy (October 16, 2009 10:27 pm ET)
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      The links were posted again, and again, and again, you sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la-la-la-la-la I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" doesn't change a thing, it just re-affirms you to be the willfully ignorant reichwinger you strive to be.
      
      P.S. Note that I said "some", as in minority, i.e. reichwingers. If you want to change the definition of bigotry to equal disdain of ignorant racists, then I'm OK with you calling me a bigot. Your poutrage is soooo predictable!
      
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      - by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
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        Yes you did say "some" my mistake.
        
        But no, the links were not posted. And no one has posted them in the last few days either when they became a topic of conversation.
        
        I did however post the links and the quotes regarding the racist behavior of Warren Ballantine, another fine example of the liberal mindset.
        
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        by juliajayne1 (October 16, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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        I bet you'd never heard of Warren Ballantine before some righty blowhard put him into your lexicon. And what racists comments by Rush are you not familiar with or that haven't been "verified"? Some in a very specific situation, say? What about the others that have been documented for years? Care to defend those? Prolly not since you can't. Fraud!
        
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        by fairliberal (October 17, 2009 12:33 am ET)
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        How about the NAACP and liquoir store comments, or the James Earl Ray comments. There is no evidence he said either. Can you show otherwise? Nope you can't can you? His McNabb comments were not racist, his comments about basketball and gangs were not racist but related to policies of Bill Clinton and G H W Bush. His Barack the Magic Negro comments were mocking an article by another writer who used the term. Most of the comments he made were not at all racist, they were controversial but not racist.
        
        And you are right about one thing, I never heard of Warren Ballantine until I saw an example of hs racist ways and did a little investigating. Now that man is a clear cut racist. He admits he voted for Obama only because he is black. But of course the fool is even wrong about that, Obama is bi-racial not black. And he also says any black person who doesn't vote for Obama should re-examine his blackness. Another fine example of the intellectual progressive mind.
        
        Over the last few days the NAACP and James Earl Ray charges have been leveled at Limbaugh repeatedly but no one can support them, can you?
        
        I'll bet you can't.
        
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        by juliajayne1 (October 17, 2009 1:02 am ET)
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        Thanks for showing who and what you are. But it's already been well documented. Like I said....fraud.
        
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        by fairliberal (October 17, 2009 1:40 am ET)
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        Where is the fraud, you are the one doing nothing but name calling. You must have an advanced degree in liberalism. I investigated Ballantine, did you? Do you agree with his racist ways? No you would rather go along with the herd and name call. You must be proud.
        
        But still no support for the charges leveled at Limbaugh. Where is all the proof of these things he reportedly said. I guess they are just delusional fabrications of the liberal mind.
        
        You call me a fraud when you offer nothing but name calling what a joke you are.
        
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        by juliajayne1 (October 17, 2009 2:31 am ET)
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        Rush has been on the air for 20 years. His comments have been well documented. Why are you parsing about some recent events?
        
        Oh I know why. Because those are the new talking points that we're hearing just the last day or so. Including the bit about the guy you keep carping on. Talk about herd....Yeah, you'd know about herds.
        
        Facts don't lie. Rush is a cartoon figure. You buy into his nasty, racist and offensive schtick that he has used to become a millionaire. That says way more about you than I ever could.
        
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        by jeter2 (October 17, 2009 8:23 am ET)
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        Rush has been on the air for 20 years. His comments have been well documented. Why are you parsing about some recent events?
        
        Parsing? No Julia you are wrong here about recent comments that have been widely reported in the MSM. No one has been able to fact check or source them because they were not said by Limbaugh. CNN pulled these alleged quotes off of Wiki & reported them as fact. They have since apologized...but not before every other news organization picked them up & ran with them.
        
        In this instance FairLiberal is correct.
        
        Beating on Limbaugh for what he has actually said is fine. But if the man didn't make certain comments, then they should not have been attributed to him. Simple.
        
