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Eric Burns on The Newshour: Conservative media "regularly peddling conspiracy theories, lies, smear campaigns"

November 04, 2009 8:01 pm ET

From the November 4 edition of PBS' The Newshour:

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    • Author by pointofview (November 04, 2009 8:11 pm ET)
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      Translation, people are not getting the type of propaganda that Eric Burns approves of. He has nothing to say about the crap and lies told on Air America, and he is only offended by what the Conservative talk radio hosts have to say. Burns is living proof that what Dobs said in this piece was true. MMFA and its liberal counterparts want total control to decide what is news, and whose voices should be heard.
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      • Author by John Paradox (November 04, 2009 8:15 pm ET)
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        Of course MMFA wants to control the media, after all, they have under 'REPORT ABUSE' the selections:
        illegal content
        obscene content
        duplicate
        troll
        off-topic
        spam

        However, can't say I've seen them used............

        Just sayin'
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      • Author by Oklad (November 04, 2009 8:16 pm ET)
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        Of course you know what projection means so I won't explain it to you.
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      • Author by The_Cat (November 04, 2009 8:31 pm ET)
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        So, pointofview, rather than simply admit that hey, maybe Glenn Beck for instance does in fact peddle conspiracy theories (FEMA camps), lies (Van Jones the convicted felon), and smear campaigns (comparing health reform to 9-11), you chose to try to 'interpret' what he actually meant?

        This won't make his points any less valid, or yours any more valid, so I' failing to see why you'd do this, aside from deflection. Did Mr. Burns say that he wanted total control to decide what is news? I didn't hear that. Has MMfA claimed anywhere that they would like such control? Just because MMfA choses to debunk the misinformation the conservative mainstream media almost constantly indulges in does not equate to a desire for control.
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 04, 2009 9:20 pm ET)
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          Deflection? Why would a troll post the very first post to try to derail a thread?

          You can NOT be serious - channeling John McEnroe here.
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      • Author by Laxplyr43 (November 04, 2009 8:37 pm ET)
           
        While I'm against distorting the truth and I'm sure some of it happens here, I don't beleive that there is more distortion here than the "opinion" side of Fox News and your last statement is excatly what O'Reilly and Beck preach everyday. I just don't understand that by telling their viewers/listeners that today's America is like Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany is not a scare tactic. Liberal's may blast coservative talk radio but how much of an audience do liberals have? The media powerhouse of Fox or even Rush is much stronger than any liberal source of news.
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      • Author by Boxer1979 (November 04, 2009 8:42 pm ET)
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        He has nothing to say about the crap and lies told on Air America

        Any proof?
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      • Author by terrapin53 (November 04, 2009 9:08 pm ET)
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        hey pointofview...first off read the about us page. It is up to MRC to monitor Air America. I personally never heard Air America BS then get reported within the MSM. Just admit that beck is full of crap and he gets called out on it.
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 04, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
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        Actually, you're totally off base, POV.

        The reason to call out FoxNews and other conservative media sources isn't to shut them down. It's to make them lose credibility that they aren't entitled to, based upon their disregard for facts, their disrespect for the truth, and their disgust with exposing their viewers/listeners to the whole story.

        There's no evidence, none whatsoever, to the false talking point we often see here that says that MMFA and posters here are trying to shut done debate and muffle opposition voices.

        Our country deserves to have fair debates on the issues, and not be distracted by talking points and other nonsense that gets more respect than is reasonable given the lack of factual content. That nonsense is toxic and poisons our airwaves. It should be treated as poison and the people who spread it around should be tagged with dispensing poison.
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        • Author by hughjass7955 (November 04, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
             
          Gee, then you must have thought it was a good thing when Dan Rather got fired for the faked documents on 60 Minutes that the libtard media made up about GW Bush....

          I don't recall the senior news editor at Fox getting caught red-handed reporting on documents that they knew were false simply b/c they went along w/ their political point of view....

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          • Author by bintx (November 05, 2009 10:18 am ET)
               
            Actually, while Rather may have had "faked documents," the story was true. The same week that Rather's story ran, the real TANG documents were releases pursuant to an order issued by the judge in the AP's FOIA lawsuit. Those REAL documents confirmed that Bush never completed his obligation to TANG and was, essentially, AWOL for a year. Kind of a coincidence, don't you think, that Rather got those "faked documents" just prior to the release of the real documents which most Americans ignored because of the sensationalism behind the Rather story.

            Should Rather have been fired? Probably . . . he should have waited for the real documents to be released.

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          • Author by SLRTX (November 05, 2009 11:18 am ET)
               
            hughjass7955 --

            You won't get an "ah-ha" from my response. Sorry to disappoint you.

            Actually, I thought that was probably the correct move by CBS. If Rather ran with an unconfirmed story, and passed if off as fact, then firing him may have been the only option for them.

