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Worst. Talking. Point. Ever.

November 10, 2009 6:04 pm ET

On the November 10 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck, Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute said: "Insurance companies save more lives in a single day than President Obama or Nancy Pelosi will save in their entire lifetimes."

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    • Author by Jollymon (November 10, 2009 6:08 pm ET)
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      LOL. That was HILLARIOUS! Because everyone knows that insurance companies care more about saving lives than they do about profits. Just ask Wendell Potter about that one if you dont believe me.
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      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 11, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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        Cannon is absolutely right. Insurance companies have allowed people to pool their resources so that when one of them has a serious illnes or injury the providers are paid to treat it. If there had never been any insurance companies most of the high dollar treatments that we take for granted would not exist. If not for free market capitalism they would not exist.

        Obumbles and Pelosi are attempting nothing more than another round of wealth redistribution/distruction.

        Nobody is forced to buy insurance(yet). If you don't like it then don't get it and stop your whining.

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        • Author by Jollymon (November 11, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
             
          Hmmmm, so you are saying, insurance companies pool people's money to redistribute it to the people that need it, but you don't want Obama to pass a healthcare bill because you think its "redistribution" of people's money?

          Bravo! That was a Beck-like argument where you contradicted yourself in three sentences or less. Well done!

          *golf clap*

          I love it when ignorant people say things because they think they have a clever idea, but really have no clue. Once again fine sir, Bravo! Well said!

          *golf clap*
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          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 11, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
               
            There's just one small difference, jolly - people choose to buy insurance with their OWN MONEY. Obumbles and his merry band of socialists want to confiscate what's required to fund their govt. bureacracy. Do you really not see the difference?
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            • Author by Jollymon (November 11, 2009 8:43 pm ET)
                 
              I guess you didn't bother to read the bill or look at the facts of where the money comes from and that people aren't forced to use it. Keep showing the ignorance. It suites you oh so well.
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              • Author by brutusmaximus (November 11, 2009 9:44 pm ET)
                   
                Are you telling me you actually read all 1990+ pages? People will be forced in to the system(that's part of the bill), and I will be paying for it because so many losers are incapable.
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                • Author by Jollymon (November 11, 2009 9:56 pm ET)
                     
                  Actually I have read a lot of the relevant portions of it and summaries from non-liberal and non-conservative sites that get to the facts of it.

                  So you have a major problem with a bill that tries to keep people from dying in the US because of lack of health care, but you have no problem with your tax dollars going to fund wars in other countries where our troops and civilians are dying in the name of defeating terrorism?

                  What kills more people in America? Terrorists? (killed more than 3,500 in the U.S. from one day of attacks over the last 8 years) Or people without proper health care? (an average of 10,000-12,000 die EVERY YEAR from lack of proper health care)

                  Hmmmm, those are some pretty damning numbers brutusminimusbraincells.

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                  • Author by brutusmaximus (November 12, 2009 7:52 am ET)
                       
                    Libs like you are beyond hope, jolly. The Constitution requires that the federal government provide for the national defense. We can argue over how that requirement is fulfilled, but it's there for good reason. On the other hand, there is no part of the Constitution that authorizes the federal govt. to take over our health care, also for good reason.

                    This bill, or what ever version that passes under these dim-witted socialists, will kill more people than any of the wars on terror.

                    Your 10,000-12,000 deaths-per-year, of course, is completely bogus. But even if it were close to true, wait until you see the socialist system - it will be considered a great year if only 12,000 die while waiting in line for treatment. Not to mention the lower standard of living for everyone not in line.

                    How many people died in Europe in that little heat wave a few years ago because their system couldn't handle it? Pathetic! And that's where we're headed.
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                    • Author by Jollymon (November 12, 2009 10:32 am ET)
                         
                      Actually I'm not a liberal. I think people with extreme points of view like yours and far left liberals are laughable and ignorant.

                      And how many people died in our heat-wave in 1996? You are just making things up now, how sad.

                      And those numbers are not bogus at all. I have read several documents from reputable people in the medical field, so forgive me if I take their word over the biased view of a faceless and clueless blogger like yourself.

