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Limbaugh: "Fraudsters" at ACORN, SEIU, New Black Panthers going to try to affect elections on Tuesday

November 02, 2009 2:15 pm ET

From the November 2 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

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Previously:

Limbaugh: "Obama may ... be destroying the Democrat Party" and only ACORN "might be able to save 'em"

Conservative media raise ACORN bogeyman to baselessly cast doubt on Franken's campaign victory

Media revive pattern of reporting on alleged "voter fraud" concerns, despite lack of evidence

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (November 02, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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      Getting your excuses all lined up, Rush?
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      • Author by marco21 (November 02, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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        Yup. If the Gop loses, it's not because they were rejected for being nuts. The politics of personal responsibility? Nah.
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    • Author by scubcap647 (November 02, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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      Yeah, by telling poor people, minorities, and union employees not to forget to vote. They will also make sure they are properly registered and in the correct polling place. I guess conservative hosts (including an entire "news" network) urging people to vote for Hoffman (the conservative) is not in any way close to trying to affect an election.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (November 02, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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      When, where, how?? Give us some facts to back up your rant.
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      • Author by eddiebear2 (November 02, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703932904574511612622116146.html by absentee voter fraud. The usual modus operandi of ACORN
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        • Author by bintx (November 02, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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          You're quoting John Fund?????? Wow, reaching aren't you?

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        • Author by ScienceBuff (November 02, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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          I guess this simple fact needs to be repeated again.

          ACORN has been operating for decades all over the country. In all that time, in all of those places, not one single fraudulent vote has ever been shown to have been cast as a result of ACORN's activities. Not one. Ever.
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          • Author by kydem09 (November 02, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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            Certainly not for a lack of trying.
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            • Author by bintx (November 02, 2009 5:15 pm ET)
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              Actually, you are completely incorrect, but what's new?
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            • Author by ScienceBuff (November 02, 2009 7:04 pm ET)
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              And you haven't the tiniest shred of evidence to back up that petty little snipe. Pretty much what we expected.
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              • Author by kydem09 (November 03, 2009 7:04 am ET)
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                Plenty of evidence of fraudulent registration all over the country, something you liberals like to dismiss as the actions of a "few rogue employees."
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                • Author by ScienceBuff (November 03, 2009 8:54 am ET)
                     
                  Don't be so dense. ACORN is the victim in the voter registration fraud cases. They were paying workers to get legitimate registrations and a few of those workers cheated. ACORN flagged those registrations that they found suspicious and turned them all in according to law. However, those workers victimized ACORN, cheating them out of their pay.

                  Here is a simple fact. ACORN derived no benefit at all from those fraudulent registrations. They lost money and drew criticism for being a victim, even though they handled the situations as straight-forward and above-board as they could.

                  Please tell us how ACORN benefited from those registrations. They didn't. You have no evidence that ACORN has ever tried to produce a single fraudulent vote.
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                  • Author by kydem09 (November 03, 2009 9:06 am ET)
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                    ACORN, a victim? LMAO
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                    • Author by ScienceBuff (November 03, 2009 10:09 am ET)
                         
                      They paid money for a service that was not provided. That makes them a victim. Do you have anything of substance to add or are you covering your lack of evidence with a stupid "LMAO?"
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        • Author by epkklk851 (November 02, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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          This is an editorial, you know. It isn't necessarily as fact checked as an article and it is from a Murdoch property. Do you have actual research that documents voter fraud? And if someone stands in front of my polling place and tries to intimidate me, I'm filing an immediate complaint. No one stops me from voting.
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          • Author by kydem09 (November 02, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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            Yeah, worked real well in Philadelphia, where the guys got off with a slap on the wrist and a dismissal of the charges.
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            • Author by bintx (November 02, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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              That story was proven to be false and most likely a Fox-created story. You fail, again.
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              • Author by kydem09 (November 03, 2009 7:06 am ET)
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                It was never proven to be false, other than in the deluded minds of kool aid drinkers.
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            • Author by ScienceBuff (November 02, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
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              Their legal experts looked at the facts in the case and decided that the evidence couldn't support any kind of criminal prosecution. There was nothing there.
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              • Author by kydem09 (November 03, 2009 7:35 am ET)
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                Wrong. They already had judgments against the men when they decided to drop the charges. I should clarify and say it was a political appointee in Justice who made the decision -- a woman who is off to a stellar career of ridiculous race-based decisions. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said in a June 16 letter to Justice that the decision to drop the case caused it "great confusion," since the NBPP members were "caught on video blocking access to the polls, and physically threatening and verbally harassing voters during the Nov. 4, 2008, general election."