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        by juliajayne1 (October 17, 2009 9:06 am ET)
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        If you read my comments carefully, you will see they are of a more general nature. People the last few days are trying to make like Rush Limbaugh hasn't said blatantly stupid, offensive and yes racists things.
        
        They are the ones parsing. If someone somewhere said he said something he in fact didn't, then fine. That doesn't mitigate what he has said, just as you admitted.
        
        That's what I was driving at. Trying to defend Rush because of this is patently silly imo. And it is the new talking point, along with her guy Warren Ballentine.
        
        You can't rewrite history.
        
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        by snoopy (October 17, 2009 10:31 am ET)
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        Jeter, I think the bigger issue isn't 3 comments that he might not have made being attributed to him, it's the 30+ comments he did make. Failedliterally is glossing over Limbaughs racial disdain for minorities and then trying to make a black liberal the cherry on top of his sh!tgloss parfait. Nobody but the poor victimized reichwing is buying it though, so all that is left is for them to cry even louder.
        
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        by pilotx (October 17, 2009 3:44 am ET)
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        I listen to Warren Ballentine regularly as do many other Black people. I do not find him to be a racist but only proud that for the first time in his life he was able to vote for a man who looks like him. If and when the first Indigenous person runs for president I would assume that most Iindigenous people would vote for her or him and I would applaud that, that is just showing pride in one's heritage. As far as him being incorrect that the prez is not Black it has been accepted for centuries that anyone who is bi-racial i.e. Anglo and Black that person would be accepted as Black because for years that person was not accepted as Anglo despite being half white. Remember the one drop rules? Funny how you seem to know nothing about my culture but want to comment about it and express your opinions so forcefully. Geez, nothing ever changes.
        
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        by pragmatic-progressive (October 17, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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        Remember this one? "Barack the Magic Negro..."
        
        Plus all the others.
        
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        by bluestate69 (October 17, 2009 5:56 am ET)
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        rush calling for segregated busses ring a bell? i notice that you left that one out."this is obama's america", "where white kids get beat up for being white, and black kids say, "right on"." seriously, do i have to explain to you why his statements are offensive to me?
        
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        by Brabantio (October 17, 2009 6:21 am ET)
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        Now that man is a clear cut racist. He admits he voted for Obama only because he is black. But of course the fool is even wrong about that, Obama is bi-racial not black. And he also says any black person who doesn't vote for Obama should re-examine his blackness. Another fine example of the intellectual progressive mind.
        How is this supposed to be racist? It does not assert that any race is superior to another, nor does it make any generalizations or slurs about any race. In fact, stating that the merits weren't considered would suggest that there was no conclusion regarding racial superiority or inferiority at all.
        
        If you want to argue that it's wrong, I would agree. People should always vote based on merits. However, I put that in the same category as keeping a wallet found on the street with a thousand bucks in it. It's wrong, but you have to expect some people are going to do it. It's fairly understandable. Many black people were naturally excited about the idea of a black President, and Ballantine clearly got carried away by that. He shouldn't vote for anyone based on race, and he certainly shouldn't try to compel others to do the same. But racist? Not from what you're describing here.
        
        And I'm warning you ahead of time not to try the "but if a white man said the same thing..." idiocy. That would not work out well for you.
        
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        by Col. Harlan Sanders (October 17, 2009 9:36 am ET)
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        Over the last few days the NAACP and James Earl Ray charges have been leveled at Limbaugh repeatedly (Faillib)
        
        I keep hearing that these unverified quotes are being promoted by the media, but the first and last time I've ever heard them mentioned is by those bringing them up as "falsely attributed" to Rush.
        
        Except for , I believe, an NFL player who mentioned one, and that book that nobody would know about except for using unverified quotes, I haven't seen anybody using these quotes.
        
        Here's a chance for you. Faily. Can you show these repeated examples of these charges being leveled at Rush? If you're just talking about people on the street or on websites, never mind, but if you're talking about the media, you really should back yourself up.
        
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        by skatscan5624 (October 17, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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        The James Earl Ray comment was made in the very early days of the Rush show, the early 90's. I heard it myself. I didn't record it because I have a life but you don't forget things like that.
        
