O'Reilly asks anti-choice activist if she "believes that Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill"
November 11, 2009 9:16 pm ET
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Guess where I'm taking a little trip to next week?
Also can this loon prove evidence(like paperwork or some other form of evidence) before spreading smears. Psst! Your words saying Planned Parenthood is abortion mill is not enough evidence.
Isn't that why ACORN called the authorities? Shouldn't those smugglers have been arrested? <>
Anyone can have an opinion. On this, we agree. Some are based on surroundings, some on hate, some on fanciful dreams and others on an array of factors.
I just dream of the day when opinions are not considered true fact.
Thank God for the first amendment. Especially for those around here.
And what proof/opinion are you speaking of concerning Barney Frank? I believe that should be explained.
As for "Barney Frank and other dems" involvement in the financial mess . . . you need to go read up on how Congress works. Shoot, go listen to Schoolhouse Rocks "How a Bill Becomes Law." If a fifth grader can understand it, you should be able to . . . here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
Also, your comments about ACORN are idiotic.
Barney Frank's and other dems involvement in the financial mess and acorn's willingness to assist in prostitution and people smuggling, they ignore it. Pretty amazing.
When you have dergulation and a mostly controled congress by republicans since 1994 and influience of corporation lobbying you have what we call BS regulation! Also the situation with ACORN is pathetic. Now Haliburton and Blackwater there is something to be looked at.
By the same logic as "what about Iraq?", conservatives can challenge "pro-choice" because some person may not support school vouchers. MMfA should use the proper term, because we expect others to respect our labels as well. People who say "Democrat" when it should be "Democratic" are rightly dismissed as juvenile partisan hacks, for instance, so the left should abide by the same standard of behavior.
The term "pro-life" is a clear misnomer, because its adherents are also overwhelmingly pro-war, pro-death penalty, and anti-public health care. They often seem far more concerned in controlling a woman's sex life as a means of controlling society and maintaining traditional power structures than in nurturing the young and helpless. Their passion for an individual's life so often seems to end at birth.
And they also remain... for the most part... silent in the wake of those from within their ranks who have resorted to murder and terrorism in support of their "pro-life" cause.
If we want to have a discussion about the merits of the term, that's fine. Is it fitting? Does it encompass all aspects of valuing "life"? Of course not, and I'm not saying that you personally can't draw any conclusions. The headline on this page is the problem. We can understand that the term isn't appropriate while using it at the same time. That's part of having a civil dialogue. It is not up to us to try to establish a substitute label in the public sphere.
You may consider speaking the truth to these bullsh!t right wing screech monkeys as "strategically idiotic", but I consider it a practical necessity. Hell, that's sort of the point of Media Matters, isn't it... to point out the misinformation, the dishonest and hypocritical arguments, and the propagandistic misframing of the debate that the right so consistently engages in? Does it really strengthen us to respond so meekly to their attacks?
Remember the old story of The Emperor's New Clothes. People were more than willing to accept the concept that a naked man... a man of authority, after all... was wearing the finest and sheerist of wardrobes imaginable. No one was willing to challenge this, in spite of the evidence of their own eyes, because everybody else had accepted it, and they all feared looking foolish by challenging accepted belief. They were willing to live within this distorted reality until someone finally showed the stones necessary to dispute this conventional wisdom, and then, suddenly, they could clearly see that the Emperor's ass was hanging out.
Allowing a bunch of zealous, raging, anti-choice control freaks the faux dignity of labeling themselves pro-life is pretty much the same as keeping the Emperor's nakedness to ourselves. Unreality is simply a poor and ultimately self-defeating strategy. The debate... this contested reality... can only be won by aggressively disputing that which is so obviously disputable. Again, I will not concede to the right the inane and deliberately misleading labels that they've so arrogantly and falsely chosen to self apply.
And so we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this question.
As for "meekly", it's just a question of picking your battles, and more importantly, your battlefield. Liberals who make broad and harsh criticisms against conservatives here lose a lot of ground in arguments. Sticking to logic and facts is exponentially more effective. This has been pointed out any number of times regarding the behavior of people like Limbaugh:if we're debating the actual issues, we win, but if we're fighting in the mud, we lose.So you don't have any confidence in your ability to challenge the policies, beliefs and philosophies of the pro-life movement? If you do, then this isn't necessary in the slightest. You can point out the King is naked without trying to change his name to "King Bare-Ass" or whatever. Again, I'm not saying that you can't discuss the merits of the label. I'm just saying that nobody else has the right to try to change it. Point out any hypocrisy you like, just don't push a "we should call them..." argument.
Just because someone calls themselves "pro-life" doesn't mean they are.
Yes its ok to have an abortion because no one can tell you what to do with your own body....but you better damn well wear your seatbelt on the way to the clinic...its the LAW.