Carlson on Ft. Hood shooting: "Could it be that our own military is so politically correct right now...to be careful about treatment of Muslims that they would have allowed this to go by?"
November 06, 2009 6:12 am ET
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In 2006 there were 2900 reported cases almost a third were reported under an old system that did not notify commanders and or local law enforcement. That system has changed three times over the last three years so you can see they are trying to get it right. I would not classify that as trivial. Fourteen hundred of those cases were not prosecuted because they could not substantiate the case or lacked evidence.
How many hundred of thousands of armed service personnel are there compared to the amount of reported cases? Compare that to any major city, we'll say New York city and see that over a ten year period NYC had over 3000 reported cases of forcible rape. That's not even counting sodomy laws, indecent liberties, and other offenses the military counts in their definition of rape. It only dropped below 3k for one year over that ten year period.
I'm thinking, The Army unfortunately.
Just shameful with how you guys and FoxNews spin your wrong-doings to protect yourselves. Just shameful.
What a moron.
Percent; Army Attributes Increase to New
Reporting Programs, Not More Crime
The military just started tracking these crimes. It remains to be seen whether they are really serious about addressing it.
Of for that matter, that he was a Virginia Tech Grad!
Michael Vick, Seung-Hui Cho, Nidal Hassan... By Cheney's logic maybe we should just close down my alma matta, solve ALL the world's problems.
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One of the news shows had a guy on last night who purported to be a retired Army Ltc who served with Hasan. He claimed that there were signs Hasan was supportive of the Arkansas recruiting shooting and made statements that muslims should rise up against Americans.
If this is true then that should have been looked into under UCMJ codes of SAEDA. I would say a case could be made that due to PC attitudes, he slid through the cracks and people gave him a pass if the flags were there.
I'm basing this off what the news was reporting last night, so buyer beware.
That's how "PC" we are around here.
I was in combat arms for half my Army career so I know what you're saying. I also was MI for the last half and it was a VERY PC unit as far as the command went, although there were still un-PC views about in the rank and file.
I wasn't trying to sharp shoot you at all, as I remember you had said you worked in some capacity for the DOD.
They're the ones who want to go back to a 1950s-style Leave It to Beaver and Father Knows Best type of America that never existed.
It's really that simple to me.
I hear things at work that would probably offend some, which is why I labeled it "not PC". Does it offend me? No, not personally.
Sorry, I don't think so.
Refraining from saying something that you think might offend someone else is sort of like when your boyfriend/girlfriend cooks you a not-so-tasty meal but you pretend to enjoy it anyway.
I agree with "Mags," I believe. To me "PC" is essentially common courtesy. It is good to be inclusive. It is good to be respectful. It is also still possible to disagree with someone without being obnoxious.
It isn't nice when people say things that offend us, but if we care about freedom we must defend their right to say them,regardless of how badly the words hurt our feelings. Voltaire said it and so did our mothers. They were right.
Political Correctness demands unequal treatment for groups based on race, religion, ethnicity etc. It is undemocratic and destructive.
Had the Fort Hood killer shouted "Jesus is Great" during the massacre, the headlines would have shouted about the Christian terrorist. This killer shouted "Allaha Akbar",the cry of the 9/11 terrorists, but anyone who describes him as a Muslim or a terrorist when he is obviously both, is abused by PC people who think that national security depends on being nice to people who hate us. We need to wake up, and quickly.
Beyond that, you are violating the only thing we agree on, with the rest of your post.
As to your and Dick2012's claims, there's THIS from msn.com:
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., started having second thoughts about his military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.
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So PC my left...
The military isn't the faculty at your beloved VT. There are laws designed for just such a scenario as I described above. I suggest you familiarize yourself with SAEDA and how it applies to a United States Army Officer.
1. Those that dislike blacks being in the military.
2. Those that dislike gays being in the military.
3. Those that dislike women being in the military.
4. Those that don't agree war but are willing to serve in other capacities.
5. Those that disagree with the Commander-in-Chief.
6. Those that dislike those that dislike women/blacks/gays/muslims/non-American immigrants being permitted into the military.