                      The bottom line is, and again I ask you, what is the more pressing problem to the American people? Terrorists? Or Cancer and Heart disease? Which of those kills more Americans each year? Got any made-up numbers to throw out at me about that?

                      But I guess since the Constitution doesn't say anything about that, you are for people dying, right? I'm not trying to change your opinion, your mind is made up. And people that refuse to look at things from both sides are people I can do without.
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                      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 12, 2009 11:30 am ET)
                           
                        "You are just making things up now, how sad." - jolly

                        What part am I making up? I simply asked a question.

                        If you believe that this government takeover, as written by the leftists in congress, is going to make health care in this country better, then you are a liberal. Only liberals believe the federal government has the authority to do it and only liberals are dumb enough to think that it can work.

                        And what "documents from reputable people" have you read? We have the best health care system in the world - at every economic level.

                        If you losers want to depend on the government for your health care I wish you could leave me out of it. The problem, of course, is that you have to have me to pay for it.
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                        • Author by Jollymon (November 12, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
                             
                          Fact: I am not a liberal.

                          Fact: We do not have "the best" healthcare in the world.

                          Fact: The healthcare plan as it stands is not perfect, but it is not a "takeover" of healthcare. Its another option for people that do not have or cannot afford insurance.

                          Fact: I am a disabled veteran and have a good portion of my healthcare already taken care of because of that, and I get the rest covered though my job.

                          Fact: You have deluded yourself with right-wing lies and talking points. So again, there is no talking to you. Your mind is made up. Only the ignorant refuse to look at facts from both sides.

                          I don't think the healthcare plan as it is is going to work great. It needs work and revisions. But its better than what is out there. Deny it all you want. You are just denying the reality of our healthcare system.

                          I will give you one source for information, you can do your own research instead of listening to Fox "News." Look up Dr. Aaron Carroll. He is very insightful on this matter and actually produces facts, not delusions.

                          Good luck, hope you find your way out of your ignorance and hate someday.
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                          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 12, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
                               
                            Living up to your name, jolly.

                            You need to learn the difference between a fact and opinion.

                            I love my HSA. That's a fact.

                            You're a liberal. That's my opinion.

                            We have the best health care system in the world. That's my opinion.

                            Even though I could afford to do so in most cases, I would never take anyone from my family to another country for treatment. That's a FACT.

                            Without forcing the "rich" to pay for this idiotic socialist idea it could never come close to being adequately funded. That's a FACT.
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                            • Author by Jollymon (November 12, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
                                 
                              Again, you refuse to budge from your opinions and to take the time to look at the facts. That is your right, and your loss and the reason you and people like you will always be on here complaining and trying to pick fights with people that don't have the same view as you. Its quite sad really. I would feel sorry for you but I don't waste my time with people like that. Enjoy your ignorant opinions, labeling and anger. Hope you have a long happy life living that way. Take care.
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    • Author by bintx (November 10, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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      Seriously? LOL!!!

      Insurance companies don't save lives. They PAY BILLS [well, sometimes]. DOCTORS, EMTs, NURSES and other health care providers save lives.
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    • Author by DellDolly (November 10, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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      Yes, health insurance pays for healthcare that saves lives. But the insurance companies don't save any lives. It's the doctors and other healthcare professionals, using medicines and medical devices, that do the lifesaving.

      And the lack of health insurance costs lives. And Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama are trying to get rid of that problematic lack of health insurance to save lives.

      The Republican Party's offering didn't do squat to work on that problem.

      But he knows that, and so he has to spew nonsense to poison the debate on the lack of health care insurance for tens of millions of Americans.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 10, 2009 7:28 pm ET)
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        A caller on Stephanie Miller's show had an interesting idea. We pass the Republican Bill with triggers. It implodes, surprise(!) and we all get the public option.
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      • Author by brutusmaximus (November 10, 2009 8:35 pm ET)
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        Poor dolly and and all the rest of you loser libs sitting around waiting for obumbles to come take care of you. Have you ever considered taking care of yourself or are you completely incapable of that?
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        • Author by New Frontier (November 10, 2009 9:45 pm ET)
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          Have you ever considered taking care of yourself or are you completely incapable of that?

