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In long rant, Beck suggests that the "only right" progressives "want you to choose is the right to be able to kill a baby."

October 22, 2009 12:49 pm ET

From the October 22 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

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    • Author by Lane (October 22, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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      Wait... didn't he just say this week that progressives want to prohibit the right to choose in these matters or some such nonsense? Now we want people to choose, but choose abortion?

      Of course, it all makes sense now.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (October 22, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      Do people really listen to this man? I can hardly take a couple of minutes of him.
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    • Author by achorn316 (October 22, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      it always comes back to right wing talking points with Beck.

      He pretends to be "not a Republicans" but its always about abortion with these guys.
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      • Author by nerzog (October 22, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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        I think Beck's job is to corral the Far Right Evangelical Militia Nutbags and keep them from deserting the GOP. If he can keep them scared and angry enough, they'll show up in 2010 just to vote against the Nazi Fascist Socialist Sith Democrats, even if they think the Republicans aren't conservative enough.

        How else can you explain his presence on television? He has no talent, a dwindling sponsor base... yet they pay him $30 million a year to spew this nonsense?

        In what business model does this make any sense?

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        • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 2:24 pm ET)
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          To some, abortion isn't necessarily an "evangelical" issue. It is a human rights issue. I don't think grouping the two together and generalizing them is fair.

          If you understood business, you would understand the model this makes sense in. Beck averages over 3 million viewers at the 5 o'clock time slot (nearly 4x previous show average). He beats the other networks combined each night. The 5:00 time slot is very important. If you can secure 3 million viewers in that slot, you will secure a certain percentage for primetime programming. In turn this gives your primetime programming higher value to advertisers (more money). Beck still fills his entire advertising block. Fox News isn't going to risk losing 3 million primetime viewers because of a boycott. Those advertisers will eventually come back to his slot, and in turn will increase advertising revenues.
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          • Author by vhw28672478 (October 22, 2009 2:25 pm ET)
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            Beck is a moron
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            • Author by bintx (October 22, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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              No, he's not a moron, but he's very dangerous. He knows that what he's saying BS, but a large number of the people who are watching do not.
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          • Author by bintx (October 22, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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            If the anti-abortion people cared about "human rights" issues, then they would not have supported the unnecessary invasion of Iraq and the death penalty. Most of these folks claim to be "Christian conservatives" and they claim to be "pro-life." Neither is true.

            Me, personally, I'm anti-abortion, pro-life and pro-choice. I'm anti-abortion because of my own religious beliefs, I'm pro-life because my religion tells me that all life is sacred and I'm pro-choice because I live in a country which does not require anyone else to share my religious beliefs . . . I cannot force anyone to share my beliefs . . . it would be against my religion AND against the laws of this country.

            But, that's just me.
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            • Author by srichardson (October 22, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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              If they really cared about abortion they would have introduced legistation to make it illegal when they controlled congress.
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          • Author by noneyabidnis (October 22, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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            I'm always still working at 5:00pm. Why are so many people on the right NOT working at 5:00pm? Perhaps the right simply has too much time on their hands. Just because Fox news says there is high unemployment, that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of available jobs.

            Try spending a little more time and energy finding a job, and spend a little less time and energy completely FREAKING OUT over a President that is pretty much just as ineffective at bringing "change" as every President before him.

            Just because majority of Americans like Obama, that doesn't give him some kind of super power that's going to allow him to start a maoist or marxist revolution. Get real. Your paranoia and delusions are getting boring. Get a job.
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          • Author by noneyabidnis (October 22, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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            I'm always still working at 5:00pm. Why are so many people on the right NOT working at 5:00pm? Perhaps the right simply has too much time on their hands. Just because Fox news says there is high unemployment, that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of available jobs.

            Try spending a little more time and energy finding a job, and spend a little less time and energy completely FREAKING OUT over a President that is pretty much just as ineffective at bringing "change" as every President before him.

            Just because majority of Americans like Obama, that doesn't give him some kind of super power that's going to allow him to start a maoist or marxist revolution. Get real. Your paranoia and delusions are getting boring. Get a job.
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        • Author by bintx (October 22, 2009 3:35 pm ET)
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          But, according to an article on Politico today, the GOP is losing the people it really needs to keep it alive, the moderates and independents and Beck, Fox, Rush and their ilk are the reason.
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      • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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        What does abortion have to do with Republicans?
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        • Author by jmariemo (October 22, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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          You clearly have not been to a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs recently, because abortion has everything to do with the Republican party. If you're going to pander to the Christian base, accept that as a fact.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (October 22, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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      The Teacher's unions and ATT spent more. Labor Unions represent real working people, they are a whole lot more representative than you are Glenn. And they think its funny, but the Union operative's opinions on the market place and privatizing is a lot more accurate than his "free market" garbage. You guys have swallowed the corporate line, hook and sinker. So go ahead and laugh at the expense of the real working people. I would recommend that everyone check out the latest installment of Frontline: "The Warning" here is the link.

