O'Reilly declares Holocaust museum shooter is not a "terrorist" because he didn't yell "Allah Akbar"
November 12, 2009 11:31 am ET
From the November 11 broadcast of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
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As political_left-religious_right said... just because they are not Muslim, does not mean they are not potential terrorists!
Billy is such a contemptible punk!
But do you disagree that Hasan is a terrorist? Speak up.
Freakin' bigots!
I'm sure that you and your compatriots at the Faux News Channel consider a violent, right wing extremist like McVeigh a freedom fighter.
On the other hand, both are murderers driven by hatred and mental illness. But we won't bring up those more nuanced, less-than-easy to explain concepts...
It would seem that the military dropped the ball by not getting this guy psychiatric help. This isn't my opinion, it's based upon a just released report. The man was nuts.
He's not being "let off" with anything. He's being charged with 13 counts of murder. He's a murderer, just like the "white guy" at the Holocaust museum, Jason Rodriguez in Orlando and the guy who shot up the business in Oregon. Murderers all.
It's amazing how quickly the liberal blogs rushed to make him all a part of right winig craziness and link him to whatever they could, but now they are all doing their best to paint Hasan as just a crazy person, and that his religion had nothing to do with the shooting. Unbelievable hypocrisy going on right now on the left. Simply amazing.
I'm just pointing out the differences here in how the liberal blogs have acted in some cases, but is very definitely trying to paint a picture of a lone crazy nutcase who acted alone. No one on the left even wants to talk about how political correctness may have allowed him to get to the point where he could do what he did without a lot closer surveillance by those who knew something wasn't right about the guy. It's a very stark contrast by the left on this.
Fort Hood suspect contacted Muslim extremists
So until all evidence behind Hassan come out he will not be placed under some wild theory like the right-wing has been doing ever since his name first got announced.
Really intelligent, Bill.
(Godwin violation, but it was so worth it.)
9/11 had a clear political motivation (they wanted us out of Middle East affairs both militarily and politically); the Oklahoma City bombings (he thought the U.S. became an intrusive government, taxed too much, brady bill etc. and wanted them out) etc etc. You can go down the list of the famous terrorist attacks and see clear political motivation. In the case of the Holocaust incident, we aren't sure if it was just a vicious psychopath driven by bigotry towards Jews or it had a political motivation given his questionable political beliefs - we'll have to wait to the trial to find out.
However, we don't fully understand Hasan's motivation either. they are ambiguous just like Von Brunn's; so why is everyone jumping to conclusions?
I applaud your statement.
If a white guy kills someone and screams "Praise Jesus" then he's a terrorist too...
I don't know if this guy is a terrorist or not... he might be, but to label him as such purely on his religion is wrong.
The Holocaust shooter wrote a book called "Kill The Best Gentiles"
BillO you're being lame.
Bill is not calling him a MUSLIM terrorist strictly based on his religion. The guy yelled out Allah Akbar, which is a phrase that the 911 hijackers were instructed to yell out during the 911 attacks. He also had phone calls and e-mails sent and received from terrorist organizations. Please don't try to make this out to be a religion-hating issue or try to paint anyone who brings up that this guy was muslim as a bigot. It minimizes the issue and makes it harder to get people to consider your arguments legitimate when it comes to worthy instances of religious hatred and bigotry.
You are exaggerating the phone calls and e-mail information.
Nobody is saying that Bill is being a bigot because he's bringing up the fact that the guy is Muslim, it's that he's saying that the Holocaust terrorist wasn't a terrorist because he DIDN'T yell "Allah Akbar."
Keep up.
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I'm not making it a religious hating idea...BillO is by saying that Allah Akbar makes one person a terrorist and the other not.
He is making it into a religion hating thing. I watched the segment, I did my research... you obviously haven't.
I have noticed most people on Fox actually look tired like they are stressed.
The guy is a mass murderer whose superiors in the Army had already considered "psychotic." He will be charged with 13 counts of murder and will be punished. As it should be.
The shame of this situation is that the Army did not do a better job of monitoring someone whom they had already deemed "off plumb."
And again, just because someone is psychotic doesn't mean they are not a terrorist.
You are as bad as your hero.
d. Terrorist
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
A terrorist is a terrorist and claiming there's a distinction between terrorists of certain religions or races is bigoted.
Sorry....wrong again. Check my posts. I didn't say he was obviously a MUSLIM terrorist.
by jpeagle21 (3 hours and 30 minutes ago)
MUSLIM.....knock knock....hellooooo. MUSLIM terrorist
Keep up
If Bill is wrong in coming to conclusions this early about the shooters religious beliefs, than you are just as wrong to immediately write it off as "caused by his distorted world views."
