Beck: I don't identify as white, why do black people identify as black?
November 13, 2009 5:27 pm ET
From the November 13 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:
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Whenever the right puts their foot in their mouth about race, the answer is "But, But, But...Rev. Wright" as if we're trying to put him on a monetary note.
It's so transparent and embarrassing, but so is the right wing of this country and their hero, Glenn.
Whenever the right puts their foot in their mouth about race, the answer is "But, But, But...Rev. Wright" as if we're trying to put him on a monetary note.
It's so transparent and embarrassing, but so is the right wing of this country and their hero, Glenn.
Thanks.
Look up comments made by Rev. Wright. Look up Trinity Church honors Farrahkan. And look up Rev. Phleger at Trinity Church.
OK, I'm so sorry. Next time I will take the time to find quotes that I thought should have been pretty common knowledge by now.
I brought it up because I have seen people post quotes before without backing them up with their own links. I've seen people steal words from other pundits and use it as their own to prove a point, intentionally leaving out the rest of the document they plucked it from in order to cherry pick their ideas.
I'm doing this for your benefit. Citations make your words a bit more believable.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/priest-and-obam.html
Here's the sermon url
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afUwbTZj4U
Obama even came out against the sermon.
2. highlight the word/text in your post that you want to make the link
3. click on the icon that looks like two chain links ( that is the link icon )
4. you should get a pop up window where you can paste your link into the provided box.
5. click the Ok tab
6. this should put tags around your highlighted text and the url address
7. you should see the highlighted text in the preview window highlited in blue
8. you can test the link by clicking on it in the preview window and the link should open up you intended address in the same preview window.
That's all I'm saying.
However, your "understanding" is just a psychological fantasyland fairy tale to try to excuse Beck's racism.
That's all I'm saying.
Then don't put quotation marks around it, try to pass it off as a quote, and ask others to treat it as a quote. Thanks for playing.
OK, I'm so sorry. Next time I will take the time to find quotes that I thought should have been pretty common knowledge by now."
It's about more than common knowledge. It's about failing to cite quotes which indicates that you're either a) taking credit for them yourself, b) making them up, c) too lazy to cite them, or d) too stupid to understand that it's about more than forum etiquette.
Just sayin'.
Funny that you have NOTHING to say about OBAMA HIMSELF coming out and condemning the quotes.
I think you're missing the point here. A couple of out-of-context quotes have been taken from several decades of Wright's speaking, and you're saying it's not a stretch to make assumptions about Obama based on your paraphrasing of those quotes.
You really need to start all over on this. What exactly are you looking for?
What isn't OK, apparently, is thinking that someone who has such views could possibly have anything against white people.
As long as it is OK for one group to say things like "that other group created AIDS to kill us," or "that other group of people are devils" there will never be a post-racial America.
It's really quite simple, kid. It's about basic honesty.
Maybe a student of Sean Hannity, who likes to throw a lot of editorializing in between "quote" and "unquote". Is the concept that difficult?
* The two principles on which our conduct towards the Indians should be founded, are justice and fear. After the injuries we have done them, they cannot love us . . . .
o Letter to Benjamin Hawkins (13 August 1786) Lipscomb & Bergh ed. 5:390
As soon as Jeremiah Wright has his own TV show on the FOX Comedy Channel, where he has a hand-picked all-white audience respond to a video, I'll be more than happy to . . .
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying."
And does the same go for rhetoric coming from other fundalmentalist churches as well? Say some of the deep southern versions that espouse pure venom and racism from their bully pulpits.
*sigh*
OF COURSE THE SAME GOES FOR THEM!
That's all I'm saying."
I'll NEVER understand folks who sit in any church and believe any rhetoric espoused in the name of God.
That's all I'm saying." - dork
No, that is not even close to all that you were saying. If it was, then why did you bring up Farrakhan? Please explain it to me without just coming out and admitting you were attempting to change the subject to defend Beck's indefensibile nonsense.
Farrahkan received an honor from Trinity Church. Look it up.
Farrahkan REGULARLY calls white people devils.
