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Gregory asks Haley Barbour to explain "the differences between Reagan's leadership on the economy and what you're seeing out of President Obama so far"

November 08, 2009 2:40 pm ET

From the November 8 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:

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    • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (November 08, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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      Barbour: Reagan helped ordinary people not the rich fat cats on Wall Street
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      • Author by the Grey Path (November 08, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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        The biggest difference is that Carter had resolved Nixon's recession by the time Reagan came into office. Obama inherited a collapsing economy and just like Carter has applied Keynesian strategy to keep us out of Depression-II.

        When Reagan should have paid down the debt created while resolving the recession, he tripled the debt. Reagan then slashed taxes and regulations on the investing class causing bubble after bubble.

        The elder Bush started to rein in the growth of the deficit and then Clinton actually began paying off the debt.

        Reagan-II came into office and made up a ten-year budget projection, budgeted within one half of a percent, giving his friends huge tax cuts in order to meet Grover Norquist's goal of bankrupting the government.

        Keynes was and continues to be right. If conservatives would something about economics we'd be in much better shape.
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (November 09, 2009 12:04 am ET)
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          You'd never know it from listening now, but Carter inherited both the inflation and energy mess.

          Most gas lines were during Nixon-Ford, they ended during Carter, and Carter also appointed the successful Paul Voelker, who stayed on during much of Reagan.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 08, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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        Really? You dont say? So it wasnt reagan that brought the idea of trickle down economics into the America political idealogy? He didn't popularize the very phrase himself? Its hilarious that you take this stand because trickle down economics is political rhetoric that refers to the policy of providing tax cuts or other benefits to businesses and rich individuals in the belief that this will indirectly benefit the broad population. What was another name for trickle down economics again? Oh yea supply side economics or the MORE PROPERLY KNOWN PHRASE - REAGANOMICS!
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        • Author by the Grey Path (November 08, 2009 5:22 pm ET)
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          Supply side showed a complete misundertanding of economics. It worked for a moment as a boost to the economy (when it wasn't needed), but ...

          1. Boosting an already growing economy will eventually throw the economy into a deep tailspin, like now.

          2. A boosting strategy implemented on a permanent basis will eventually throw the economy into a deep tailspin, like now.

          The key to balancing the economy is to pay off the debt when things are going well.

          Conservatives have no understanding of BALANCE.
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          • Author by all your eyes (November 09, 2009 7:33 am ET)
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            Sure, Conservatives know balance when they see it. Like, "Fair and Balanced." And "balanced budget." They've got it all figured out.
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        • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (November 08, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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          Certainly, I didn't say it.

          And you might notice the comment attributed to Haley is a link to satirical coverage of MTP.

          (Note to self: NEVER forget the <satire> tag around these parts!)
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 08, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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        Reagan did not enter a white house at a time in which the country was in the worst financial shape it has been in since the great depression. I am certainly not saying everything obama has done was the right move. I think he did some things that helped and some that hurt and some that I blatantly disagreed with and I am a liberal. But the fact is, Obama was left to clean up the absolute disaster Bush exacerbated. Obama is trying to make difficult decisions at a time when 40 percent of our government has decided that would rather try to attack the democratic party and the president than actually govern the country. That certainly doesn't help matters nor does the constant referencing of the deficit which ironically no one gave a second though to when we invested trillions into tax cuts or war.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (November 08, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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      You mean when Reagan raised taxes during a recession and raised them almost every year of his presidency ?

      Yep......and raised them mostly on lower and middle class folks and doubled the social security withholding.

      In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.

      According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. An increase of similar magnitude today would raise more than $100 billion per year.

      In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate.(doubled it actually)

      This is a tax increase that lives with us still, since it initiated automatic increases in the taxable wage base. As a consequence, those with moderately high earnings see their payroll taxes rise every single year.

      In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act.

      This raised taxes by $18 billion per year or 0.4 percent of GDP. A similar-sized tax increase today would be about $44 billion.

      The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again.

      Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years.

      And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.

      The year 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised legislatively. Of course, previous tax increases remained in effect.

