Goldberg says that White House's message that Fox is not a real news organization "might become part of the bloodstream of the American culture"
October 20, 2009 12:26 am ET
From the October 19 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
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O'Reilly is right, though - this has been going on for years. The difference is that the White House has now made it an issue. Now, the other "news" organizations won't report on reportage, they will actually do some research and report on that. It is a journalistic technique Fox ought to employ (just for a change of pace).
Until you explain the difference, your attacks are completely specious.
There has also been tapes that identify a willingness to assist in illegal operations from sea to shining sea.
The examples are quite systemic and indicate a pattern of criminality that reaches multiple locations . Does anybody know what RICO stands for?
The stupid little stunt with the faux pimp at Acorn was done with front line employees who were subsequently fired, and the right-wing outfit that did the sting had to try multiple times because they kept being turned away at other Acorn offices before finding a low-level employee dumb enough to fall for it.
I hope that the Democratic opponents of the 30 Republican senators who voted against the Franken amendment are going to use this as a club to beat the Republicans with come election time.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020320.php
2. There is not a shred of evidence that these policies are endorsed by the leadership of ACORN (and quite a bit of evidence - firings of employees involved - that they are not).
3. Registration fraud is a minor offense and has never been shown to lead to voter fraud.
4. there have been just as many indictments of Republican politicians on various charges of corrunption. Are we to infer that the Republican Party is a corrupt organization based upon that evidence - the very same "evidence" you use to infer that ACORN is corrupt?
Where is the smoking gun? Where is the memo or letter that indicates that management encourages or condones these activities?
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The phony flier
Related: State police look into source of flier
ELECTION '08
News | Voter Guide
Presidential: McCain vs. Obama
U.S. Senate: Gilmore vs. Warner
U.S. House: Drake vs. Nye
- Forbes vs. Miller
Virginia Beach | Suffolk
By Julian Walker
The Virginian-Pilot
© October 28, 2008
FOLLOW-UP: Officials find source of fake election flier, won't press charges (Nov. 3, 2008)
RICHMOND
A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials.
In fact, Election Day, for voters of all political stripes, remains Nov. 4.
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days
While on the other hand:
Phony Fraud Charges
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In its fumbling attempts to explain the purge of United States attorneys, the Bush administration has argued that the fired prosecutors were not aggressive enough about addressing voter fraud. It is a phony argument; there is no evidence that any of them ignored real instances of voter fraud. But more than that, it is a window on what may be a major reason for some of the firings.
In partisan Republican circles, the pursuit of voter fraud is code for suppressing the votes of minorities and poor people. By resisting pressure to crack down on “fraud,” the fired United States attorneys actually appear to have been standing up for the integrity of the election system.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/opinion/16fri1.html
and this :
Fake Registrations an Unlikely Vehicle for Fraud
Numerous election experts, including Barnard College political scientist Lorraine Minnite and Justice Department veteran Gerald Hebert of the Campaign Legal Center, told ProPublica that fake registrations were an unlikely and unwieldy means of stealing an election.
Such a scheme would have to involve a substantial crew of fraudsters -- tens of thousands of people -- willing to risk the hefty prison sentences and fines if caught.
Michaelson agreed that the scenario is implausible. “We have to distinguish between voter registration fraud and voter election fraud,” he said. He said that officials “inundated at the last minute” with piles of applications can let phony registrants “slip through the cracks” and get on the voter rolls. But he could not name a type of voting fraud that would begin with the filing of false registrations.
http://www.propublica.org/article/mccain-advisor-says-voter-fraud-is-a-perception-that-plants-seeds-of-doubt
(I am not giving out legal advice. So please do not follow anything stated in this comment as a statement of law.)
Acorn has been accused of voter registration fraud - Which is the illegal filing of a voter card by an ACORN employee to recieve extra pay. That is what they have been accused of. ACORN does not have anything to do with the official voting process, and that is what FOX Snooze is over broadcasting with smears about. All voter cards got flagged before they even were sent up, so that investigation is not worth blowing out of porportion, but to Fox Snooze it is. Also who would really believe a white man wearing a fur coat in Baltimore portraying to be a PIMP! LOL! That case is laughable, plus the fake pimp and prostitute will get sued! LOL! Fairlib and Puppy are on the planet Pluto with their thoughts, so it is fun to laugh at their accusations!