And what do we have left???
The right will use this as an anti-everything moment to shill their dislike about everything.
Maybe it is just a murder..like McVeigh committed. (But let us not mention he was an American who was Christian. Sounds to much like a rightwinger)
We should wait for all the FACTS.
As usual, you guessed wrong.
Show me where/when Obama apologized for being an American?
He "apologized" for the actions of the Bush regime. And that was a good thing. Ask anyone from another country.
Maybe they will vote for us to stay on the island as well, I mean really this is a popularity contest correct?
Sure the 10% of the unemployed are real happy with this guy running all over the world saying sorry, or begging for games, playing more golf in 9 months then Bush played the whole time or even just looking cool. Really, this President really spends a lot of time out of the office and more time globe hopping. Sure the soldiers in Afghan really love how long he ponders a problem. Sure they love the Hope and Change.
Maybe they will vote for us to stay on the island as well, I mean really this is a popularity contest correct?
Sure the 10% of the unemployed are real happy with this guy running all over the world saying sorry, or begging for games, playing more golf in 9 months then Bush played the whole time or even just looking cool. Really, this President really spends a lot of time out of the office and more time globe hopping. Sure the soldiers in Afghan really love how long he ponders a problem. Sure they love the Hope and Change.
Maybe they will vote for us to stay on the island as well, I mean really this is a popularity contest correct?
Sure the 10% of the unemployed are real happy with this guy running all over the world saying sorry, or begging for games, playing more golf in 9 months then Bush played the whole time or even just looking cool. Really, this President really spends a lot of time out of the office and more time globe hopping. Sure the soldiers in Afghan really love how long he ponders a problem. Sure they love the Hope and Change.
My pet goat meet shout out Barry...
President George Bush sparked a political firestorm yesterday after making what many judged a tasteless and ill-judged joke about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Mr Bush made the joke at a black-tie event for radio and television journalists in Washington on Wednesday night.
He narrated a slide show, described as the White House election year album, making hay of the administration's reputation for secrecy and strained relations with European allies. But it was the joke about the war in Iraq that drew attacks.
A slide showed Mr Bush in the Oval office, leaning to look under a piece of furniture. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere," he told the audience, drawing applause.
Another slide showed him peering into another part of the office, "Nope, no weapons over there," he said, laughing. "Maybe under here," he said, as a third slide was shown.
He was laughing about WMDs that couldn't be found that he spent American lives searching for.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/26/usa.iraq
I'm sorry, but Obama giving a "shout-out" in an unrelated part of a press conference is not nearly as bad as joking and mocking the reason you started a war and a reason that 1000s of troops died. Give me a break.
Unless you went absolutely nuts on Bush's "joke" you have no credibility here.
Are we headed for a call from the right that Muslim Americans not be allowed to serve in the military?
Let's ask some of the older Japanese-Americans.
. . . this by the one who's namesake got five deferments from the "politically correct" military.
CheneySentencedIn2012, why do you hate the troops?
And you know, if these "resal Americans" who "Love" their country, their white christian country of course, controlled America then I bet you, America would be the most hated, shunned country on Earth. Those comments were horrible....check them out folks
I have read that gang graffiti has been seen in Iraq. White supremacist and yes the mentally ill might also be among the ranks. This has more to do with the military reflecting the conditions of our society than some kind of lefty PC affirmative action. Yet the conservpundits will bend the discussion to frame this as some kind of attack on our values. Somehow, in the mind of Hannity, Rush, and Beck, this must be the result of a plan to force islam down the throats of our military. Of course, their own political correct knee jerk response to anything is that if it is bad, it is liberal.
Ironically, Bush's military adventures in the muslim and arab world actually gives the military a powerful need for Arabic speakers and military personnel who have that background. Counter insurgency has created the need for partnerships with Iraqi and Afganistani military and police. That is not liberal affirmative action but a real need arising from the desire to be involved in this part of the world.
In reference to McVeigh, he was not a Christian, he was quoted in the Guardian while in prison to say "Science is my Religion" and Agnostic, so good try.