I can UNDERSTAND why some people, including Beck, could think that Obama had something against "white culture" GIVEN some of the rhetoric out of Obama's "former" church and considering that the church honored Farrahkan.
And, you expect us to believe you have an open mind about anything politically? What a joke. Clearly, you are willing to go even further than Beck is to defend his indefensible race-baiting statements. You are a true-believer, my friend. Stop listening to Beck and Limbaugh, they are killing your brain cells. I don't disagree with you because I believe you are an Uncle Tom or a sell-out or anything else. I disagree with you because your argument carries no merit to reasonable people who are not clouded by the partisan snake-oil nonsense that Beck and Limbaugh are selling.
I just think that the rhetoric that comes out of Obama's "former" church can be considered racist against white people.
I don't think it is complete nonsense to think that since Obama attended the church for TWENTY YEARS, perhaps he shares those sentiments.
I think beck was referring to http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com
"Your question is stupid, so whether it is genuine or not does not matter!"
I hope you're not a school teacher.
After you explain this, then we'll discuss the stupidity of the question.
After you explain this, then we'll discuss the stupidity of the question.
Is that not understandable? Do you think you could go around a bunch of black folks and fit right in? Sure, you might be a "tolerant progressive," but even you might be wary of offending someone.
How about you expand your horizons to see that everyone who has conservative values isn't a racist or an Uncle Tom.
If I lumped you in with those people, my bad.
He's uncomfortable around black people because he claims ""I don't know what would be perceived as racist."
Most of us do know what would be perceived as racist.
Can you not understand how he could be worried about his political ideas being misconstrued as being "racist?"
It is a sad FACT, that simply having certain political ideas can get one labeled these days.
When he goes on Tavis Smiley, and answers all questions without equivocation, I'll give him a pass. Then my head will explode.
My God?! That is how learning takes place--SOMEONE ASKS A QUESTION AND THEN IT IS DISCUSSED.
Yet, all you "tolerant" ones hear is an "ignorant" question?
If it's such a wonderful question with such a wonderful premise, why are you referring to them as black people?
That's all I'm saying.
Still waiting for a definition of what "white culture" is by the way and which parts of it Beck was telling us Obama had a hatred for.
To the contrary, Trinity Church CURRENTLY spouts its divisive BS.
Do you think whites created AIDS to kill blacks? Do you consider yourself to be a devil?
Do you think that you should have to give your money to blacks (Don't get me wrong on this one--I'm black, and I would gladly take your money)?
Well, I am, and you can come here and debate me.
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My screen name is Ong-Black.
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Honestly I'm white and reparations wouldn't bother me a bit. I think America should pay for it's past crimes. Slavery was an extreme human right's violation. I wish I could say that was the worst thing America has ever supported or done, but that would be wrong. I don't think reparations should stop with black people. Indians too deserve reparations. Their ancestors were raped, plundered, pillaged, murdered, etc. when our fore-fathers were taking over land for this nation. Then there are all the various victims of the countless wars we have been a part of, most of them completely without any justification. Reparations should be made to the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the Vietnamese families who burned up in flames in the forests of Vietnam, to the many families who have had predator missiles dropped on them in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq by accident. America probably has a running count of reparations they own that is 100 times the size of the national debt, only we are the dominate power so no one can make us pay. So to answer your question - I don't care about reparations.
The point is Beck is full of BS. He said the racially charged statements, he caused the outcry, and now he's playing victim and trying to turn the tables on the people he offended. Typical Republican propaganda technique - always playing the victim.
You should be ashamed to call yourself an American.
Should the Africans who sold other blacks into slavery pay reparations? Should Indian tribes who conquered and sacrificed other tribes have to pay reparations.
Let's just move on and try to make the best of the FUTURE.
Do you think whites created AIDS to kill blacks?
no.
Do you consider yourself to be a devil?
no.
Did you have a point to go along with this?
Is it really that much of a stretch to think that people with such sentiments might have something against "white culture?"
I've been called "acting white" because I speak proper English (even Michelle Obama said she has experienced the same) so perhaps it's the norms in education and such as well.