Big difference.
Why were so many of our soldiers electrocuted in faulty showers while serving in Iraq? Why are gang rape victims not permitted to file suits against the employer of the gang of rapists who cover up the crimes?
When we'll we get to the bottom of the Haliburton sodium dichromate poisoning scandal and stand up for our military personnel who were poisoned by toxic chemicals and carcinogens while serving in Iraq?
When will we get to the bottom of their bribery, kick back and corruption scandal in Nigeria?
These items involved billions of dollars of taxpayers money, dozens of our troops poisoned or killed and God only knows how many women were raped.
Once again, FakeLiberal turns it's racist agenda against minor players while turning it's back on a corporation responsible for the deaths of our soldiers.
Plus Haliburton is one of the top funded contractors along with Blackwater, so do you really think they will get exposed quicker then the smears on ACORN has? It is only a matter of time for Haliburton. Thanks to Al Franken for stepping forward.
Even the videotapes they showed were planned for and created by others, and not even vetted by FoxNews before they were shown.
And they didn't find "much evidence of corruption." They found minor examples of poorly trained low level employees. Yeah, I know, Karl Rove said that ACORN was a "remarkable criminal enterprise." But that doesn't make it true.
It would be your side who sees what they want to see.
It is apparent that Obama has a more cohesive plan to attack Fox than they do in Afghanistan. Ah the priorities of a new administration, control the media.
If they ever want to make a plan for screwing up a war and getting our young men and women killed for no good reason, I am sure they will consult the GOP.
The White House wants Fox to live up to its tag line, "Fair and Balanced". Until Fox manages that, they will be marginalised by a White House that has far more important things to deal with than a bunch of tabloid "journalists" crying crocodile tears over a country they are no longer in a position to destroy.
And if your heroes had more important things to do why are they sending all their troops out to attack Fox? It seems that is one of their priorities. Perhaps their main priority. It is as coordinated an effort as acorn's efforts to criminalize the election process.
All their troops??? "Some say" you learned this fair and balanced technique by watching Fox "News".
By the way, JFK and LBJ plans in SE Asia were the opposite of each other. LBJ escalated and JFK wanted to end it and bring everyone home.
Says you. People have been critical of Fox and their shameless tactics since they came on the air. Obama's administration is just stating the obvious. Do you deny that Fox is promoting, orchestrating and coordinating the opposition? You are aware that is not journalism aren't you or are you really that blind to not see it?
This is really kind of sad. It is important for the news media to be skeptical and at times adversarial, but Fox fails by becoming openly and irrationally hostile to everything Obama says - which lends Obama's Fox remarks credibility and destroys Fox's reputation at the same time.
As wrong as it was for us to be involved in SE Asia, one can argue, that America had strategic interests there. And we were more or less invited by the government. The same cannot be said for the Iraq War which was an invasion of a sovereign nation based on falsified reports of weapons of mass destruction.
And lastly, Richard Nixon expanded the war into Cambodia, and while he was president more than ten thousand more men died there. The war lasted longer than his presidency.
It is very simple,when a person bases his selection of any individual for a job or any opportunity solely on race it is racism. Unless the job specically requires a certain race. If an employer gives a job to a white person simply for the reason he is white he is correctly branded a racist. Ballantine indicated that he voted for Obama strictly because he was black, his qualifications did not matter. He also called out other black people to "reexamine their blackness" if they didn't vote for brother Obama. He would have voted for Mike Tyson had he been the nominee. Rules and principles apply to all , not just a select few.
And in addition he showed himself to be pretty classless when he told Juan Williams to go back to the porch.
Compare Ballantine's statements with those of Limbaugh's. Limbaugh is branded a racist because he correctly states that there are some who wish that Donovan McNabb does well as a quarterback because he is black. Anyone who doesn't think that is true is naive. The NFL had long received criticism for not having enough black quarterbacks.