Adding this nonsense to your second paragraph are we to assume that McVeigh had to be Muslim - AND agnostic?
Please consider pausing a little longer before hitting the "save" button.
Spanish Inquisition, maybe?
Or what about right here at home, in Massachusetts, when those God-fearing Christians burned teenaged girls alive?
The difference, for the most part between Christians in this country and Muslims in other countries is this: in America, our Christian fundamentalists live in nice houses and drive nice cars, have food to eat and clean water to drink. They get and education, they watch television, they read newspapers. In Islamic countries, the religious fundamentalists have a much different situation, and they are conditioned from birth to hate. The know nothing else.
Just imagine, if you had not had the good fortune to be born where you were, that could have been your life. You were lucky enough to be born in a country where you have freedom and where you are not (hopefully) brainwashed from infancy to hate.
Wow you really think little about our fellow humans in the Middle East; I guess you think they are so dumb they can never prosper to greatness.
The core to your argument is the one that you on the left forget and that is "freedom". Thanks to our great country being founded on Freedom, we are not like other countries; we have the right to better ourselves. We as country have been around much less time then those in the Middle East and we not only caught up with them as a country but also surpassed them to become the greatest country on the Planet. Which tells me no, not lucky enough, but proud enough to know many men and women before me died so I could have that freedom. Freedom of religion, freedom to speak the truth and the freedom to know that currently we have individuals that do not believe the founding fathers were right. “Some” Muslims still believe that dying for their religion is glories, but this was a educated man that cried out to his God as he killed innocent men and women. FYI, he was born in this country or as you put it Lucky to be born here, yet still killed innocent people for his beliefs. I do not see Christians running around killing in the name of Christ in modern times.
And as far as your last paragraph, that's all kind of my point. You (and I, and all the rest of us) were incredibly lucky to be born in America, and to have always known freedom. We have no control over where we're born, and we were blessed to be born American.
Others are less fortunate. They never know true freedom. They are trained and conditioned from birth to hate. Children here, even if they are raised in a religious household, are exposed to other ideas. They go to school, they have friends of different religions, they watch TV or read magazines. Again, others born into another place are not so lucky. They are fed, from childhood, a distorted version of history and reality that supports the message of hate. They never know anything different.
You were lucky to be born an American. You could have been born somewhere else, into a different culture and into different circumstances. And you most certainly would not have become the same person.
Hey, Mr BFoot, your bigotry is showing. Good try? You don't even rate that.
Bigotry - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
MArk, loves the words SEEMS..
Isn't that the Republicans definition of FACTS.
McVeigh was raised a Catholic . . . just because, in prison, he stated that science was his religion doesn't mean that he wasn't Christian.
*terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)
Bi, one must accept Christ as their savior to be a Christian; you are not born into Christianity. You may attend a church but does not make you a Christian. In your thinking if a straight guy walks into a Gay bar, that now make him Gay.
Eric Robert Rudolph and the Army of God--attacked abortion clinics, a gay and lesbian night club and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. Rudolph was a former explosives expert for the Army.
Theodore Kaczynski (sp?), better known as the unabomber.
Jim Adkisson, who opened fire in a Unitarian church in an attempt to, quote, "kill liberals"
Of course we all know James von Brunn and Scott Roeder (see "anti-abortion violence" on wikipedia for more similar examples)
Will that suffice?
Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholics and often attended daily Mass. In a recorded interview with Time magazine[14] McVeigh professed his belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic.[15] McVeigh at one time said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[16]
Members of the IRA may beg to differ.
McVeigh WAS, however, a white male . . . perhaps it's time for closer screening of THAT group -- I mean, is the military so PC as to allow them in without closer scrutiny??
You are right the IRA was a bunch of white, hokey, crackers who hated those that killed babies. Well, you sure got me there, wow, I will run home and slap myself for thinking Muslims were the only ones killing in the name of religion. I am so glad I have a bunch of lefties to help me out today.
Most of the females, as well as the males, take a cynical approach to everything they "report". When it comes to opinion logic and common sense does not factor in.