      http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/
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      • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
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        Many labor unions represent a poor labor economics model. In turn millions of jobs leave the U.S. every year. Economics should be viewed the same way as science.
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        • Author by vhw28672478 (October 22, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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          You are wrong We need unions
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        • Author by epkklk851 (October 22, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
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          When unions were strong, American workers made more money, when union power and membership declined, being in the 1980's, strangely enough, real wages went down, and you know what, a lot of those jobs went away! The result of the Reagan Revolution was to make selling money and debt the biggest industry in American, and the real people, the little guys got shafted. Funny thing is, a lot of them swallowed the lie of free markets will make you rich, just like you did. REAGANOMICS STINKS.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (October 22, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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          Many labor unions represent a poor labor economics model
          The evidence you supplied was so compelling that we have no choice but to be convinced by its brilliance...

          Wait, you provided no evidence at all, you just posted an ignorant statement that you pulled out of your ass.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 22, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
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      Too bad he didn't rant like that in front of all those white coats recently.
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (October 22, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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      As a progressive parent of two young children, it is a minor miracle that they were able to survive their early years.

      Deep down in my psyche there was a voice, which sounded a lot like Al Franken, constantly telling me that all good liberals must kill their babies.

      It sounded so tempting. But somehow I was able to ignore these progressive "urges" and I ended up allowing them to live.

      Unfortunately, most of my progressive friends have in fact killed their own babies. As a result, our movement will be dying a slow death in the coming generations, as there will be nobody to carry our message of anti-America this and anti-America that. Damn you Glenn Beck!
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      • Author by John Paradox (October 22, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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        Remember, Neocons all have nannys, so they don't have the 3AM feedings that "Progressives" have to get up for.
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      • Author by usp (October 22, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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        i have a lot of respect for you. i can't control that baby killing urge. heck, me and my progressive friends get together on the weekends, get all wound up drinking Chai Tea and then go on uncontrolled baby killing rampages. i know we shouldn't, but it's so much fun. too bad those 'righties' are so uptight and un fun.
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    • Author by wzwriter (October 22, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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      Not true. I want the right to be able to turn on the radio or the TV and not hear lying idiots like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, M. Rotten Levin, Michael Weiner, etc.
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      • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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        You have that right.
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        • Author by The New Pilgrims (October 22, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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          Not if Beck and Limbaugh get their way. They have long been in favor of a new law requiring liberals to listen to Fox and the EIB Network.

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    • Author by Boxer1979 (October 22, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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      This video right here lost me!

      [http://allsux.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/wtf-copy.jpg]
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    • Author by MagCynic (October 22, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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      I like how he makes many good points in this almost 4 minute rant but MMFA chooses to ignore that and run with the last 2 seconds of it.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 22, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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        Good points?

        Beck: "How much money does SEIU spend on lobbying?".

        Answer: About 1% of what the insurance lobby or the defense lobby spends.

        Beck: "If we could get all the pizza companies run by the government. It's Uncle Sams-a Pizza".

        Answer: Huh?
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      • Author by Conchobhar (October 22, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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        OK, I'll say this slowly. Check the mission statement. Any "good points" your man might be making would not fall under the rubric, conservative misinformation. Therefore, MMFA has no need to discuss them.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (October 22, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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        No, he doesn't make any good points. If there is one thing that everyone should have learned from last year's meltdown, is that corporations do not have anything but their own profit motive as a goal. The Free Market, and Deregulate everything leads to the ordinary working stiff getting even more stiffed! Alan Greenspan, the Wizard of Wall Street had to sit in front of Congress, looking like someone had just shot his best friend and kicked his dog, to explain why the unregulated market had just tanked....and it wasn't the first time that the Wall Street had to be bailed out since dear, Ol'Uncle Ronnie came into power preaching the Gospel of Greenspan and Friedman snd the dictum that Government isn't the solution, it's the problem. Check out the documentary listed in my reply. Also, you may want to check into real wages, which have been mostly flat for most of the population since 1964 (except for the tumble they took during the Reagan years!). Check here: http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)
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        • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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          Tell me this. What is wrong with profit? Where do you believe these profits go? What is the alternative to profit seeking? What percentage of U.S. workers work for small businesses? How should wages be decided?
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          • Author by vhw28672478 (October 22, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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            Not wall street wall street do not care for middle class
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 22, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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            Multiple Strawmen alert.

