Tancredo walks out in middle of MSNBC interview
November 06, 2009 6:49 pm ET
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And what is it with the white matter that balls up on the corner of Markos' mouth all the time? Gross.
But at least Tancredo had the guts to show up, unlike many of the cowardly dems who refuse to face questions from Fox, including the Obamanation.
-Excessive sleeping (and not just really tired from dealing with a horrible situation or lacking the will to get out of bed but lacking the ability to get out of bed).
-Extreme difficulty concentrating (probably not a good thing when you're holding a loaded weapon).
Oops, sorry, didn't mean to "insult" you...
You missed the point. If Tancredo had shown up, instead of seeking a medical deferment for depression, he wouldn't have been slapped in the face by someone who did serve his country.
He claimed to be an expert on the VA hospitals because veterans talk to him... Markos was saying that as a veteran he wanted a better funded VA hospital.
Tancredo couldn't take the heat so he left...which is what a person does when they no longer have any legs to stand on
Now if he argued his view on what Markos said, and kept getting laughed at and ignored, I'd understand him leavin, what more could he say, but c'mon, he asked forMarkos to say sorry, didn't get it, so left? He looks like a very old 12 year old girl to me. Back up for yourself Tancredo, sheesh!
Shouldn't that statement also apply to the cowardly dems who don't show up to face tough questions at all? And then try and demonize a network that doesn't kiss their butts like most do.
Change we can believe in.
Don't be so obtuse. Or do you have no choice?
Calling Fox out on their obvious (and admitted) bias is nothing at all like any attempt to silence them. Quit snivelling and start procing your outrageous claims.
Calling Fox out on their obvious (and admitted) bias is nothing at all like any attempt to silence them. Quit snivelling and start proving your outrageous claims.
Look at all their analysts:
Dick Morris (Clinton Vendetta),
Karl Rove (WHO?!),
Newt Gingrich (Say Whaaat?!),
Ollie North (C'mon now!),
Mark Furman (It doesn't fit, you must acquit! Geez!)
Mike Huckabee (awww shucks . . . Andy Griffith he ain't)
And let's not forget:
Jerome Corsi (discredited hack)
Since when is appearing on a FAKE "news" network a litmus test for the effectiveness of a Democratic politician?
Bill O'Reilly, your crush, does NOT ask tough questions, he just badgers and stokes his ego.
Also, I'm not aware that there are rules for appearing on cable opinion network entertainment programs like O'Reilly, Olbermann, Maddow, Hannity, et al. Not appearing on one of those shows has nothing to do with being brave or not being brave. They are ENTERTAINMENT programs, fairliberal. You are apparently under the mistaken belief that they are news. Even FOX admits that they are not.
Umm... NO!
Seriously, these right wing apologists see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and when that fails they deny reality, jam their fingers in their ears, and chant "NA NA NA I'M NOT LISTENING!"
Please, save stuff like this for your weekly session.
Please, save stuff like this for your weekly session.
Tell us please.........is it physically painful to be
such a big t w a t as you are??
Trust me, he's an even bigger moron when he misses his meds.
Um, I suggest you rewind the tape and watch again: Tommy OneTune Tancredo took off his mike and earpiece at 1:49; the tape lasts until 2:27 . . .
I'm not crazy about Markos . . . I think he's kind of a creepy little dude, myself; however, Tancredo walked off because he couldn't handle the truth. That's all. Tancredo doesn't like to be questioned.
After the lies he sqawked. He needed to. I am a current soldier in the military. I am happy with my health care. Why would I get a VOUCHER to get private insurance! lol! He is nuts!
Vietnam Vets objected to the lower standards at the VA, and worked to improve the care there. As time went on, the next generation wanted to get the services from the VA, not through regular insurance. The VA improved further.
Fast forward to a bunch of the Army retirees that I work with. They all have government supported health care, along with their families, some are healthy, some are not, or have had issues in the past, recent past, and distant past. Everyone I've asked, LOVE their government supplied health care.
This is a small sampling, about 15 guys that I know, and they are ALL hard core republicans. And they all LOVE their government health care, and think that if everyone else in the country had what they had, people would be a lot healthier.
Are people going to gripe about their insurance sometimes? Of course they are, especially in the military, where griping about whatever you're doing is part and parcel for the course.
He deserves nothing but scorn for what his heroes have done to this country.
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Apparently one man's cheap insult is another man's legitimate debate tactic?
That is why he left of the set.
Waving a flag and saluting the troops? Guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Tancredo etc. are so there. Becoming one of them? Um...."different priorities....anal cysts....depression..."
He deserved to be laughed at because what he said was complete nonsense.
