O'Reilly freaks out over Moussaoui trial: "Four years! Four years of bull!"
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What the heck is the GOP problem with that and can democrats bring this little statistic up? It is quite important to the debate.
Give the suspects justice. Let both sides be heard. Let the court come to a just decision. I don't want to hear a whistle and the announcement "times up! Guilty or Not Guilty! Time to move on!"
Anything less is a Show Trial. Who is promoting Communism now?
Let's remember his most famous freak out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5qU4qudJYk
Or this one
Or another one
Best one
And a fight with his producer!
Granted, non-American detainees are afforded less rights than American citizens, but this does not mean that we should forgo the privileges and protections afforded by our system of justice. Webster's defines justice as: "the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action." What BillO is suggesting is nothing more than "street justice" and street justice is not founded on what it right, it is founded on vengeance.
They should have been tried at Gitmo and executed on the spot and have it shown on tv so all can fell justice, but now while the spineless president was in China he announced this crap!?!??
Hey genius, if you are already claiming they should be "executed on the spot and have it shown on tv", then why even have a trial? Why not just skip the formalities?
Why do you hate and distrust the American justice system? You know that Stalin, Mao and Hitler all hated our justice system exactly as you do. In fact, your view is nearly indistinguishable from theirs except they all didn't put it on TV.
I see where some one did something to a child and he has a history of it and still get probation -WHY!!!?!?
These people were caught on a battle field why in the world would the justice system think they should be tried in OUR legal system.
The world will not change their systems for us while we are in their country, got to Mexico and break a law and see what happens.
Even if we show the world how "compassionate" we are and give these terrorists a trial with or legal system I don't think anytime soon they will change their system if we do wrong in that country.
I doubt that we would agree much on "misinterpreting or reinventing of the laws" as I am doubtful of most conservative claims in that area. It seems that a vast majority of the time (if not always) conservatives misrepresent what really happened in most cases. I shudder to think what our justice system would be like if we ever made the changes desired by conservatives.
As for KSM being caught on a battle field, that was not the case. KSM was captured at his home in Pakistan. He will be tried in our justice system because he was behind a crime that occured in America to Americans. We have done this successfully before to organized criminals including mobsters, terrorists and pirates.
Well I am not sure how that matters at all even assuming it were true. I guess you are suggesting we should lower our standards to be like third world countries. You will forgive me for wanting to do just a little better than that.
If these guys are indeed found guilty than you should burn in hell for so quickly abandoning our most cherished principles for the sake of expediency.
To come into a country and slaughter innocent civilians for no apparent reason while the word terrorists is synonymous with your groups name is a different game and the military should be the one handling this case.
The civilian court is the best place to hold these trials. KSM should be treated like the criminal he is and not be elevated to the level of "warrior" as it seems conservatives would prefer. We successfully prosecuted the original WTC attackers, it is time to do the same with the rest.
It would be wise to try Osama Bin Laden in absentia in a civilian court as well IMO.
That is the major difference one is a citizen and the other is not.
These terrorists are criminals. By having a trial we are not going to change them nor could we ever hope to. What is more important is to let the terrorists know they have not succeeded in changing us for the worse. They have not succeeded in dragging us down to their level as some would seem to wish. The President is doing the right thing and for that I am very elated that I voted for him.
You would NEVER see that now would you, and how could a lawyer defend him?!?!?!?
I suppose we are at an impasse on that point as there is no arguing with that level of brainwashing.
As far as a "scum bag lawyer" exposes another conservative misunderstanding of our justice system. Everyone is guaranteed access to a rigorous defense. In fact, one of the valid reasons to declare a mistrial is lousy representation. The idea is tht when the government wins the case it is not due merely to the incompetence of the defense. When we beat KSM it will be because we had a better argument than the defense did and we should have confidence in that.
Assuming that you're a Beck-buddy here, could I presume that your characterization of our president is that he is Joseph Stalin reincarnated precisely because he wants to make healthcare more affordable for the general populace while simultaneously being opposed to extra judicial executions?
I am certainly no sympathizer of the political right but I'm pretty sure George Will would join me in condemning your ignorance.
Ya know, the entire "Gitmo" staff, detention, and operation is kept going by TAXPAYER money.
Again you don't believe that either
Watch CSI sometime. Fictional show, but every nut does have a right to council.
