On health care reform, Scarborough and Todd agree: "This week has been a mess for the Democrats"
October 30, 2009 2:15 pm ET
From the October 30 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
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DEMS IN DISARRAY, DEMS IN DISARRAY!
As far as the MSM is concerned, no open debate or opinions different than the WH or Congressional leadership is allowed.
The press EXPECTS Republican-like automatrons like we had under Bush W.
GOP IN DISARRAY, GOP IN DISARRY!!
Guess they [MSM] think both parties are a mess.
I knew I shouldn't have posted till after the Series. Ha!
Go Yanks!!
The Dems are bickering & not getting along. You can call it debate, disagreement...or disarray. All in the eyes of the beholder.
I'm confused.
Why then do we have 2 - not 1 - consericans / repubulatives running for the 23rd district?
Looks like they're getting all tripped up in that elusive "values" junk. Possibly enough to hand the election to a Democrat.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20090928/NEWS03/309289974
No wonder Republicans are all brainless Borg-like automatons.
You should really try thinking for yourself ...
I mean things are going so smooth...no Dem is bucking your leaders. Or bickering & not getting along. Geeze. Talk about not thinking for yourself. Try looking in the mirror.
"Bucking" leadership in the Democratic party is what Dems call debate and the idea that different members of the caucaus can have different ideas.
If you find that to be equivalent to being in "disarray" and a bad thing, then you expose yourself as a classic modern-day Republican where a single national political party acts & thinks exactly the same way.
And we saw how successful that was under Bush W ...
But when Republicans do it, YOU call it disarray. Got it.
a classic modern-day Republican where a single national political party acts & thinks exactly the same way.
And Pelosi, Reed & Obama aren't twisting arms to get Dems to act in lockstep & think the same way. Got it.
Face it MK, you're a blind partisan who doesn't really get it at all.
And we saw how successful that was under Bush W ...
Meet the new boss...same as the old boss
Of course, now that we have a supposed majority...well if you weed out the blue and yellow dogs.....it would be nice to get something done.
As far as being in "disarray, that's just something the fundits (yes, not pundits, because how can you take them seriously? ;-)) like to say. Hey, the scallywags do need to take up air time! Ha!
So "disarray" is okay. I wish the Gop slops had more "disarray", as that would indicate a smidge of independent thinking. And no, Olympia Snowe voting for the worst possible bill (when in fact her vote wasn't needed to get it out of committee) doesn't count as independent thinking.
Now, where was I? Yes, debating is good. And the only reason I see anybody mentioning "disarray" in the GOP is that there are many that want to now seperate themselves from the fringe. But that'll be an uphill battle, and I don't think they have the stones to depart from the basest of "bases".
So I expect that the GOPs will be out in the cold for many years to come, as they find themselves further and further away from the mainstream.
But saying, "the GOP is coming back, united & ready to take on the Dems", is a bit of a stretch.
I know it's a bit of "rooting for the home team" - like rooting for the Yankees.
Personally, I wouldn't mind voting Republican, but there are too many Republicans pushing "moral values" agendas that are distracting them from the real issues. They're wasting too much time on nonsense. So gays marry. So what? How about HC reform?
"Moral values" is not a valid political position. It's non-value-add.
Too bad it is that the WH was only half-right: YES, the press treats everything like election-day drama.
The other half is that EVERYTHING is bad news for Dems & Obama: healthcare is almost done, GDP grew, Nobel peace prize, etc, etc.
It's all BAD for the Dems, they're DOOMED!
A higher minimum wage is a big problem right now for teenage and part-time employees. The value those employees bring does not equal the mandated wage. At least not in a down economy. Another example of good intentions bringing about bad consequences.
What a lod of bull. People keep dragging this line of crap out and recycling it all the time. (assuming you are not being sarcastic)
If an employer can't afford to pay minimum wage and still make a profit then he either doesn't know how to manage his business or is trying to float an unprofitable business. Paying less than minimum wage only exploits people (hey, teenagers and such) who don't have any other choices.
A higher minimum wage is always a big problem for the right. The economy is doing poorly; now is not the right time. The economy is doing well; we can't mess with success. When have the right ever pulled for better pay for the poor?
If someone is no more educated... no more experienced... no more skilled... brings the same value to the company... how does an increase in pay make sense? Don't use emotion. Use economic thought to argue your point. Why is the unemployment rate of teenagers at an all time high of around 56%? Employers don't see them bringing $7.55/hr worth of value/input to their job.
Your point about profit and minimum wage is rediculous. If you raise the lowest level employees pay by 10%, you have to raise all levels of pay by a similar rate. What company in this economy can afford to do that? If the goal is higher employment, a higher wage is not the solution. again, if you can explain the conomics behind it, I will concede you may be right.
People who make more money (especially low-income people) tend to spend ALL of their money just to survive day to day. And this spending on goods and services is kinda good for the economy.
Multiply a $1/hour increase in the minimum wage by the number of minimum wage workers. Let's say there are are 10 million of them. That means that there is an extra $80 million dollars entering the economy EVERY SINGLE DAY. That's $29 billion a year.
Before this theoretical increase, this $80 million a day went toward profits/dividends/off-shore bank accounts and likely is never to be recycled through the economy.
Got it now?
When Joe and Chuck say it's been a mess, count on 100% clean.
I just want to know why in hell they're on the TV and we're not? Have they ever told you anything of real import? No? Me neither. And to boot their "analysis" sucks.
Randy
Isn't this how bills move forward - one step at a time. It seems to us like a mess, but there's more going on in the background than what we see.
Doesn't or shouldn't Todd know this?
I've sensed the MSM is getting gawky on their coverage - especially after treating Fox like it's a "news" source.
I noticed Gregory remained silent. Please don't tell me he's agreeing with this crap. Interesting reaction from the guy in the upper left corner. Couldn't tell what he was reacting to. Even Buchanan looked stunned.
More O-P-I-N-I-O-N just like faux . .
My OPINION is that the democrats have had a great week, bearing in mind that LIEberman is no longer a democrat . .