He is also branded a racist because he says that Colin Powell voted for Obama because Obama is black. That is an opinion that may very well be right. We don't know. But it is not racist. MMFA laid out a number of statements made by Limbaugh, they were incendiary for sure, but not racist. That is what Limbaugh does, just like Coulter, and the revolving crew over at Air America for example.
White people have the power. You understand this, right? You do know that there is still a racial imbalance in the corporate world, that black people are disproportionately poor, things of that nature, right?
This is a very important difference in the dynamics that are involved. What this does is change the potential motivation for the behavior you're talking about.
For a white person discriminating against minorities because they're minorites, how many possible reasons could there be? Pretty much just one, that they don't like minorities. Now, for black people, it quite obviously could be about gaining equality. People who wanted to see the color barrier broke in baseball didn't generally feel that way because they thought white people were inferior.
This is why I told you that you can't say "if white people did it..." You can't flip it and have the dynamics work the same way, so it doesn't logically hold water.
You claim that white people have the power, not true. In all walks of life, there are black people who also have power. We have a black president , wqe have black representation in our government in all capacities, corporate America has been actively searching for black personnel for 50 years . Merrill Lynch had a black CEO, Fannie Mae had a black CEO, Oprah is one of the most admired and influential people in this country. When you turn on the TV, there is always black representation on every network, in all functions.
And when you talk of poverty, it isn't the same as it once was. That is not to say that there are not legitimately poor still in this country. Here is an interesting article on poverty.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm
There are some black leaders in this country who speak honestly about the problems in the black community and do not blame white America for everything. Was white America at one time much more racist than now. Yes , absolutely, that is undeniable. But in today's America black people for the most part have the same opportunities to succeed as anyone else.
I simply reject your premise that it is OK to excuse racist behavior by some and condemn it on the part of others. And I don't accept your premise that behavior like Ballantine's was not racist. I do understand it, but I also recognize it for what it is. Now that we have had one black president that kind of behavior will hopefully begin to diminish, it took time for racism by whites to diminish, it will take time for racism like Ballantine's to diminish.
You said that I "continually" make excuses for racism. If you are aware that I previously made this argument, then you should be aware that I didn't say that the behavior was right. As I said, people should vote based on merits. That goes for everyone. And I absolutely agree that he shouldn't try to pressure anyone to vote for Obama based on their sense of "blackness" or whatever. If you want to say that the comments are wrong, feel free to make that argument.
However, racism is not "racial + wrong". A group of black people that bomb a whites-only country club in the name of equality would not be "racist". That would be terrorism, but not an act of racism. This is the point, that the word has a meaning. The motivation here hasn't been shown to stem from a hatred for white people as a group, there are no generalizations or slurs against white people in play, and there is nothing to say that he believes that white people are inferior. That is what "racism" means.
In order for you to challenge my premise, you have to dispute either the logic above or the definition of the word. I'm glad you're trying to pursue your point instead of taking angry little potshots at me, but you simply can not accuse me of excusing racism. I have zero tolerance for it. I argue against those accusing white people of racism if there's no fair basis for that accusation (see Ingraham's comment about Al Sharpton at the Black History Month event at the White House for an example). I've done this many times for comments aimed at Obama. Since there is more than one motivation to make irrational criticisms of him, one can't assume that an irrational criticism stems from bigotry. I do this precisely because racism is a very serious matter, and the word should not be thrown around irresponsibly the way you are doing so.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your argument. It seems as though you are saying that because someone else is racist that we should view Limbaugh relative to that individual. Is that correct?
If you think that Limbaugh is not a racist, then do you believe that the KKK was just a community organization?
Some say you're an idiot.
Some say you're a bigot
Some say what they're told. Like you.
Welcome to Rush's world of some say or some wish or some thought.
And some people let themselves get led astray by those paid trolls.
It's too bad.
Try listening to what is being said.
The Acorn story involved one office that was too stupid to realize they should report child prostitution.
Limbaugh is known all over the world, I don't know who Warren Ballantine is. Ok, I just googled him. A rather trivial person with a small following, vs Limbaugh's claimed 15-20 million. 90% of America did now know what Ballantine was until he was on Hannity's show. The world knows who Limbaugh is.