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        by Plantsman (October 18, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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        And that's the point, isn't it? These quotes aren't necessarily false, they are unverified because the audio wasn't recorded. Rightists are acting as if the unverified quotes make all Limbaugh's racist quotes go away. They don't. He lost. We won. Get over it. Or not.
        
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        by Aurien (October 17, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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        Really? Can't find anything? Here you go. Nice big article from this very website with quotes, dates, and audio of Rush being a racist.
        
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- by mr.swifty (October 16, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
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  What Mr. Ballantine did was call Juan a "house negro". You know those slaves who didn't have to interact with the field hands, who had a nice spot in massa's house? You know those slaves who would sell their fellow slaves out if they thought it would would further ingratiate them to massa? You know those slaves who tried to convince other slaves that massa wasn't bad; after all, he fed them, gave them a place to sleep, and gave them work. You know those slaves who would call another slave "uppity" and "trouble-maker" if they didn't want to fall in line? It's MY opinion, not of MMFA or anyone who posts here, that Mr. Ballantine was right. I do have one question for you, though: Why is it that picked up on those four words out of everything said in the segment? How were you able to decipher what Ballantine was saying? You must be pretty up on your code words to be able to grasp that so quickly.
  
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  - by pearlene_scott1602 (October 17, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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    What Mr. Ballantine did was call Juan a "house negro". You know those slaves who didn't have to interact with the field hands, who had a nice spot in massa's house? You know those slaves who would sell their fellow slaves out if they thought it would would further ingratiate them to massa? You know those slaves who tried to convince other slaves that massa wasn't bad; after all, he fed them, gave them a place to sleep, and gave them work. You know those slaves who would call another slave "uppity" and "trouble-maker" if they didn't want to fall in line? It's MY opinion, not of MMFA or anyone who posts here, that Mr. Ballantine was right.
    
    BRAVO!!!!!
    
    Juan "the spokesnegro" Williams, is Fox Noise's go to guy for anything related to Black folks. His primary purpose is to validate Fox Noises viewpoint.
    
    And to be fair, ONCE in a blue moon, Juan will express an original opinion on a subject.
    
    In the interest of fairness, "spokesnegro" was originally the Col's , but I borrowed it.
    
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by 083157 (October 17, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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Yeah why would anybody listen to Rush is beyond me but if you think you can't verify Rush as a racist than you are not really listening . I don't listen but i have heard and seen his comments and i guess you could say they were out of context and he is some kind of comedian or satirist but Mark Twain must be spinning in his grave , Howard Stern thinks Rush has no class or morals , Keith Richards is envious of his stash and Kiss wishes they had his forum for self promotion . Rush is just a wind bag .

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by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (October 16, 2009 9:35 pm ET)

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this is why juan williams is never taken seriously... he constantly goes left and right with his opinion and tone and is as good as dirt when on fox, especially with oreilly.

sometimes on oreilly, he is completely agreeing with him, and in the next breath, he is sheepishly disagreeing while still getting yelled over. and then when he guest hosts, which is still a mystery as to why he does, he is shilling for oreilly and using his same tactics.

no wonder this bum is still on fox, but they get rid of fair, respected contributors like marc lamont hill.

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by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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"but they get rid of fair, respected contributors like marc lamont hill"

Just for your uninformed information, Hill still appears regularly on Fox. In fact he was just on the other day discussing Obama's Nobel Prize. He did not approve of it. I guess now you will not consider him fair and respected any longer. He musrt be a bum like Williams because he doesn't give total admiration and support to Obama. God forbid that people have varying opinions.

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- by mary59 (October 16, 2009 10:30 pm ET)
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  He did not approve of Obama's Nobel Prize. Somehow the Norwegians have a global perspective of these matters, and they couldn't care less about what the provencial wing-nuts here think.
  
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  - by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 10:41 pm ET)
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    Boy , you really can't read, I stated that Hill did not approve of the award, did I not?
    
    And are you really calling Dr Hill a wingnut?
    