            Please don't argue with the strawmen questions. They aren't 'real' questions.
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            • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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              What was my strawman? The post said these companies have "only their profit motive as a goal." What am I to take from this? What is wrong with my questions? There are 'real' answers to those questions. I want to know what epkklk851's answer is.
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              • Author by vhw28672478 (October 22, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
                   
                Wages gone down in long time
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              • Author by vhw28672478 (October 22, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
                   
                wage for middle class workers gone since 1964
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              • Author by The New Pilgrims (October 22, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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                Watch out everyone. Grunt is secretly holding a FEMA trailer behind his back. He's actually a federal agent attempting to indoctrinate all of us. RUN FOR COVER!!!!
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          • Author by epkklk851 (October 22, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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            Profit isn't necessarily wrong, but when profits go to executives at the rate of 500% or more of the average worker in their business, and the tax code is written to make sure they get to keep more of those wages, then I have a problem. Real wages for 80% of the workforce have been between $250-300 since 1964, but income for the richest 1-5% have gone up a lot! Most businesses are small, and about 75% of all jobs come from them. Another thing about economics, "normal profits" are just above "break even." Our economy was raped and pillaged by some hedge funds and other Wall Street creatures who made hundreds of millions of dollars at our expense!
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            • Author by grunt (October 22, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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              Profits are the only place growth can come from. If the government gets the backing of the people to start taking more of those profits we will continue to see negative growth numbers, and 8-10% unemployment will become the norm.

              When it comes to executive wages, you have to look at them differently than the average worker. First, they aren't given a check for $200 million. They are compensated based on company performance through stock options, bonuses, and other peformance based measures. Stockholders (typically comprised of lower-level employees) typically have a say in executive compensation. I think it is important for stockholders to voice their concerns as often as possible.

              When you look at wages, it is most important to look at the value the employee brings to the company. An assembly line worker brings a measure of value to the company. However, the revenues and capital that employee brings do not measure up to what MOST (not all) bring to said company. It is important to note that a healthy business compensates its executives based on the value they bring. If we think we should dictate executive wages, be prepared to see some very unhealthy businesses.

              This is where some union employees get hit the hardest. Instead of standing out for their performance and the value they bring, they are represented by a hostile union that represents all kinds of employees and expects them to all be treated as a one-mold worker.

              Most importantly, study labor economics and see what causes higher unemployment. Out-of-control wages on both sides, executive and lower-level, hurt the employment numbers.

              You are correct. Small businesses make up over 75% of employment in this country. Calling for higher taxes will not help grow employment. These small business owner use their profits to grow and invest in new technology and new labor. Again, it is important to know that labor growth can only come from profits. Unless we expect companies to operate at a loss, profits are where job growth will come from, and essentially where our economic growth will come from.

              What the bankers did should not translate to your typical business. Please, do not apply that to how most owner's run their businesses. They were betting on bets.
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              • Author by John Paradox (October 22, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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                They are compensated based on company performance through stock options, bonuses, and other peformance based measures.

                So, being billions of dollars 'in the red' is a good thing?
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              • Author by epkklk851 (October 22, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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                Grunt, you have swallowed a whole lot of garbage and spewed it back quite eloquently. Funny, when America was the biggest industrial country in the world, the ultra rich paid up to 90% taxes, and were compensated at rates of about 35 times what the average worker. Asian and European CEO's were compensated at about those rates for a long time, recently, those rates have risen to about 125 times of the average worker, still a lot lower than the Wall Streeters who received these huge bonus packages, even when their companies were failing. Because of Reagan Era deregulation, executive salaries skyrocketed, companies used their reduced tax burden to buy each other up, stream line operations (cut employees) and dump unproductive or underproductive units and cut wages and compensation for the average worker. And no, in most companies, the average employee is NOT A STOCKHOLDER, and even stockholders often have no say in executive compensation, it is controlled by the board, a little club of buddies who hold stockholder proxies. And I just love your line about what an executive brings to the company and how if we limit their compensation we will have unproductive companies. What do you think we have right now? That chummy little boys club and their bets on bets just sent a whole load of real working people to the streets! Maybe if they had to be more careful with their profit taking, the economy would be in better shape? Maybe if we made things instead of just buying things on credit we would have a sounder economy. But if we did that, then all those fast-talking wiz kids would be out of jobs and their compensation packages wouldn't exist. Also, if you say that the top executives can only be compensated at 200 times the average worker, and you cap everyone that way, then that is what the market and those little wiz kids will have to make do with it. And if they want a $200 million bonus package, well, then they will have to make sure the employees are making a million to justify it. Lastly, in Micro Econ, normal profits are what is continuing business aims for and normal profits are just above break even. To advance and grow, the business must invest those profits wisely. Wall Street has not been wise, and neither were you if you bought the line that if you allowed these wiz kids to rack up the dough, that you would somehow get rich yourself. Maybe that is why they call them wiz kids, because they whiz on the rest of us.
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                • Author by robyn20094113 (October 23, 2009 12:44 am ET)
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                  EXCELLENT!Great job, Ep.
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                • Author by grunt (October 23, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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                  Wall Street doesn't produce anything. They aren't the companies I am talking about. What these bank execs get payed has skewed the rest of the executive compensation numbers. What will limiting their pay have to do with how they run the company? If we don't take a look at how they are running the industry and the rules that apply, it is all for not anyway.

