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False equivalency alert: CBS's Greenfield argues that MSNBC is like Fox

October 23, 2009 8:03 pm ET

From the October 23 edition of CBS Evening News:

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    • Author by jmariemo (October 23, 2009 8:13 pm ET)
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      "...because its opinions voices are so hostile to Obama..."

      That is the understatement of the century.
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      • Author by THEMASTER (October 24, 2009 8:54 am ET)
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        well if you are scared of the truth.......so be it.............
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      • Author by Sharpe (October 25, 2009 8:34 pm ET)
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        Its not even hostility at all - I dont think the WH would say anything if FOX was just hostile. Its the constant lying, distortion, misinterpretations, lineup of guests who willingly lie to the viewers and extremely charged political questions like "So why did you commit statuatory rape?" before even knowing if the premise is true. That is what most of us and I would think what the white house finds troubling. They are telling millions of people things that are either unproven or completely false and stating them as fact or news. That is not reporting. - that is propaganda to acheive a political agenda. Olberman exaggerates at times and is harshly critical but the difference is HE DOES NOT LIE. I dont think I ever recall a time in which Maddow lies. Also, she actually criticizes Obama or the admin when warranted. She isn't just supporting everything they do blindly. Olberman very frequently uses quotes to support his harsh opinions and i have never heard a complete falsehood promoted by olberman as truth. Plus, olberman is on an opinion show - FOX uses their actual news shows to promote the opinions of beck and hannity. MSNBC does not make the news either - they don't rally together protests or actively try to remove high officials just for the sake of destroying a republican. They dont call on viewers to help destroy people's careers. THOSE ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES!!!
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    • Author by vipervisor766 (October 23, 2009 8:13 pm ET)
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      And Citizen Kane is like a Porn flick.

      Both are motion pictures.
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    • Author by mk3872 (October 23, 2009 8:18 pm ET)
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      Everyone in the MSM seems to be oblivious to the fact that FNC makes stuff up about Obama & Dems, cheerleads and advocates for Tea Parties and repeats GOP talking points verbatim.
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      • Author by wax69 (October 24, 2009 10:49 am ET)
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        be specific. what have they made up about obama and the dems?
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      • Author by MickD (October 24, 2009 11:54 pm ET)
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        And instead of going after competitors, which is the American Capitalistic Way (cue music) CBS sticks up for them, by golly, because they are legitimate news.

        Something is going on behind the scenes that they hope people forget about (and Fox News can go back to to being the GOP channel) once the hand licking of each other is done.
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    • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (October 23, 2009 8:34 pm ET)
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      These clowns and corporate whores are counting on their chosen audience, I by that I mean their marks, forgetting history.

      When did MSNBC start broadcasting Keith Olbermann's special comments?

      August 30, 2006.

      What had happened by this time?

      With the aid and cheerleading of the corporate MSM, G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney had lead (and lied) us into two foreign debacles, let the city of New Orleans drown, illegally spied on Americans, made torture official U.S. policy, presided over the biggest real estate bubble ever, more than doubled the national debt, politicized the Justice Department, and lied over and over about every single thing.

      Now, President Obama, elected by a huge majority and in office for less than a year, is under assault by the same unhinged freaks who cheered those 8 years of destruction.

      It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair

      And that's all you need to know about hacks like Marcus Brauchli, Fred Hiatt, Jeff Greenfield, etc.
      ~
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      • Author by John Paradox (October 23, 2009 9:11 pm ET)
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        Your Sinclair quote reminded me of this one, saved from a recent Google 'quote of the day'

        Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it.
        - Samuel Johnson

        Explains the Neocons/their followers.
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    • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (October 23, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
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      including a fair chunk of democrats and independents


      what latest poll or survey has EVER shown fox news to have a "fair chunk" of democrats watching? independents, sure... i just saw a recent pew poll that shows a high percentage of them watching fox, as well as cnn, but democrats? please. they wouldnt be caught dead watching that crap drooling over all the tea parties and far-right fringe tactics.

      by the way, can anyone explain the rest of the media's decision to defend fox news? why are they going out of their way to take the side of a "news" organization that clearly lies about the president and cheerleads for the republican party? i have to deal with it every morning on morning joe when scarborough is shilling for them. i hope thats not his way of considering to go over to fox... hes too fair minded to side with those people.
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      • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (October 23, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
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        by the way, can anyone explain the rest of the media's decision to defend fox news?

        I'll explain until I'm blue in the face:

        The MSM, from Murdoch to GE to the WaPo, is all about the big corporate bucks.

        The notion that there's a big fight between Fox and the Washington Post is just pro-wrestling style theater.

        FOX: 1) for perpetual wars and occupation. 2) for health insurance cartel profits. 3) against the government doing anything to help most American citizens.

        Washington Post: 1) for perpetual wars and occupation. 2) for health insurance cartel profits. 3) against the government doing anything to help most American citizens.