                "Though it had basically won the case, the [Civil Rights Division] took the unusual move of voluntarily dismissing the charges , " the letter said. "The division's public rationale would send the wrong message entirely — that attempts at voter suppression will be tolerated and will not be vigorously prosecuted so long as the groups or individuals who engage in them fail to respond to the charges leveled against them."
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                • Author by epkklk851 (November 03, 2009 8:15 am ET)
                     
                  I looked at several YouTube videos yesterday. They covered two places in Philadelphia. In both cases, the white videographer was equally confrontational in polling areas where most of the voters are Black. All of the sources for the story, come back to one reporter, Jerry Seper, working for The Washington Times, but also contributing to NewsMax. And even if ALLof his allegations are true, it was two places in Philadelphia. The President was elected by 53% of a 70% voter turnout (the average turnout is 50% in election years), those two guys in Philly, who were asked to leave, didn't have that much affect on the election across the country.
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                  • Author by kydem09 (November 03, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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                    See my response below to ScienceBuff. A black civil rights leader filed an affidavit in the case that contradicts your ridiculous suggestion that the story was made up and unsubstantiated. And what of your stupid dismissal of the actions of these men simply because it "was two places in Philadelphia" and their actions "didn't have that much affect (sic) on the election across the country." Who the f@#! cares whether it had an effect or at how many locations it occurred? Intimidation is intimidation and shouldn't be tolerated. Oh, but of course, as long as those doing the intimidating are liberals, then it's OK. Right? You idiot!
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                    • Author by epkklk851 (November 03, 2009 10:35 am ET)
                         
                      What a nice and compassionate conservative you are kydem09. You are such a perfect example of the civil and intellectual discourse I so relish in the conservative camp. Thank you for correcting my error, I was in a hurry. What does it matter that it was only two places in Philadelphia? Well, because 70 million votes were cast, in fifty states and in thousands of counties and hundreds of thousands of polling places. There have been Conservative accusations of widespread voter intimidation, two places in one city do not widespread make, at least in my book. The men, Shabazz and King, were removed from their position outside the polling place. As to the racially charged remark, did the videographer do or say something to provoke the remark? I saw some fairly hostile behavior, and in looking at the video, I did not hear the remark that was allegedly made. But it still doesn't change the facts that most of the stories in the press repeat or paraphrase the Seper article. Please list the link to the civil rights leader's affidavit please. You are correct, intimidation should not be tolerated, and perhaps these men were intimidated by the presense of the white videographer who so obviously was trying to find trouble. In the recent ACORN video, we have heavily edited and doctored tapes from a Conservative source who claims to have captured improper behavior to support child prostitution, except that there were no child prostitutes, and the one woman who admitted to murder was apparently lying. Should we be outraged by her lying? Lying it never acceptable, is it? So, the lies that were told by the white videographers, O'Keefe and Giles, are not acceptable, right?
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                    • Author by ScienceBuff (November 03, 2009 10:36 am ET)
                         
                      I agree that intimidation shouldn't be tolerated, but it does have to be proved to take legal action. The evidence in this case fell far too short of any actionable level, as the Justice Department determined. Has any body with legal expertise disagreed with that determination, or is all of the complaining just political?

                      Who was the "black civil rights leader" you're referring to?
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                • Author by ScienceBuff (November 03, 2009 8:44 am ET)
                     
                  The US Commission on Civil Rights is politicizing this case. It consists of four republicans, two conservative "independents" and two Democrats. They are fully aware of the lack of prosecutorial evidence, but don't want to give up the political talking point.

                  The video doesn't show either man actually "physically threatening" or "verbally harassing" anyone. I will agree that their approach was inappropriate and shouldn't be allowed, but it fell far short of criminal which is why they weren't prosecuted. The man with the nightstick left quickly and peacefully when told to. He had an injunction issued against him that will prevent him from doing anything similar again. The other man was a credentialed member of the local Democratic Committee and engaged in no actions that could be rationally called intimidating.