Why didn't you protest Scott Sloan's racist rants? Oh, you don't know who Scott Sloan is? He is infamous in Toledo Ohio. World famous in Toledo Ohio. Is there anyone here who has ever heard of Scott Sloan besides me?
Well, I never heard of Warren Ballantine before.
Now, excuse me while I forget him.
'Nuff said.
Then watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rD7dRjkQ0
Absolutely NO DOUBT that it's Wallace.
I hope it's covered tomorrow. I think if they get the story out enough, some experts can weigh in on it. I could very well be wrong, but I don't think I am.
This is right up Fox's alley. I mean, that seems like a pretty prestigious school. I HIGHLY doubt any parent watches Beck's program, let alone, would make an effort to be on it.
It just seems funny - Wallace gave a speech there the year before, his children had attended, suddenly this tape emerges, and then this interview with a guy that talks like Chris Wallace on helium starts talking about how appalled he is.
http://rapidshare.com/files/295381910/166674.mp3
MP3 of real wallace voice. I used some software to increase the pitch and put in a bit of echo. Not identical, but same. It's kind of eerie, really.
Listen to them. They do sound very similar. Tomorrow I'm going to try and get the voice out of that video and change it to match wallace's voice.
Remember - I'm not editing the audio - I'm simply increasing or decreasing the pitch.
I hope sometime tomorrow someone can do a better job at this than me. Someone who knows what they are doing when it comes to doing voice audio.
This could be huge!!!
He spoke there in 2008. His son is senior just grad in june 2009. Wallace was there for the ceremony.
I hope this story gets out Have some of the experts in to run some tests. I know it's him.
Ok. Ambien is kciking in bed time!!
The whole Jennings thing was a baseless smear from the get go. Everyone at Fox knew it. Their only goal was to tap into the anti-gay frequency in this country. To keep a ball in the air until something else came along.
I'm sorry, but there is nothing wrong with quoting an individual who other people may disagree with. If quoting a person, who was immoral or unethical, precludes you from serving in office, then half the population would be precluded from serving because they have cited Thomas Jefferson at one point or another. Jefferson owned slaves, and with how much we enjoy liberty in the US, that is close to being the most immoral thing you could do.
and i REALLY hope the fact that fox news is not a real news organization does get out into the bloodstream... i hope it gets shoved down everybody's throat, just like the way fox news shoves its crap down their viewers throats.
it takes one to know one, bernie. deal with it... and tell your buddy billo a little more, too. he wont believe it now.
No one is denying their right to spew hatred. They are just pointing it out.
I love the argument of "they have the right to say it" paired with the assertion that the White House doesn't have the right to say that FOX is a political operation. How the latter isn't protected speech is a mystery.
Until that happens, you got nothin'.
And stop it with the stupid freedom of the press nonsense. The press is still free from government interference. That promise of governmental hands off doesn't stop individuals and MMFA from criticizing news sources.
Sure, they have a right to say whatever they want to say, short of inciting panic in the streets. And we have the right to call them batsh1t crazy.
Here's hoping.
What goes around comes around.
So now he tells Fox's ignorant audience that the WH is trying to do what he's doing.
And I don't think you need to worry about the WH causing CNN to refuse to pick up what Fox runs. (Like the WH has some nefarious, secret power to control CNN!) Judging by CNN's own commercials, and what Rick Sanchez said about Fox, they don't need the WH to tell them to be skeptical of what you all say.
They pretty much got away with it in the 90s and early 2000s, wallowing JingoFascism after 9/11, calling it "Patriotism."
They have been exposed, and they can't find their rock... they've been out from under it for too long.
Audio edited version on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCV1KbMAW7w
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vggtNlntIo
It's Chris Wallace.
Chris Wallace never says his son was in the graduating class. His son graduated in 2008. He says his son is off doing bigger things. Which is true.
So why all the hiding? Why could Chris Wallace simply not have come out with his disdain after initially hearing the speech?
Weird.
Fox News. Full of good, honest journalists that never try and deceive viewers while pushing an agenda.
This is going to be Glenn Beck's "Balloon Boy".