Is there any evidence to date that this is the case? He's a psychotic murderer, just because he is also a Muslim doesn't make him a MUSLIM terrorist. It simply makes him a psychotic murderer who also happens to be a MUSLIM. The two are not necessarily mutually inclusive.
The phrase is 'Allahu Akbar', meaning Allah is greatest. According to wikipedia, it is recited by Muslims in numerous different situations. For example, when they are happy or wish to express approval, when they want to praise a speaker, during battles, and even during times of extreme stress or euphoria.
Major Hasan is Muslim. He is not a terrorist. He is, however, mentally disturbed, and has been for some time. The Army, for whatever reason, chose to overlook that for too long, and people ended up dead. You don't know it was political correctness rather than a need to retain mental health professionals. That is merely your opinion, and likely one supplied by the haters at FOX.
I am an outcast (liberal Christian), so I have limited understanding of Islam, but I do know enough to at least get the spelling correct, and to look up the meaning of a phrase in a language and culture that I do not have a strong grasp of to find out what it might mean. The fact that Mr. O'Reilly refuses to do so only shows further how bigoted and ignorant he truly is.
The fact that you can sit here and deride someone for calling him a terrorist without having all the facts, yet call him "not a terrorist" without having all the facts in the very same post shows me all that I need to know about you.
Most folks are waiting for the investigation to be completed before passing judgment on whether he can or cannot be classified as a terrorist.
1) The spelling in the MMfA headline is directly quoting Mr. O'Reilly, so perhaps it is Mr. O'Reilly who should get the letter. See the little squiggles, two on each side? Those a quotation marks.
2) Mr. O'Reilly leaped to the conclusion Major Hasan was a terrorist when he found out what his religion was. I pointed out this was bigoted and ignorant. I stand by that. Under the definitions of 'terrorism' and 'mass murder', what Major Hasan did was in fact not terrorism. Since it wasn't terrorism, he cannot be defined as a terrorist for this incident no matter who he trades e-mail with.
3) The CIA has a long history of doing business with drug dealers, terrorists (real ones), murders, and genocidal maniacs. Does this mean the CIA is also a terrorist organization? Based solely on their use of torture, I'd say yes, but you are arguing for guilt by association, aren't you, oblivious of the fact that it is a logical fallacy. Hey, Donald Rummsfeld shook Saddam Hussein's hand. They were pretty good buddies under Reagan's administration. Still want to play guilt by association?
I find your ignorance deplorable, and your conclusions unsupported by even a cursory examination of facts. Keep posting, though. This is fun!
BTW, I looked through here and I think you are the only one using the correct spelling of Allahu Akbar, which I am sure you just realized was the correct spelling when you did the wikipedia (the most credible source on the internet <end sarcasm here>) search. Congrats. Maybe you should scold everyone else on here for their misspellings.
You're right, this IS fun.
There is no evidence Major Hasan killed for political reasons, so this does not fit the definition of terrorism. There is growing evidence these murders were at least partly caused by mental disease, depression in this case.
His contact with 'terrorist leaders' is not an issue.
His religion is not an issue, unless you are a bigot.
You and Mr. O'Reilly leap to the conclusion that, since he professes a particular faith, he must be a terrorist. More ignorance.
My CIA example is a quick and demonstrable proof that 'guilt by association' is a logical fallacy and why. Hitler was a vegetarian. Hitler was a fascist. All vegetarians are fascist. There's another example, in case my CIA example proved too difficult to grasp.
Perhaps the others here are merely quoting the racist Mr. O'Reilly, rather than using the correct spelling. You have no proof either way, but you seem to get a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions.
Wikipedia is not completely credible, I grant you, but it does not take much further research in this case to show that they are in fact accurate. If you thought that was the extent of my research you were sadly mistaken.
Quinn: You can call the guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum a terrorist
O'Reilly: Did he yell Allah Akbar? If he yelled out Allah Akbar and emailed an Al Qaeda in Yemen, I'd call him that Ms. Quinn.
O'Reilly says "who cares what people who know what they're talking about say"?
"A lot of people {read:O'Reilly} are jumping to the conclusion because this man spouted violent Islamic ideology that this is a terrorist attack," criminologist Pat Brown said. "He was simply a lone guy who had issues, problems, psychopathic behaviors that escalated to the point where he wanted to get back at society, and he took it out on his workmates like most of them do."
It would prove that she's wrong.
Crimes against Jews? No.
What exactly is O'Reilly's definition of terrorism? Yelling a phrase in Arabic and killing someone? Having connections to other countries not in Europe?
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Like "Muslim" is a language.
A terrorist is one who participates in terrorism. Which mean Bill'O since you are a dum dum. A systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. So anybody who does that is consider a terrorist. No matter what race, gender or RELIGION!
someone who doesnt find that racist are either stupid or ignorant to what racism really is.