        Any questions?
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      • Author by cougar (October 24, 2009 12:43 am ET)
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        I'll tell you why the other news organizations are coming to Fox News' defense. It's called censorship. If the President of the United States and his administration can call out and denounce a news organization/media outlet b/c it offers opinions or stories that are opposite the White House views, the potential is there for it to do the same to other news organizations for any reason. Where does it stop?
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      • Author by jmariemo (October 24, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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        I watch it for entertainment value...?
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    • Author by jmille426471 (October 23, 2009 9:31 pm ET)
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      Show me when MSNBC displayed doctored photos of people they didn't like.
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      • Author by rkcomments (October 24, 2009 10:33 am ET)
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        Correct. And show me when they organized protest marches against the president.
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    • Author by Voter4America (October 23, 2009 9:34 pm ET)
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      Mr. Greenfield is an idiot. The fact that FOX has a right-wing bias is not what makes it something other than a news organization. Bias in the press goes back to the beginning of the press in this country. What sets FOX apart is that they orchestrate and promote anti-government rallies and events, and stoke those flames around the clock.

      They are, in essence, the Timothy McVeigh Network.

      All anti-government, all the time.

      Except when there's a Republican in the White House.

      If Greenfield would pull his head out of his ass, this would be readily apparent to him.

      MSNBC's admitted liberal bias is not accompanied with promotion of MSNBC orchestrated pro-government promotional events like the Tea Parties.

      Wake up, Mr. Greenfield.
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    • Author by HotWings (October 23, 2009 11:40 pm ET)
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      MSNBC is worse than Fox News. Keith Olbermann called the Republican Party a terrorist group. Keith also called President Bush a fascist. Erin Burnett called President Bush a monkey. Ed Shultz said that Republicans want to see Americans dead and make money off their dead corpse. Chris Matthews said that he wanted Rush Limbaugh to be killed. And I could go on and on. So please don't try to tell me that MSNBC is fair and objective because it is clearly not.
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      • Author by open_mind (October 24, 2009 12:01 am ET)
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        Links would be helpful...You guys are notorious paraphrasers.
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      • Author by dmhack (October 24, 2009 2:14 am ET)
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        Seriously, HotWings, I'd lay off whatever it is you're smoking. You're clearly hallucinating.
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      • Author by fantagor (October 24, 2009 2:16 am ET)
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        Lots of smoke, but no fire. Either provide a link or take a powder, Skippy.

        Randy
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (October 24, 2009 9:27 am ET)
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          I'll help him out...

          Burnett call Bush monkey

          Chrissy fantasizing about a pellet gun to head of Rush

          Shultz and Republican dead corpse

          Olby calls Pres. Bush fascist

          Keep your heads in the sand you collective ranch of ostrich! Just do what your masters tell you to do and think.
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          • Author by nerzog (October 24, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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            Wow. Four whole examples. Compared to years upon years of daily lies from FOX? Not to mention FOX's daily practice of injecting partisan politics into its "News" reporting.

            We're not saying that FOX is the only one that is partisan. It is, however, the only one who's raison d'être is to spread partisan propaganda.

            GMAFB
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          • Author by Marker (October 24, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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            Each one of them is an honest statement, truth hurts to a repug doesn't it? Masters? After what the shrub did to the country and you clowns followed like lemmings. Keep deluded repug.
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          • Author by fantagor (October 24, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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            Chrissy fantasizing about a pellet gun to head of Rush


            Hey, genius. It's not a pellet gun. It's a CO2 pellet, as in a cartridge full of CO2, as in Rush is such a gas bag, any more and he'll explode.

            I've looked at your other examples, and must say what a shabby lot. Read closer and it's JOE who calls Bush a monkey, not Burnett who mere said the word monkey. Joe is the one who made the connection. Need I say more? And what Shultz said is TRUE. The GOP is content to see the insurance industry make $$ off your death. And Keith's special comment in which he calls Bush a fascist, how about a little context. He was talking about the FISA telecom bill, a bill to justify SPYING ON AMERICANS, which is what a fascist would do. If the shoe fits, DUCK, Mr. Bush.

            Randy
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    • Author by Harveysuperboy2181 (October 24, 2009 12:47 am ET)
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      I really don't get why everyone so shocked that
      the media is defending THE KLAN NETWORK,remember when Hannity
      keep on with the Rev.Wright thing and he keep on say the
      Main stream media is not speaking and writing about it.The
      media played the very same sound bites the Fox had used.I kept
      waiting for the media to atleast play the whole thing,they never
      did. The media loves to keep this stuff going.This is not new.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (October 24, 2009 5:43 am ET)
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      It has come down to the fact the main reason MSNBC and MMFA exist is too counter the misinformation and antics of FOX.

      The sheer volume of their nonsense requires continuous fact checking 24/7.
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (October 24, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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      I'll begin to take the "MSNBC=FOX" talking point seriously when Fox gives a three-hour morning show to a Left-Wing Ex-Democratic Congressman. Deal?
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