                  Can you list the deregulation under Reagan that caused the problems we have today? Why wouldn't you dump unproductive units and employees? My point is that you have to look at ecnomics the same way you look at science.

                  In many large companies, the average employee is offered stock options as part of their compensation packages. It is healthy for the stock, and it is healthy for the company when the employees are "owners."

                  Do you honestly believe, when over 75% of the jobs come from small businesses, that overpayed CEO's is the reason for 9.5% unemployment? Give me a break!

                  I don't necessarily agree with someone earning a $200 million dollar bonus, but then again, it isn't my company so, I don't believe, it is my place. I don't believe in imposing my "moral superiority" over these companies and the executives. It isn't my place. You would think that if "liberals" actually stood for liberty anymore, they would agree.

                  I also like how you ignored my point about the value a worker brings and unions and all of that.
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      • Author by bintx (October 22, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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        I've been listening to Beck for years and I've never heard him make any good points at all.
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      • Author by soze169880 (October 22, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
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        If you like it, quit whining.
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    • Author by dadre (October 22, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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      Good points...magic put the PCP and industrial size glue down. All beck did was misrepresent the views of any sort of "liberal". Why does Beck always use "slippery slope". Does he read "Logic for dummies" to make sure he creates a fallcy?
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    • Author by jmariemo (October 22, 2009 3:09 pm ET)
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      This is more incoherent than normal. I couldn't even really follow it to make fun of it.
      Something about government cheese? Government pizza?
      Liberals do not condone the exploitation of privatization, and therefore, obviously want the government to run all business especially pizza while doing painfully stereotypical/Super Mario-esque Italian accents?
      Is that what I am suppose to gather from this rant?
      Good point, Beck.
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    • Author by manofmystique (October 22, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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      You may as well get use to me saying this because I see no end in sight: "More stupidity from hate-mongering idiots". Need I say more?
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    • Author by Ruby (October 22, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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      Beck is someone who seems, to me, to not have any kind of political philosophy at all. He's just against liberals and progressives, and violently against any position on any issue that he sees liberals as representing.

      I've heard Beck refer to himself as a libertarian, but he's definitely not. And he's not a conservative or a republican. He's just angry, really.

      My dad's a conservative. Although he really doesn't think about his political philosophies in that kind of binary way, and I don't either, but I think it's fair to say that most of his ideas fall on the more conservative side of the spectrum. He's incredibly smart, impressively well-read, and exceedingly reasonable (even though we do disagree on a lot of things). So, I really don't have anything against conservatives or republicans, but the movement is being dominated by guys like Beck and Hannity and etc. who really don't represent true conservativism at all.

      The essential Republican, conservative value is smaller government, less government interference in our lives. But when it comes to these social issues like abortion and gay marriage (which are more and more becoming the dominant issues in the party as they start catering more and more to the religious base--I mean, try being a pro-choice, pro-same sex marriage Republican. It doesn't work. Look at Meghan McCain, they attack that girl all the time for not being a "true" Republican) they are actually in favor of more government authority. They want abortion illegalized, they want a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. They want to give the government more power to dictate its citizens personal life choices. They're abandoning their most essential principle.

      And a distinction that a lot of conservatives have trouble making is that you don't have to particularly like the idea of abortion in order to realize that it shouldn't be illegal. That's how my dad feels. He isn't okay with abortion morally, but he realizes that it can't and shouldn't be illegal. People have been getting abortions for thousands and thousands of years, long before their was such a thing as an abortion clinic. Banning it wouldn't cut down on the number of abortions, it would just drastically increase the number of illegal abortions being performed in garages with rusty coat hangers or blows to the abdomen with baseball bats.

      So my point here is, conservatives and Republicans need to stop making abortion such a big issue. It's not feasible for it to be illegalized, and it just drags them further away from their real principles.
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