Carlson is more concerned about "political correct[ness]" than the reasons that lead this man to go over the edge. I guess Carlson feels it is alright to antagonize and insult muslims or people of different faith, as long as they are in the United States Armey. Otherwise, why bring up the issue.
Well, this deranged maniac just shot up a bunch of well trained, and deploying soldiers, many whom have probably seen combat before. How are the conservatives going to spin this one?
If this guy was a psychiatrist, as it says he was, I know a psychiatrist, and she says that some of the most messed up people she knows, are, yes, psychiatrists. When she got into the profession post med school, her mentor told her that the first thing she needs to do, is find a therapist, and start going, because you have to deal with your own inner thoughts/demons, before dealing with someone else's.
Come to think of it, "white trash" assumes that all other trash is....not white. Unacceptable on any view.
Most of the females, as well as the males, take a cynical approach to everything they "report". When it comes to opinion logic and common sense does not factor in.
Carlson is more concerned about "political correct[ness]" than the reasons that led this man to go over the edge. I guess Carlson feels it is alright to antagonize and insult muslims or people of different faith, as long as they are in the United States Armey. Otherwise, why bring up the issue.
I think the nurses though were more concerned about their "Hero", Glenn Beck, when his show didn't come on-and we got into a BIT of an argument-I made a remark I'm afraid they didn't like. They seemed almost LOST without their "leader" coming on and telling them how they should feel--and view this tragedy. They didn't like it when I pointed this out to them.
I didn't wait for my regular ride-I called a taxi.
So much for "fair and balanced"............
By the way-before I get bashed for trashing medical personnel- I was a healthcare professional-an RN/Paramedic for over 25yrs. Political ideology has NO PLACE in medical facilities!!
The nurses refuse to change the channel when I'm there, and constantly deride me for my "Progressive/Communist" views-because I chose to blog or read while their "Hero's" show is on-and 98% of the time refuse to engage in an argument with them. (they're NOT interested in civil discussion). If I didn't have glaucoma- I'd go to a different facility, but I have no choice at this time.
Why should they turn the channel just for you, seems just because one person does not like the channel and others do, they should cater to you.
A medical facility should take into consideration the feelings of ALL of its patients. When I was in PT a few years ago, the television in my room was tuned to Fox. I asked that I be able to change the channels . . . I received a remote control. Most people I know don't watch cable opinion networks 24/7.
Until all the facts are in, just try to report the facts we know. I know that's not the Fox News way, but try.
The guy broke, he went nuts, he shot and killed people. He should be punished. His religious beliefs are irrelevant. There are wacked out Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists . . . mental illness doesn't discriminate.
Remember he did yell out "Allahu Akbar!" This was calculated killing, as you read more and more about his actions prior to the killings.
As I said, his religious beliefs are irrelevant . . . he was mentally ill . . . mentally ill people often plan their horrific crimes. Patrick Mulrooney, good Irish Catholic, could have done the same thing . . . you'd just be calling him a mass murderer.
You are a bigot and a not very bright bigot, based on your posts. Carry on, though. You're not making much headway with them.
It is easy after a war to snigger about steps taken to prevent damage at home while the military was fighting abroad. Germans were interned during WWI but not WW2. Both Germans and Japanese served in the US military in both wars.
However, during WW2 a group of young Americans of German extraction were captured on Long Island before they could carry out their terrorist plot. We also don't know what would have happened had some Japanese not been interned.
We need to wake up to the fact that there are huge numbers of young men involved worldwide in Islamic youth groups which preach jihad and death to Americans. They claim to have millions of members. We know that some of them reside in the United States because some have been charged with terrorist offenses. Heads in the sand won't win this war where the enemy has infiltrated every level of all non-Muslim countries,often as citizens.
Right. Just like this country has allowed Fox Snooze to lie since the late 1990's. Should we be careful about Fox Snooze's treatment and allow it to continue?
Of course, Fox would call it a left-wing directed protest filled with ACORN and SEIU radical, socialists Obama loving members. Which would be saying they aren't real Americans like the teabaggers. And what would be funny if MSNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS are encouraged people to show up and those outlets giving it wall-to-wall coverage. One can only dream.