    And the point to the post was the other poster rediculous claim that Fox got "rid of fair , respected contributers like mark lamont hill'. I pointed out that he was wrong. Do you disagree?
    
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    - by juliajayne1 (October 17, 2009 1:22 am ET)
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      I didn't see Mary call Hill a wingnut. She specifically said the provincial wingnuts here (as on MMFA).
      
      And the firing was just reported. And I don't know what his contract calls for. He could be on air for some time to come if his contract requires it.
      
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      - by mescal (October 17, 2009 1:44 am ET)
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        Jeez, JJ, but you'd think someone who WORKS for the Faux News Channel... like Fauxliberal does... would have known about that firing. I guess that she's not really all that much in the loop there... that her responsibilities run more toward picking up Insanity's clothes from the dry cleaners, trolling here at Media Matters, and fetching coffee for the Loofah Master.
        
        Well, Fauxliberal always has spoken highly of Dr. Hill, hasn't she? She's often cited his liberal opinions as an example of the fairness that one can expect from Faux News. And he really wasn't all that bad, if you ask me. He was far more intelligent than the on-air personel that he was asked to work with. It's a wonder that he lasted as long as he did, really.
        
        And Fauxliberal is right, in a manner of speaking. Dr. Hill's employment at the Faux News Channel does speak volumes of their commitment to being fair and balanced.
        
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        by robyn20094113 (October 17, 2009 6:49 am ET)
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        Now, don't underestimate Fair's abilities. She may be Beck's spell checker, chief chalkboard eraser, or maybe, part of his research team.
        
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      - by fairliberal (October 17, 2009 2:04 am ET)
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        Well if they fired Hill, I disagree with the move, his commentary was usually informative, even if one disagrees with him. ButIt seems there are reports that Fox did fire him and so I owe slyfox an apology. I was the uninformed one on this.
        
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        by mescal (October 18, 2009 2:37 am ET)
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        Among many many other things.
        
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- by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 11:17 pm ET)
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  I love how I get the thumbs down for pointing out that the other poster was dead wrong. And it is not a matter of opinion, he was flat out wrong.
  
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  - by soze169880 (October 16, 2009 11:34 pm ET)
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    If you love it, then for once- just ONCE- stop whining.
    
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by carlileb5935 (October 16, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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When filling in for BOR he reads from a teleprompter script. That's how it works.

I hope they are paying him enough. Notice tonight how he got his undies in a knot, when some guy yesterday told him to get back on the porch? Funny.

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- by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 10:46 pm ET)
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  Yes why should he be upset at a racist who makes comments like these...." But I'm going to vote for him because he's black, not because of his qualifications."
  
  and these.....
  "Any black person who considers not voting for Brother Obama needs to re-evaluate their own blackness"
  
  http://parago.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/22/732518-black-not-planning-to-vote-for-obama-re-evaluate-your-own-blackness
  
  You would rather focus on the made up claims about Limbaugh , rather than even address the bigotry of those on "your side of the fence". Stick you head back in the sand. You fit right in here at MMFA, they are hypocrites too.
  
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  - by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2009 10:59 pm ET)
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    Poor, poor Rush Limbaugh...so misunderstood. If only people would see the kindness in his neart... ;>)
    
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    - by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 11:12 pm ET)
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      Why not address the racist comments that are not in dispute, those of Warren Ballantine, another fine Obama supporter. A man who stated that he did not vote for Obama for his qualifications, he voted for him because he was black. You know, the guy that MMFA cropped out of the report.
      
      Fox News, "fair and balanced" , MMFA "unfair and unbalanced". MMFA the perfect news source for liberals all over the country.
      