I was simply saying that there are many things that could be considered "white culture," and some of them are ridiculous and are NOT unique to one culture.
Tell me, if Bush attended a church for 20 years that preached that homosexuals are attempting to destroy society, would you also defend him, seeing that it was not Bush, but his pastor that spouted the rhetoric?
Bush is an evangelical. Of course, he has attended churches where the pastors believe that homosexuals are destroying society. Not attempting to. Are. Man, you are really out of touch with Southern white evangelicals to even make that ridiculous statement. And, no I would not hang those statements around G-Dub. I would use his own statements against him. Because I am an adult. I don't need to play a game of political tag to make or defend my points.
G-Dub would no more be responsible for crazy things his pastor said than I am responsible for the crazy things I have heard from priests while sitting in a Catholic church pew over the years. But then, I have actual facts and evidence to believe the way I do about people. I don't need to find second-hand associations to try and justify my partisan beliefs. Or worse, to defend the beliefs of entertainers who I believe are political leaders.
Obama did more than sit in the church. He cited Wright as his personal spiritual advisor.
His personal spiritual advisor thinks white people created AIDS to kill blacks.
I'm sure you wouldn't hesitate to look up "racist comments made by Glenn Beck," so maybe you should look up some of Wright's and Farrakhan's comments for yourself.
I listened to some of Rev. Wright's sermons. I do not agree with all of them, and I am a african-american man. I do not call myself black, because I am not the color black, and caucasians shouldn't be called white, which is a lighter skin toned person. The terms white and black I do not agree with and Becky shouldn't agree with it as well if he had any type of intellect. Back to Rev. Wright some things he says I can relate to, because as a african-american man, as yourself we both should understand some things he says is true and false. Becky on the other hand has not said nothing that I can agree with, and until he does he will keep getting a arguement from me.
I don';t agree with EVERYTHING Beck says, but I must admit that he makes some good points about SOME things, and I don't think that he is racist.
That is why you get disagreements from people on this forum. You believe what you believe about Beck and the people on here disagree with what you believe about Beck.
That is why this forum is always open to debate. So from me to you WELCOME!
That's all I'm saying.
You can also feel free to give us some examples of Beck's good points. I know, I know you can't because he's just asking questions. He's not claiming anything. Just asking questions. When Cartman can figure this guy's nonsense out before you can, there's a problem.
Let start with that segment of white culture.
Also, I've read Beck's books, and they aren't filled with a bunch of questions.
I personally don't think that Obama necesarrily believes that, BUT, I don't think it is ridiculous for people to think that he might share those sentiments, after hearing the rhetoric that comes out of that church.
I've been known to stomp the occasional kitten.
It's a good thing for this country that the dems aren't sleazy enough to dig up every person Republicans have ever associated with and then launch guilt-by-association attacks on said republicans.Republicans, on the other hand, have never been shy about taking the low road. As a matter of fact, it is incredible how obsessed the right has become with Bill Ayers and Reverend Right.
This inanity has gone on long enough. You make no sense. Get a life.
Ayway, let's discuss it further here...
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My screen name is Ong-Black.
"Why can't you just call yourself Americans?" Beck asked. Well they were never really considered "real American's" by many Whites.
So therefore they call themselves "Black or African Americans."
"Why can't you just call yourself Americans?" Beck asked. Well they were never really considered "real American's" by many Whites.
So therefore they call themselves "Black or African Americans."
2. Glenn, what would your beloved Founding Fathers have called themselves? What would they have called the members of your audience?
3. Too bad Jews like myself can't just call themselves Americans.
4. When was the last time a White person was confirmed to serve on the Supreme Court or elected President?
If Becky doesn't want to identify as "white" -- despite the fact that he is -- that's his psychosis, er, business . . .
"Some of my best friends are black." ;^]
Don't feed the trolls, guys.
Anyway, I think it's idiotic of him to ask such an ignorant question, when he himself has accused Obama of hating "white people" and "white culture"... and now he's all "we're all Americans, can't we just get along?".
I call bull on that, Beck.