          We've considered being dropped by an insurance company for having a pre-existing condition, and then needing a $500,000 operation. Surely you are capable of taking care of your needs without insurance.
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          • Author by brutusmaximus (November 11, 2009 8:37 am ET)
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            So, Frontier, do you have insurance or not? If not, why not? If the insurance company failed to honor it's contract why aren't they legally forced to? I know, it's crazy to expect the government to actually perform one of it's few legitimate functions. Do you have the assets to pay for the operation yourself? If not are there any gubmn't programs in place that you can turn to? If not then you must make too much or have too much to qualify.
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        • Author by princeofwheels (November 11, 2009 12:33 am ET)
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          Glutus, you are funny. Probably in many ways. Now put your Rush and Seannie dolls away and go watch O'Reilly.
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        • Author by bintx (November 11, 2009 10:12 am ET)
             
          Hon, I've been taking care of myself since I was 18 years old . . . have purchased two homes as a single mother, raised two great kids BY MYSELF and have a wonderful career. What that has to do with the idiocy promoted by this guy that "insurance companies save lives" is beyond me.

          Nice talking point, though. Incorrect, but nicely parroted.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 10, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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      "Insurance companies save more lives in a single day than President Obama or Nancy Pelosi will save in their entire lifetimes."


      LMAO!

      Prove it!
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    • Author by thisisntme (November 10, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
         
      Just when you think the insurance middlemen couldn't sink any further.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (November 10, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
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      "Financial model...return on investment...return on premiums...what to charge...free market...value for shareholders...$50,000 patients...can make life really unpleasant for you...bottom line...lousy care to the sick..."

      Aaaah...so comforting.
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      • Author by pilotx (November 10, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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        So I'm supposed to trust a corporation that will intentionally give me bad service so I go to their competitor? Wow, I bet you'll never see this guy on tv talking about insurance ever again.
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    • Author by New Frontier (November 10, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
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      If I'd only known Blue Cross saved lives, I would've headed straight for their office (presuming I could find it) when I got sick last week, instead of wasting my time at the hospital.
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    • Author by rock (November 10, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
         
      I don't think we need any more evidence than that video right there to prove Fox News is the communications arm of the Republican Party. That was one of the worst rationalizations against health care reform I have ever seen. Good grief.
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    • Author by AB-001 (November 10, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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      Lights on, nobody home
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 10, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
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      Insurance companies kill more people per day than most terrorist attacks in an entire lifetime.

      If anything after this, I hate them even more than I did before.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (November 10, 2009 7:28 pm ET)
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      Oh. My. Gawd.
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    • Author by SLRTX (November 10, 2009 7:38 pm ET)
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      Doctors save lives.

      Emergency responders save lives.

      Insurance companies have NEVER saved a single life. Period.
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    • Author by kmikc0018249 (November 10, 2009 7:50 pm ET)
         
      I can't wait for the gov't that runs so many other things so great and efficiently to run health care. Yes, the same gov't that has run us into debt to the tune of 1.3 trillion in ONE FREAKING YEAR. But I'm sure when it comes to health care, everything will be splendid. Yep.
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    • Author by ctipton (November 10, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
         
      I think you guys are missing the point of the video a little bit. It's not just the "insurance companies save lives" bit.

      He goes on to talk about how insurance companies will make your plan worthless so they can essentially sell you to their competitor. Sounds like they are real trustworthy. Sounds like they really care about saving lives.
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    • Author by ProgLib (November 10, 2009 8:23 pm ET)
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      is this fool serious? like the insurance companies give a you-know-what about saving human lives? thats pathetic... all they care about greed and making a profit.
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    • Author by princeofwheels (November 11, 2009 12:37 am ET)
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      WOW, the CATO INSTITUTE has become a joke. This is the brightest guy there.

      News Flash...Napolitano was punked. This guy was from the OCAT Institute, the Insane Asylum for the Sean Wannabees, just outside New York City. It is supported by donation from Fox News.
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