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      - by pilotx (October 17, 2009 3:57 am ET)
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        So you consider it racist that Mr. Ballentine is proud that for the first time EVER in this great nation of our he and others can actually vote for a person that looks like himself? So all of the Hillary backers were sexist because they wanted to see the first woman president? I must know alot of racists and sexists. Let's put this in perspective, my great aunt who is 87 years old has seen firsthand TRUE racism and discrimination. She has been denied entry into establishments because of the color of her skin, she has been denied entry into academic institutions because of the color of her skin and her life has been threatened because she had the temerity to believe that she had a right to cast a ballot for the candidate of her choice. Now, she knew she would die before seeing a Black president but lo and behold this young intelligent man from Chicago comes along and her eyes lit up like I've never seen before. She stood in line to cast her vote for the first Black president. Now I ask is she a racist? Think long before answering. Voting for a person of your own ethnicity is in no way as racist as the true racism that happened in this country.
        
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        by congero6189599 (October 17, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
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        somebody gave you a thumbs down for your above post? :-(
        
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        by pilotx (October 17, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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        They probably listen to Rush;)
        
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        by The_Cat (October 18, 2009 12:07 am ET)
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        No, they probably believe Rush.
        
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      - by pearlene_scott1602 (October 17, 2009 7:05 pm ET)
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        Why not address the racist comments that are not in dispute, those of Warren Ballantine, another fine Obama supporter. A man who stated that he did not vote for Obama for his qualifications, he voted for him because he was black. You know, the guy that MMFA cropped out of the report
        
        Warren said this before the comments you posted:
        
        "I think Brother Obama is VERY qualified".
        
        Seriously, you've got to STOP claiming every comment YOU disagree with is racist!
        
        YOU don't have a freaking clue about racists comments and it's insulting to those, like myself, to hear you whine about a subject you couldn't buy a clue about!
        
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        by srichardson (October 18, 2009 9:41 am ET)
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        I figured fairliberal was leaving out the fact that Ballantine qualified his statement that he voted for Obama bc he was black with "and qualified." Fairliberal obviously takes liberties with the quotes of others by adding on her own take at the end of the person's quote, just like Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity and.... It's so irritating. Why do people always ignore the wrongs that their idols commit by pointing out the faults of others. Not that I'm agreeing that Ballantine is a racist, I haven't heard him speak. But to even try to compare Limbaugh's brand of racism to that of an African American (still not saying he's racist) is like comparing apples and oranges.
        
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      - by mr.swifty (October 18, 2009 6:33 am ET)
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        I'll take your carrot. The quote you're attributing to Ballantine is totally ignorant. There's no getting around it. Are you happy now? Now I have a question for you: What does one stupid comment by somebody I've never heard of have to do with Rush's looooooooooong history of racist comments? Does this somehow absolve Rush of all the other verified racist comments he's made, not counting the three in question?
        
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by blk-in-alabam (October 17, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
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Depends on how much fox paying for the deed.

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by whillenbrand (October 16, 2009 9:49 pm ET)

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Juan, Last night you confirmed to O'Rielly that you believe that Limbaugh is the victim of a "Witch Hunt" - Shame on you. I listen to you on NPR and hear a journalist. Then I hear you on Fox and hear this nonsense.

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by canaanxing9025 (October 16, 2009 9:54 pm ET)

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Limbaugh is responsible for his own words. His apoligists are talking about two quotes, that Limbaugh has denied, while ignoring a twenty year history of hate mongering, lies, and character assination of anyone who dared criticize him.

This is the old lawyer's trick, if you don't have defense, change the subject.

The media, Obama, the NFL owners, and anybody else he choses to dredege up to blame are not responsible for this. Limabugh has fouled himself, and now he has to live with the stench.

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by my4cents (October 16, 2009 10:18 pm ET)
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Any individual is only as big, important, savior as you want to make him to be.
Who cares if Rush could not buy Rams? He lost and is behaving like the 'liberal' he despises.
Actually he is making millions being a hypocritical whiner.
I have listened (watched when he was on TV) to him 5 min. at a time since 1993 and always wondered 'who listens to him?'. Now I wonder who believes him?
Don't we live in a free market world anymore?

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by dimes (October 16, 2009 9:56 pm ET)

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These constant 'guilt by association' smears are absurd - everyone who has ever had any contact with the President is part of some vast conspiracy? Give me a break.