            ANY media outlet, or person who willfully lies and distorts should be fired. I don't care who it's from. Actually, if I caught MMFA willfully distorting or lying about something, I'd drop them too. (Note: Willful distortions and lies are different from honest mistakes. I'm OK with an apology for honest mistakes.)

            Any firings at Fox lately?

            Garrett should be fired for willfully twisting the facts about who said "list" first.

            http://mediamatters.org/research/200908150006
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          • Author by blueline99 (November 05, 2009 11:47 am ET)
               
            The problem is that Fox News hides behind the notion that Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, et all.. are not news shows but opinion shows.

            So when they blatantly lie or misrepresent facts, it's not news they are reporting, it's opinions.

            Dan Rather was fired becuase he was a journalist and he was the face of CBS News and CBS felt like that if they would lose all credibility as a news organization if they didn't fire Dan Rather.

            Fox lies and misrepresents and never retracts or corrects their mistakes... probably because that would be a show in itself.

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      • Author by teabaggers ♥ [wing]NUTS (November 04, 2009 11:34 pm ET)
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        what dont you understand about "peddling conspiracy theories, lies, smear campaigns"? didnt you complain about "the crap and lies told on Air America"? nice hypocrisy.

        now i see how fox news viewers and limbaugh listeners think. it doesnt matter how much the anchors lie, distort or peddle propaganda, just as long as they have the freedom to do it. thank god for that "free market", huh? just say whatever you want and pretend its real "news".
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      • Author by bintx (November 05, 2009 10:12 am ET)
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        Okay . . . our comments on this site are opinions regarding the "crap and lies" which are spewed DAILY by hate talk radio and other "conservative" news sources. That's the mission statement of this site.

        A question for you, though . . . how is posting the actual words and actions of folks like Dobbs, Rush, Beck, et al, "total control to decide what is news"? They simply post what these IDIOTS [not conservatives, by the way] have SAID. Where's the control?

        Logic is a terrible thing to waste.
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      • Author by SLRTX (November 05, 2009 11:07 am ET)
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        pointofview --

        Maintain perspective for a moment, then you can believe what you want. Media "leanings" (left or right) is not the same as media lies and distortions.

        MMFA exposes LIES and DISTORTIONS that can be independently verified as such. Are you with me so far? I want to make sure you don't drift away like Homer Simpson.

        So, if you or your kind can demonstrate how the "left-wing" media outlets, or the MSM lies and distorts (need independent verification of this), then PLEASE POST THE LINKS.

        Otherwise, quit bellyaching about what you read here. If you don't like this site. Stop coming to this site.

        Now you can go back to believing what you want.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 04, 2009 8:51 pm ET)
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      Whether you are on the right or on the left. The truth needs to told. It appears that it is more right-wing lies then left-wing lies. We on the left will call our fellow left-winger out. The right-wing on the other hand rarely or never does that. All the right-wing does (and it is alot) is agree with each other and that is why Media Matters calls them out as does other left-wing websites.

      Whether your conservative, liberal, libertarian, or progressive. The truth needs to told and not lies.
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      • Author by hughjass7955 (November 04, 2009 9:59 pm ET)
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        Why can't Media Matters at least be funny about it? MRC has "News Busted" which is hilarious and has the totally hot Jodi Miller as the comedic anchor..
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      • Author by Oklad (November 04, 2009 10:01 pm ET)
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        "Whether your conservative, liberal, libertarian, or progressive. The truth needs to told and not lies."

        I'm a Canadian and as such I find myself tied to the U.S.A., me being a member of your biggest trading partner. That coupled with being a "politics junkie" take a great interest in the lies of the RW section of your country as it inevitably affects me and mine.

        "The truth needs to told and not lies."

        Not just for citizens of the U.S.A. but for citizens of the world.

        As long as you continue to be the world's largest economy and the world's most powerful military force then you must accept the responsibility that comes with it.

        Right now I am not seeing that coming from the "Right" side of your politicians.

        Please stop the money above all mentality that is plunging the world into a tail spin.

        Some of us care about our fellow man and worry if they can eat today or get medical help when sick.

        Some of us would like to see equal rights for all regardless of gender, sexual orientation, belief in a deity. We would like to share knowledge through education and make sure a thirsty man has water to drink.

        The party of NO and 'eff you' that I'm seeing in the States goes against eveything I learned in sixty four years on this planet.

        My time is drawing to a close but I became Grandfather for the first time on Oct 31st. and it is for my daughter's child that I weep when I watch the RW power hungry, money grubbing bastards lie, cheat and exploit the "average working stiff."

        Cheers.
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    • Author by SLRTX (November 04, 2009 10:37 pm ET)
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      As I pointed out in another post, people don't know how to tell the difference between a way a media outlet "leans", and lies. They've come to expect information to be handed to them by the outlet of choice - one that makes them feel more comfortable with their pre-conceived notions.

      You know you are more open-minded and honest, when at times, you feel uncomfortable with a new idea. Or you learn something that you never knew before.

      Facts precede conclusions, not the other way around.
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