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Fox & Friends hosts Frank Luntz to decry Pelosi "rebranding" the public option

October 28, 2009 8:54 am ET

From the October 28 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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Fox News' Live Desk, using Luntz-approved term "govt option," claims Dems doing the rebranding

News or editorial? Fox News uses Luntz-approved term "govt option"

Fox News caption uses Luntz-approved "govt option" languageFrom

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    • Author by Conchobhar (October 28, 2009 9:00 am ET)
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      Why am I thinking about a bully with a bloody nose, bawling about being punched?
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    • Author by christopher howard (October 28, 2009 9:05 am ET)
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      Luntz complaining about "rebranding"?

      Luntz's whole raison d'etre is how to change words to convey the wanted impression for the political right.

      They even introduce him as the "Word Doctor" for God's sake, but here he helps them whine about the Dems changing frames. Schmuck.

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      • Author by bintx (October 28, 2009 9:38 am ET)
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        Luntz brought us "climate change" [global warming]; "deep sea energy exploration" [offshore oil drilling], "tax relief" [tax cuts], "death tax" [estate tax], "personalization of SS" [privatization] . . . Luntz LAUDS Orwellian double speak.
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        • Author by vysotsky (October 28, 2009 10:37 am ET)
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          You're right about the terms Luntz developed, but I'm pretty sure Luntz hasn't actually expressed support for Orwellian double speak. Luntz has said in interviews that he thinks the term "Orwellian" denotes a laudable approach to language, but I believe he's referring to the views outlined in Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" essay.
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          • Author by bintx (October 28, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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            "To be 'Orwellian' is to speak with absolute clarity, to be succinct, to explain what the event is, to talk about what triggers something happening… and to do so without any pejorative whatsoever." He uses this to support his use of Orwellian double speak.

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            • Author by vysotsky (October 28, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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              I'd love to agree with you, but I don't see the evidence. That quote is from Luntz's interview with Terry Gross on NPR's "Fresh Air" in January 2007, in which he specifically referred to Orwell's "essay on language" and argued that the word "Orwellian" need not be pejorative. What does this have to do with double speak?

              ("Double speak" isn't a specifically Orwellian term. I don't think Orwell even used that term in "1984". Are we talking about "newspeak"? "Doublethink"?)
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      • Author by The_Cat (October 28, 2009 10:04 am ET)
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        Luntz isn't just complaining about rebranding. He's ignoring the voter mandate that put Democrats in power throughout the federal government, part of which was a demand for health coverage reform. He's also citing imaginary polls when he claims support is dropping. Despite ten solid months of 24/7 anti-reform propaganda, led and directed by FOX Propaganda to include hosting and organizing rallies on the subject, they really haven't made an appreciable dent in public opinion. Why not? Because when the dust settles, most Americans know that reform is desperately needed.
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    • Author by rkallen09 (October 28, 2009 9:06 am ET)
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      That's funny, because I seem to remember several people. including Frank Luntz, on the right who wanted to "rename" the Public OIption to the "Government Option."

      Oh and look, MMfA has even provided us with examples of that in the form of links right under the video.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (October 28, 2009 9:27 am ET)
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        "Consumer Option" vs. "Government Option" Oh, goody. It's the Battle of the Brands.
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    • Author by The_Cat (October 28, 2009 10:01 am ET)
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      So, Gretchen thinks that it's okay to call it 'a government takeover of healthcare', 'cause, you know, that's what FOX Propaganda is all about. But Pelosi changing from 'public option' to 'consumer option' is clearly a sign that they're trying to save a dying plan? Well, I'm glad there's just the one standard that everyone is held to, Gretchen. By the way, Frank Luntz's job is propaganda, and the Orwellian twisting of words to suit political ends, but you already knew that, right?

      I can hear the conversation eight years ago. "We can't call it the Fascist Takeover of America through Spying on the Entire Country Plan. Just too long. I got it! We'll call it the Patriot Act! That's easier to remember, and it sounds a heckuva lot better than the truth!"

      FOX Propaganda: Hey, at least we're consistent!
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      • Author by Pinhead (October 28, 2009 10:16 am ET)
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        kinda off topic, but:

        I heard that Michele Bachmann was Carlson's Nanny at one time:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/michele-bachmann-was-gret_n_336285.html

        Why does that sound so creepy? It sounds like an idea for a horror movie: Stepford Wives meets Children of the Damned
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 28, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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      Hold on, hold on, I need calirification...

      Is this FOX News story "opinion" or "news"?

      As a public service FOX should run a continuous crawler on the bottom of the screen indicating whther what the viewer is seeing is news or opinion.

      Thank you... ;>)
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    • Author by vysotsky (October 28, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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      Oh come on, this is the network that put effort into distinguishing itself as the media outlet that tried to "rebrand" suicide bombers as homicide bombers.

      As for the substance of Luntz's comments:
      Well look, a lemon is a lemon. You can call it an orange or an apple. And I have a simple question for people out there who are watching right now, what you should call it: who created it, the public or the government?


      Luntz is, of course, not actually trying to give a reasoned answer or explanation. What he's doing is offering a model to the viewers of FNC for how to argue this point in their own lives. And of course since he isn't challenged by the interviewer, the implication to the viewer is that Luntz's rhetorical strategy is sure to silence even a critical opponent.

      In real life, anyone who tried Luntz's argument would be met with the point that all legislation is created by the government, and in a representative democracy the people elect legislators to create their legislation on their behalf. But that's not important for FNC. What's important is giving the impression that its arguments are undeniable. Glenn Beck's silly "Arguing With Idiots" book is marketed in the same way, as a toolbox of foolproof talking points that will magically protect you from that frequent feeling of shame you feel every time you lose another argument about politics.

      It's an incredibly condescending and patronizing approach that FNC, its commentators and hosts take when addressing their audience: it's an approach designed to relieve the viewer of the burden of thinking.
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    • Author by marco21 (October 28, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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      Hilarious coming from the "Homicide Bomber" network.
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