What I find more interesting about this clip is the slant that Williams took in pointing a finger at the NFL Player's Association for its statements slamming Rush while completely absolving Commissioner Roger Goodell for holding the same views.

Williams:
"We see the NFL Players Association trying to use this because they're in the midst of contract negotiations and they want to knock the Commissioner, Roger Goodell, back on his heels - make him feel defensive."

Say what? This is what Goodell had to say on the matter:

"Commissioner Roger Goodell repeatedly distanced the league from Limbaugh's statements on Tuesday, calling them "polarizing comments that we don't think reflect accurately on the NFL or our players."

"I have said many times before that we are all held to a higher standard here," the commissioner said. "I think divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about. I would not want to see those kind of comments from people who are in a responsible position within the NFL. No. Absolutely not."

So why is Williams bending over backwards to give him a gold-plated Get Out of Fox Hell Free card?

Could it be because Goodell is the husband of Fox anchor, Jane Skinner?

Nice try at the whole blame diversion thing, Juan. But FAIL.

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by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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I see how you decry "guilt by association" but then you display very similar behavior . Great job.

Who is failing now?

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- by snoopy (October 16, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
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  Poor baby, hate having your hypocricy pointed out to you, so you have to resort to the "but, but, but, you're doing it too!" game? Doesn't change the fact that you're a hypocrite to begin with...
  
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- by National_Insecurity (October 16, 2009 10:38 pm ET)
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  What is the "guilt by association to which you're referring?"
  
  The NFL Players Association and Commissioner Goodell are one the same side - neither wants el Rushbo involved in responsible NFL position.
  
  Or are you introducing a non sequitur?
  
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  - by fairliberal (October 16, 2009 11:15 pm ET)
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    It was "dimes " that was referring to guilt by association, did you not read the post I was referring to?
    
    I commented that his behavior was very similar, did you not read that either?
    
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    - by mescal (October 17, 2009 1:53 am ET)
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      So... let me see if I understand you here, Fauxliberal... you're upset that Dimes was ... according to you... practicing the Faux News Channel's standard operating procedure of guilt by association? The very technique that has made them a 'ratings giant'? And that makes HIM a hypocrite?
      
      And so, when you condemn Dimes for doing what you've long defended, you're NOT a hypocrite because...?
      
      Yeah, you're going to have to help me out here.
      
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- by dimes (October 16, 2009 11:24 pm ET)
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  Actually, what I'm pointing out is "innocence by association". It doesn't matter to Juan that Goodell holds the same opinions as the players he's blaming for getting Rush booted.
  
  Goodell is being conspicuously held separate from other NFL reps whose comments mirror his solely because he's only one degree of separation from a Fox staffer.
  
  Now that I think about it, has anyone at Fox in reporting on the Rush situation ever, in the interest of full disclosure, mentioned the fact that the NFL Commissioner is married to a Fox anchor?
  
  Somehow I don't think it would escape comment if Goodell was related to anyone on air at one of the NBC networks. Just sayin'.
  
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  - by fairliberal (October 17, 2009 12:52 am ET)
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    Yes you are right, that is why I said your behavior was similar, I did not say you were employing "guilt by association"
    
    But do you really think that Goodell being married to Skinner is as significant as a individual who worked for Obama and Holder being involved in the issue. There is no evidence or reason to believe that the Skinner/Goodell link has anything to do with this. And while I have heard the mention of Skinner and Goodell on Fox I cannot say it was during the Limbaugh discussions, I don't know the answer to that.
    
    There is evidence to the involvement of Smith in the issue however. And Smith's behavior is in keeping with the bahavior of the Obama administration. I don't like Rush, he is a critic of Obama, let's keep him out. The Obama administration doesn't like Fox, they criticise him, lets get em.
    
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by juliajayne1 (October 16, 2009 10:27 pm ET)

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Juan, my dearest man, Rush did this to himself. Nobody else did it. He peddles lies, invective and racial slurs and panders to people's fears and prejudices. It is well documented.

Bottom line is that he has too much baggage. And this was a frickin' business deal. People don't care much about people's politics or feelings during business deals. They do what is in their best interest.