                  If there was an actual intention to intimidate, that precinct would have been an incredibly stupid place to do it. Obama received about 600 votes to McCain's 13. Before you decide that the reason for that was intimidation, WPE Bush received 8 and 24 votes in 2000 and 2004 respectively. Intimidation at that precinct would have zero electoral effect.

                  You are wrong. The USCCR was playing politics and is in no position to judge the quality of the legal case against the two men. The Justice Department acted on the evidence, not the politics.
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                  • Author by kydem09 (November 03, 2009 9:04 am ET)
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                    You ignore the fact that the government got judgments against these men prior to dropping the charges. You also ignore the fact that a black (yes I said black) civil rights leader filed an affidavit in the case that he observed two men wearing Black Panther uniforms, one of whom possessed a nightstick, positioned in front of the entrance to the polling place. The man with the weapon pointed it at individuals and slapped it in his hand. The men were positioned in a location that forced every voter to pass in close proximity to them and the weapon was openly displayed and brandished in plain sight of voters. One of the men made the following statement directed toward white poll observers: "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker."

                    Sure sounds like intimidation to me. Again, this account comes from a black man. But I guess he's just a tool of the Republican party, right?
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                    • Author by ScienceBuff (November 03, 2009 10:33 am ET)
                         
                      The only person I've heard assert that the "cracker" comment was made was Bartle Bull. Only conservatives describe him as a "civil rights activist" and he isn't black. He did, however, support McCain in the election and called Obama a Marxist. Is that the guy you're building your case on?

                      There has to be evidence of intimidation. That's what was lacking. The Justice Department didn't have evidence of individuals who were prevented or discouraged from voting by those men. The judgments issued against them were the result of them not responding to the lawsuit against them. It was a simple pro forma action by the court had zero relevance to any kind of evidence.

                      I agree that the guy with the nightstick shouldn't have been there, even for the few minutes he was, but my point stands. There was nothing on which a criminal conviction could have been produced. Your wishing it was otherwise will never make it so.
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    • Author by manofmystique (November 02, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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      This idiot suggest Acorn somehow cheated so Obama could win the 2008 Presidential election, even though there is no evidence of any voter fraud.
      Question: When you allow a man to get away with lies and deception what do you think he is going to do in the future? Answer: Come up with greater [b]lies. He is certainly not going to change his lying ways. Only a white man can get away with openly lying nationally. Anyone else would be challenged and ridiculed and exposed as a liar (not Beck, Rush, Hannity and the likes).
      Now this out of control monster (Rush) will say anything, and that's exactly what is going on here. Rush is not responsible or held accountable for the stupidity and hate he espouses; and he is angry everyday Obama, a black man, sits in the Oval Office. Is it any secret why Rush is angry?
      Republicans are loving this guy because he is saying all the things they want to say, but are afraid too. Rush Limbaugh represent the Real Republican Party. You notice none of them denounced Rush, even though he is hurting the Party. What does that tell you? It tells me Rush does speak for the Republican Party, and the Party is so blinded by hate for Obama they can't even acknowledge the fact that Rush IS hurting them.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 02, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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      Projecting and fearmongering. Rush never gives up.
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    • Author by Jason JaytheMan (November 02, 2009 10:55 pm ET)
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      SEIU sure is politically everywhere. That is scary that I hear more about the SEIU on normal news than the governor of my state. Who has more power?
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      • Author by epkklk851 (November 03, 2009 11:01 am ET)
           
        SEIU is the largest union in the country. It represents 400,000 workers, mostly janitorial, clerical, and other support staff. It did spend a lot of money supporting Democratic candidates across the country. Why is it making the news? If you are watching a Fox affiliate, that could explain it. I watch PBS and hardly ever hear about unions, although they did do a story on the AFLO-CIO President, Trumpka. He is passionate about worker rights, improved pay, and better working conditions....all of which have been better when unions were a larger part of the workforce. He would like to see a return to the days of greater union involvement.....and so would I.
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    • Author by slowtyper (November 03, 2009 1:21 am ET)
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      well let's see..election tomorrow..rush brings out the boilerplate voter fraud dog and pony show..who woulda thunk it..??
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