Thanks again Boxer
What would the entire chorus of right wing mouthpieces have been saying about him non-stop for the past two years? How intense and unrelenting would the criticism have been? How many apologies could Obama expect to get for the "insults"?
The truth is that any Democratic opponent would be eviscerated by the right wing if they had such a deferment in their background. Clinton was called a draft-dodger for eight years.
Tancredo got off easy. E-a-s-y!
Clinton WAS a draft dodger. You forget that simple fact. He worked hard at it.
Tancredo, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Cheney and most of the others on the right who support the current wars, did everything in their power to avoid a war THAT THEY DID SUPPORT!!!!!!
(I've been having this same argument with you for a long time and you never seem to understand. In this comment I'm using two of the three most common wingnut approaches, the use of capitals and excessive punctuation to try to get through to you. I'm holding off on the mis-spelling for my next attempt to reach you.)
Opposition to the Vietnam war was extremely common and there were several alternatives available to effectively "dodge" the Army draft.
Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, and National Guard were popular avenues. Legal exemptions were difficult. While any deferment only forstalled service, getting one immediately extended draft elegibility to age 32. As such deferments were not effective means for "dodging". Using a contrived (fake)physical or psychological condition to obtain an exemption is an example of "dodging". Feigning homosexuality and deliberately impregnating and marrying a woman were also paths to exemption.
Bush "dodged" the draft by entering Texas Air Nat'l Guard. Now how does that sound? Or this one: Cheney got married and had children to "dodge" the draft?
My point is this: Blanket accusations of "draft dodging" are fraught with danger, as they must prove an illegality.
If the standard for making an accusation of "dodging" is merely " intent to avoid service" then the burden of proof becomes subjective at best.
If you really, really want to see what a slippery slope this topic is then you should follow this link and check out "Barking Heads Brigade" and "Politicians Platoon" and you see some famous figures who could get slimed in a Who's a drafter dodger debate.
Link to Chickenhawks
Boy, that's one neoKKKon lie that NEVER gets old, eh, FAILliberal?
Thanks for reinforcing my point.
Um.. GWB, Chaney, Tancredo. Pick on both sides of aisle fairlib not one.
End sarcasm.
It is all well and good to say "I have spoken to (unnamed) veterans who hate the system:, but not so fun when you are faced with an actual veteran, a real American hero who volunteered and served honorably.
Pu$$y.
However, Markos went too far. There are so many substantial arguments to use against Tancredo and Markos should have used a real one and not a childish "zing."
People who struggle with mental illness (the "hidden disabilities") and those of us who want to treat them struggle daily to convince society (and insurance companies and the government who would run the public option) that their diseases are real and not just an excuses for bad behavior or a weakness of character.
If Tom Tancredo used depression as an excuse to dodge the draft then that is deplorable in and of itself. But that a liberal activist would joke about anyone's depression being "fake" (even if it was) is embarrassing and, frankly offensive.
As far as the depression, I would not put it past Tancredo to lie about the condition in order to avoid military service. People were using all kinds of reasons to avoid the draft at that time (or so I'm told, it was before my time). I wouldn't just assume his condition is real. His supposed depression did not prevent him from running for public office countless times, appearing on television, appearing on major public events, etc.
Also, just imagine that you are a person who sacrificed to serve your country in the military, and you have a person like Tancredo, who did not even serve when there was a draft, questioning what you know about veterans. As a veteran myself, I can see exactly where Markos is coming from.
Some people were depressed because they received letters in the mail that read, "greetings, from the President of the United States..."
Many of those who were drafted suffered and still suffer from depression due to their experiences.
When he was a presidential candidate, he was a single-issue candidate (which is why I like to call him "Tommy OneTune") -- and that issue was immigration. Tancredo had to demonize immigrants in order to appeal to the far right wing of his base.
But that's the thing with wingnuts: they have to keep their base divided against everyone else, and angry, in order to keep them enganged -- and it looks like he's still doing it, only this time with veterans vs. everyone else on healthcare ... unfortunately, it backfired this time when he got confronted by a REAL veteran . . .
He said "I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight a war I supported in Vietnam."
The bolded section is what makes this a valid statement. Tancredo openly supported the war. His depression did not hold him back from running for various political positions and such things, so why should it be a valid reason for him not to fight for something he supports? He was just a cowardly draft dodger.
That being said, depression is nothing to joke about, as I have had it myself in the past. Had Markos simply taken a stab at Tancredo's depression itself, I would have an entirely different stance on this. But, he turns out to be exactly right, simply due to the fact that Tancredo dodged the draft "because of depression", and yet it did not hold him back from doing other things.