So Rush didn't get into the country club NFL fraternity. Big deal. He apparently isn't in the NFL's best interest. They don't wanna deal with what he brings to the table.

So he's feeling strangely paranoid and self pitying and wants someone to blame besides himself. So he and you blame "lefties", Obama...hell might as well include some dead people too for all that it matters.

And Juan it's patently pathetic to feel sorry for some rich dude who can't buy into a football franchise. Boo frickin' hoo.

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by mary59 (October 16, 2009 10:38 pm ET)
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Excellent.
O woeful, weeping Walrus, your tears are all a sham! You're greedier for shysters than children are for jam.

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- by juliajayne1 (October 16, 2009 11:38 pm ET)
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  A football team, the Walrus said is chiefly what I need. A QB and a running back are very good indeed. Too bad the other rich dudes said, the deal can't proceed.
  
  Your greed is good, don't get us wrong, but know this very thing - your tears are fake, and we must forsake your cabbage and your bling. For we just cannot asociate with a hateful talk show king.
  
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  - by mary59 (October 17, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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    Bravo!
    
    But wait a bit," the Rush-bots cried,
    "Before you refuse him flat;
    He's not completely out of breath,
    And not so very fat!
    His racist talk is fine with us"
    They thanked him much for that.
    
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    - by political_left-religious_right (October 19, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      Oh my, I do wish "Mr. Bad News" would read the offerings of you two ladies and get a clue about decent poetry!
      
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by canaanxing9025 (October 16, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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juliajayne:
Rush will only blame dead people if they live in Chicago and vote Democratic.

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by National_Insecurity (October 16, 2009 10:48 pm ET)

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Just for the entertainment value, I'd welcome el Rushbo making a play for the Raiders. My property taxes subsidize the Oakland Raiders. I detest Al Davis for his incompetence for the last decade. I can't imagine trading el Rushbo for Al Davis. But I think it would be a match made in hell.

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by 083157 (October 17, 2009 1:23 pm ET)

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i am not sure how juan williams can work for (and report for Fox "News" ) and still keep his job at NPR

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by Boxer1979 (October 17, 2009 1:53 pm ET)

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Juan Williams a dittohead?: Subbing for O'Reilly, Williams suggests Obama admin caused failure of Limbaugh NFL bid

When he is not hosting a show he plays the defender.

When he hosts a show he plays the offender!

I got something for Dumb Williams. Here it is:

[http://thehealingtouch.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/two_face_piece.jpg]

[http://thehealingtouch.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/two_face_piece.jpg]

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by Zo44 (October 17, 2009 6:11 pm ET)

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Sounds like Juan is telling the truth. Nice job in the NO SPIN ZONE!

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by SMTDL (October 18, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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Based on what? ..no facts just guilt by association drivel that Fox and Limbaugh subscribe to. THAT is nothing but spin..NFL rejects divisive racist/controversial Limabaugh and it is somehow connected to Obama..get Real..It just shows how well known Limabugh is for what people have seen and heard come out of his mouth..no need for anyone to push the league.It would be like pushing Walter Williams or Michael Steele for Pres of the NAACP and the constiuents said "HELL NO!!
What Is the evidence to support Juan Williams' conclusion!!!!Oh I know Bill O'Reilly told him what the show would cover if he really wanted to stand in!!!!..Yes Bill yes sir,sure sir..can do!!

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by donwelty (October 18, 2009 3:04 am ET)

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Wait a minute. I was working with the Department of Defense when Clinton was president. So does that mean that I recommend adultery in the Oval Office? I think juan is stretching a tenuous inference a bit.

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by pilotx (October 18, 2009 3:10 am ET)
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Yes;)

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by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (October 18, 2009 4:55 am ET)

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anybody who guest hosts the factor turns into bill oreilly... talk about selling your soul to the devil.

i always wonder how the producers for his show have the decency to work for him... seriously, how do they sleep at night knowing what a flaming fraud he is and helping his ultra-conservative cause?

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