The 14th Amendment in the constitution can answer all the questions you need. READ it sometime!
The problem with this country is all the morons affording OUR hard fought liberties to any and every one who waddles across the border. We have men who have died so we can be free and you think that is a joke.
Just hand it out to everyone even if they don't deserve it, you read the 14th and add your own into it as if it was written for any and everyone.
The master bomb maker- oh wait he died in a suicide bombing.
Riddle me that since you are all lawyers??
As for KSM's peers, that issue has been handled reasonably for ages. As I said before, we have successfully tried internation criminals for a long time. This one will be unique on a few issues - like the fact that we tortured KSM - that may present problems, but the "peer" issue is not one of them.
Fox News Manufacturing just loves ya, though.
Allowing our government to change the rules because they really think someone is guilty this time is unconscionable. Everyone gets the same protections - even those we think are really guilty. Of course we cannot presume to know someone is guilty until they have had a trial. That seems to be the biggest mistake in reasoning (among many) that conservatives often make.
They should have been tried at Gitmo and executed on the spot and have it shown on tv so all can fell justice, but now while the spineless president was in China he announced this crap!?!??" - rugger
This is just a precious level of ignorance. Taxpayer money should not be used on these animals! They should be tried at Gitmo! I wonder who rugger thinks pays for Gitmo? The Cubans? God Almighty? Beck and O'Reilly? This is exactly the same level of lemming-like thought that provoked the right to scream at townhalls, "Keep the government out of my Medicare!". The real sadness comes from the low level of knowledge amongst our own people for basic civics. Stop watching Fox News and listening to hate radio, rugger. You cannot afford to volunteer anymore brain cells to their waste of time.
You and your ilk is what is wrong with this country you have never had to be responsible for anything, you have destroyed the moral compass of this great country in favor of appeasing all of our enemies and those who wish us harm, even as they tell us to our face " no we will use the nuclear for good"
As for appeasing our enemies, that is not what we are doing. We are simply showing that we will not sink to the level of those terrorists as a means to get vengeance. As for your reference to Iran, you are living in the past. Many of our problems cannot be solved unilaterally. We live in a much more integrated world, and if we want to be a leader in that world, then we have to lead and not just go off as the lone wolf whenever we want.
As for your comments to Boxer1979, you couldn't be further from wrong. The Constitution does apply to people under our protection and within our nation's jurisdiction. While the protections are not absolute, many of the protections, such as the writ of habeas corpus, still apply. Just because they were caught on the battlefield, does not mean that they have no rights when brought onto US soil.
As for the 14th Amendment, Section 1 states, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." While the Court has not ruled on whether this applies to all of our nation's territories/land possession, it does apply to the States, and the 5th Amendment applies to the Federal government which reads, "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." So Boxer1979 has a good argument as to why they would have a right to be prosecuted in a court of law.
Now, if you don't like what the 5th and 14th Amendment state, then you can try to change it. However, these Amendments were written by people who I hold great respect for, as I am sure many others do. So good luck changing them.
You just right ahead invading our country and kill us.
By your analysis, whenever anyone enters US soil and has been charged with a crime, they should be found guilty without a trial. The next time you are in another country, ask yourself if that would be such a great idea if every country followed that principle.
Oh and by the way, the Supreme Court is made up of 3 Justices appointed by Democrats and 6 Justices appointed by Republicans, including 2 appointed by Bush himself. The Supreme Court determined that they had a right to a trial. Rather ironic that 2 Republican-appointed Justices would side with the 3 Democratic appointees to create a majority.
It's a good thing SCOTUS is around to do the thinking for people like you because I would hate to see the Constitutional interpretations you would come up with.
What, the WWE isn't on Pay Per View this week?
The reality is O'Reilly don't want former President Bush waterboarding/torture details to be an issue and he want to use this decision as another excuse to criticize and attack President Obama. What else is new?
Wheels of justice are at long last being engaged.
The president is going on another, in a series of, foreign visits.
The connection and political intertwinement is vaporous to my view.
They do seem to be scrieching about these trials with great vigour. What do they fear about these particular legal actions so greatly?
I do not hold a continuing democratic majority in congress as a supreme piority. A Democrat added the amendment on abortion to the house bill. My piority would be to remove these bluedog types of Demoncrats from office.