Ignoring Fox's own fearmongering, Fox's Dr. Marc Siegel attacks gov't, fearmongers for vaccine shortages
November 04, 2009 10:51 am ET
From the November 4 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:
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WOW! That people would rather pay big $$ for snake oil over a FREE vaccine just shows you the depth of ignorance, fear and stupidity Americans have.
And Republicans know how to take advantage of this ignorance, fear and stupidity! This shunning of science and knowledge reminds me of something else that happened in history. Just what was it?
Here are some hints. See if you can recognize where this is from:
"[The movement] was slipping in an inegalitarian direction and he would not stand by while a new elite took over the party and subverted the revolution"
"lead to a privileged class developing – engineers, scientists, factory managers etc. ... these people were acquiring too much power"
"Hidden enemies in the party and intellectual circles had to be identified and removed."
"ultimately create a new society where there was no gap between urban and rural, laborers and intellectuals"
These are the factors that drove the cultural revolution under Mao. Dare we say that there are parallels here to pandering to the uneducated, ignorant and fearful populace?
http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/graph/9wenge.htm
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cultural_revolution.htm
After you change out of your dripping clothes, come back and explain, constitutionally, how Obama can be removed from office.
We've crossed paths before. So, your responses are no surprise.
Republicans pander to the ignorant, stupid and liars. I guess I should also include the Conservatives now that they're splitting the party into two parts - dumb and dumber.
The "moral values" platform is just another "cultural revolution".
So, believe what you want. Reality still happens whether you believe or not. It doesn't matter who's in office.
We've crossed paths before. So, your responses are no surprise.
Be careful where you step. Someone should clean up after their 'puppy'
That's why I find their "logic" doesn't pass the "smell test".
What a bunch of HS.......
Were you angry enough back in April when the house voted down funding for pandemic flu preparedness?
On top of that, it wasn't because they had X number of dollars, and so they got fewer doses of the single doses than they would have if they had ordered the multiple dose vials. It's because we don't make much vaccine here in the US, and so the offshore suppliers gave their firt batches to their own countrymen. It's not the fault of the President who has been in office for 9 months that we don't have vaccine production here in the USA - that would be Bush's fault.
And then the 'late ordering' you allege? Didn't happen.
The production of single dose syringes/inhalers is both more time consuming and expensive. The "slowing" of doses had nothing to do with my original claim and is frankly irrelevant as is the need for enough individuals to be ready as in a pandemic....everybody is ready.
Walgreens has it....they didn't wait. Government fumble.
Welcome to government run healthcare.
"H1N1 cases where turning up in the US is late March early Arpil, The government ordered 160 million doses at the end of July. What was the government waiting for those 3-4 months??? I would call that ordering too late."
Anyone here really know how vaccines are made? You think they are manufactured on an assembly line like cars?
Man, everyone loves to turn this into a political win for their side so much, they're missing the facts - or just plain ignoring them.
You'd rather spend more time putting the other side down, when a little googling turns up the facts.
The best possible antigen must be derived from a seed virus as close to the outbreak as possible, to ensure you have the correct mutation. These little buggers mutate yearly, perhaps even several times a year. Then the antigen must be grown, and that takes time. More steps are needed, but you should be able to follow the posts below to get an idea of how this works.
Links that explain the time line a bit clearer for some of you who don't understand the facts, but really want to know them:
http://blog.pharmtech.com/2009/05/26/continued-steps-toward-h1n1-vaccine/
http://www.ars.usda.gov/2009h1n1/
http://www.vaccineplace.com/docs/H1N1productionprocess.pdf
The real reason there's a shortage. And no, the Dems are not stockpiling it for themselves.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114156775
See my response to gs-425.
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The shortage of swine-flu vaccine results not from drug- company greed or outsize demand but almost entirely from the government's decision to pander to unfounded and unscientific fear.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_you_can_get_swine_flu_vaccine_GTHq2q7i8HeBQzyG4tQYLJ
beck say vaccine bad - "IT BAAAD! VACCINE BAAAD!"
beck say vaccine good - "IT GOOOOD! VACCINE GOOOOD!"
Hmm. I know there must be a connection here, I guess I'm just not seeing it. Maybe I should get beckinstien to invent me up a conspiracy.
Hmmmm. Sorta like how FoxNews gets too much credibility.
And it's the Bush Administration who allowed those kinds of false fears to prosper and spread, not Obama.
It is not the fault of the Obama Administration. That's been the charge.
But on top of that, where did someone "blame" the drug companies? I see where someone said that it wasn't Obama's fault. That doesn't mean that it's the drug companies fault.
Not sure where you were going with your post, but the article continues to discuss the fear of thimerasol's debunked link to autism. And I agree, that link is bogus.
This dosing conspiracy (that's what it sounds like) is a difficult argument to accept, considering the real problem is vaccine yields. Low yields mean low numbers of vaccine available - no matter how you package it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114156775
And, if this was something Obama's people, or Hillary caused, you'd think other countries would not have this same problem.
It's a production problem. It's not a political one - except the CDC probably painted a rosier picture on availability earlier this year.
Looks like now there is going to be vaccine production in the USA again - a ruling allowing it was passed earlier this year.
It was the Bush Administration that fought reasonable science throughout their 8 years.
If Obama eventually falls down on the job, then yeah, he should be criticized. He hasn't yet done that. Bush clearly did.
The real problem is vaccine yields. Low yields mean low numbers of vaccine available.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114156775
And, if this was something Obama's people or Hillary caused, you'd think other countries would not have this same problem, but they do.
It's a production problem. It's not a political one - except the CDC probably painted a rosier picture on availability earlier this year.
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In closing, Bush did a good enough job re-directing our military resources away from Afghanistan and to Iraq for bogus reasons. More lives have been lost in Iraq, than have yet died of H1N1.
What does fearmongering or spreading fear have to do with an administration failing? I dont get that connection at all. First, he says they are fear-mongering and over-reacting (somehow that lead to a shortage) and then, we need this vaccine. FOX is actually the one spreading the fear of vaccines not the US government. Beck was talking about it killing people that no one knows if its killing people. The radical right has spread smears and conspiracies that the vaccine is the way the government is killing people as well. The FDA is just making sure it is safe like we do with every drug that comes into this country in the present. I think the FDA is of great importance/