      According to a table in the 1990 budget, the net effect of all these tax increases was to raise taxes by $164 billion in 1992, or 2.6 percent of GDP. This is equivalent to almost $300 billion in today's economy.
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (November 08, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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        Yeah.....but didn't he lower taxes before he started raising them?
        Azz wud I heard.......somewhere.
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        • Author by tdk (November 08, 2009 6:51 pm ET)
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          Yes Reagan lowered taxes....on the wealthiest individuals. The effect of this and the later tax increases on the lower and middle classes was a redistribution of wealth culminated in the Bush II presidency when it again redistributed our nations wealth to the Paris Hilton's of the world.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 08, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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      Gregory asks Haley Barbour to explain "the differences between Reagan's leadership on the economy and what you're seeing out of President Obama so far"

      Well all I can say is this: His cabinet especially his Secretary of Treasury - Donald Regan - favored "Reagonomics". His biggest achievement was making brokerage firms go public because he figured them being under cartel rules.

      Here is a little insight on what he did before the being secretary:
      During his tenure in these two positions, Regan also pushed hard for an end to minimum fixed commissions for brokers, which were fees that brokerage companies had to charge clients for every transaction they made on the clients' behalf; Regan saw them as a cartel-like restriction. In large part thanks to his lobbying, fixed commissions were abolished in 1975.

      The payment of commission as remuneration for services rendered or products sold is a common way to reward sales people. Payments often will be calculated on the basis of a percentage of the goods sold. Common industries where commission is used include car sales, property sales, insurance broking and many other sales jobs.
      A side effect of commissions is that in some cases, they can result to salespeople resorting to dishonest and fraudulent business practices in order to increase their sales.

      Hmmm??? We been having alot of scandals involving commission in sales have we?
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    • Author by rtwmd1230 (November 08, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
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      Help me out: I'm not seeing the misinformation here or getting the point of posting this. Thanks.
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      • Author by mary59 (November 08, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
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        I'd venture to say, it isn't misinformation that MMFA is highlighting: it's the judgment of a neutral news host asking Haley Barbour a leading question, which is bound to lead to a biased presentation ignoring basic reality about Reagan and Obama.
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        • Author by spooky3 (November 08, 2009 11:13 pm ET)
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          Agree. Also, the term "leadership" implies competent management of something but it's mentioned only w/r/to Reagan. The question would have been less loaded, had it been worded in a more parallel way, as either:

          "...the differences between Pres. Reagan's leadership on the economy and Pres. Obama's leadership on the economy thus far" or something like this:

          "...how you would compare and contrast Reagan's vs. Obama's approaches on economic affairs, at the same stage in their terms but obviously facing different conditions..."
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (November 09, 2009 12:07 am ET)
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        I think the point is that Gregory is trafficking in conservative misinformation about Reagan the Almighty.
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    • Author by creeksneakers2 (November 08, 2009 10:18 pm ET)
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      Reagan made things worse. Obama is making them better.
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      • Author by blk-in-alabam (November 09, 2009 8:14 am ET)
           
        How come Haley Barbour could not give an honest answer like that???
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    • Author by bluestate69 (November 09, 2009 8:36 am ET)
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      gregory constantly repeats republican talking points as though they're factual, and with no mention of their origin. i always thought his relationship with bush was a little too cozy, with bush calling him "stretch" and all. democrats seem to be less effective when they go on his show. the republicans are usually party loyalists, and stay on party message. the democrats play political pragmatists seeking consensus, but call the republicans out when they don't play fair. which is not the best strategy. democrats need some backbone and now. the base is getting uninspired.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (November 09, 2009 8:42 am ET)
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      The website Inequality.org has a summary of income trends among American households from 1947 to 2005. The following two graphs illustrate the rise and fall of the middle class since World War II. The first graph shows income growth according to quintile (20%) groups. Note the lowest 20% of households (far left) had the largest income growth from 1947 to 1979. The richest group represented by the bar on the far right had the lowest income growth, although it was still substantial. It was a time of “lifting all boats.”

      [http://blog.sustainablemiddleclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/quintile-income-growth-22.jpg]

      The second graph shows the income trends from 1979 to 2005. It’s a much different picture with the richest group seeing the highest income growth. This graph illustrates the supply-side economic theory that has been prominent since Ronald Reagan was president. The “trickle down” economics did not in fact reach the lower wage earning groups.

      [http://blog.sustainablemiddleclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/quintile-income-growth-1.jpg]
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (November 09, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
           
        Wow!!!!!!!!!
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      • Author by bluestate69 (November 10, 2009 8:04 am ET)
           
        thanks for sharing the graph. it shows where the power is in this country. the republicans will destroy the middle class if given enough power. imagine how that graph would have looked if clinton wasn't president for eight years!!
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