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On Maddow, author Schaeffer says messages of "doing away with Obama" "pouring out of Fox News" amount to "trawling for assassins"

November 18, 2009 12:26 pm ET

From the November 17 edition of MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show:

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Previously: 

Beck, conservative media use violent rhetoric suggesting White House will retaliate against Fox News and opponents

Military coup fantasy is latest in trend of extremist right-wing rhetoric

A President was killed the last time right-wing hatred ran wild like this

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    • Author by raine315 (November 18, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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      Perfect example is the clip right below- Beck on his radio progam using terms/suggestions like Obama "paying for it" in the "afterlife"
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      • Author by angesam (November 18, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
           
        I watched this interview last night, I have to admit, he frightened me with the facts. I agree with him and feel something awful is going to come from the radical right. When he compared the Taliban and Al Queada to the Radical Evangelicals, with a lot of similarities, then mentioned the killing of the Abortion Doctor, really shook me up.
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      • Author by rkcomments (November 18, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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        It's about time the FCC started monitoring Fox and held it accountable for such messages.
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        • Author by wzwriter (November 18, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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          The FCC can't so anything about Faux News, because it's on cable. However, they CAN pull the licenses of Faux TV stations if the broadcast threats like that on programs like "Faux & Friends" and "Faux News Sunday".
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          • Author by bintx (November 18, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
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            Yes, the FCC CAN do something about Fox.

            There is a complaint form on their website which gives the criteria for their authority over cable "news" programing.

            http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
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      • Author by mjh (November 18, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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        And here's another example . . .

        WARNING: don't listen on an empty stomach:

        pastor in Arizona prays for Obama's death


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        • Author by rugger69 (November 18, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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          But reverend Wright can say that all the hate speech he wants about America, whites and spread back liberation theology which is a out and out lie. Your alright with this nonsense?!!?!?
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      • Author by Lizinbklyn (November 18, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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        Who says it better than Rev. Schaeffer and who should know better??

        He says these crazies 'are the drunk at the end of the train filled with 100 rational people'!!

        Rachel should have given Rev. Schaeffer more time; his points were valid. WHERE are all the voters to counter the lies of these extremists??
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    • Author by Midnight Kevin (November 18, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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      Where will all these people be if something were to ever occur? The Republicans need to reign in their fringe...
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      Mum Is The Word
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      • Author by DAWUSS (November 18, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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        Calling said people liberals. Distancing themselves from them. Crying context, First Amendment, and witch hunt.
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      • Author by mycos2679 (November 18, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
           
        Unfortunately, for America and everyone concerned, the "fringe"is now running the show. A number of people, like Max Blumenthal in his recently released "Republican Gomorrah", document this takeover. Perhaps most frighteningly is that they fit well with the decades of research Altemeyer has been doing on authoritarianism, and documented in his e-book and web-page "The Authoritarians".
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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (November 18, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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        There's no one left but the fringe. All the adults are gone.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 18, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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      Somebody finally has the courage to say it. the Law Of Unintended Consequences of suggestive language. Guys carrying guns to public events is no accient.tantamount to having troops at Kent State ostensibly tppreserve peace. Cameras at every street corner ostensibly toprevent crime.
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (November 18, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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        Somebody finally has the courage to say it. the Law Of Unintended Consequences of suggestive language.

        With all due respect, I think in many cases we are beyond Unintended Consequences. The intent is quite clear, i.e. "trawling for assassins".

        To view the use of Scripture against Obama through a secular lense is to ignore the potency of the message. Pat Boone wrote a recent piece at Newsmax where he used a "parable" of tenting or gassing the Whitehouse to exterminate the vermin within. The use of Scripture and Biblical imagery is a deliberate call for intervention to those who have a strong connection with the Word of God as represented and interpreted in the Bible. This is Taliban methodology using Christian doctrine.

        This is, in my view, very scary stuff. Rev. Schaeffer is making this point.
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        • Author by phredicles (November 18, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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          Agreed - they've been remarkably blatant about trying to stir up the crazies.

          The unintended consequences, on the other hand, are the crazies they agitate who then attack random people they think are liberal, as in the incidents in Pittsburgh, Tennessee, etc.
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          • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (November 18, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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            The unintended consequences, on the other hand, are the crazies they agitate who then attack random people they think are liberal, as in the incidents in Pittsburgh, Tennessee, etc.


            Yes, I see your point phred. You just kicked my fear up a notch.
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    • Author by knowhelpnow (November 18, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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      I watched this and he said what I have been thinking since President Obama was elected, when all this hate filled stuff started coming out well it started before when he was running but has really been real bad since he was elected.
      What sort of moral majority of Christians are these people; they are very scary to me and I'm sure that the Secret Service are having a very hard time keeping this President safe not to mention his family.
      These people are crazy and Fox so called News just loves to keep them riled up, the only good thing about this whole thing is that normal people are pretty much staying away from the Republican party.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 18, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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        We have shed some friendshipsat our church. I have always questioned motives in the more extreme christianity, specially those voicing " holier than thou " opinions, "hiking the Appalachial trail " liars, DC Madam legislator customers,an others I could fillthis particular thread with.
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        • Author by fairliberal (November 19, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
             
          "hiking the Appalachial trail " liars, DC Madam legislator customers,an others I could fillthis particular thread with"

          You must have been really upset with Hillary Clinton and Elliot Spitzer and others I could fill this particular thread with.
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    • Author by SMTDL (November 18, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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      This religious rhetoric as a justification for violence is exactly what radical muslim jihadists are doing do.Mr.Schaeffer said it very well in the entire clip(see MSNBC TV).How can true Christians not speak out on how this is just plain wrong!?I hope its not too late to avoid some bloodshed but somebodyis going to feel justified when hearing so called religious people say stuff like this!!
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    • Author by Kid Funkadelic (November 18, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
         
      Now Bible passages are used as "dog whistles":


      There’s a new slogan making its way onto car bumpers and across the Internet. It reads simply: "Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8"

      A nice sentiment?

      Maybe not.

      The psalm reads, "Let his days be few; and let another take his office."

      Presidential criticism through witty slogans is nothing new. Bumper stickers, t-shirts, and hats with "1/20/09" commemorated President Bush’s last day in office.

      But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: "Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow."
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 18, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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      On Maddow, author Schaeffer says messages of "doing away with Obama" "pouring out of Fox News" amount to "trawling for assassins"

      That message coming from the son and one of the founders of the Christian Right Movement, you better beileve it!

      They have bumper stickers, and teddy bears with the presidents name and a bible script written down! SAD!
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (November 18, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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      "they're not crazy, they're deluded" - Schaeffer

      Great line.
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    • Author by rtdavis11200 (November 18, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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      The country needs more Americans to help the uneducated who are getting brainwashed by the Fox gang to open their eyes and realize that Obama is not the enemy but Beck and the boys are.


      Beck can care less about the poor and uneducated. He has become a millionare by playing poor white people against all minorities.

      That game is wearing thin. His day is coming.

      Speak truth to Power.
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      • Author by achrispage6992 (November 18, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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        I agree wholeheartedly. Narcissists such as Beck are their own worst enemy. Somehow Limbaugh and O'Reilly survived after the public was shown what kind of people they really are. The difference here though, is that Beck teeters on the edge of inciting civil unrest. Limbaugh and O'Reilly are just loud mouth hypocrites with varying degree of influence (Limbaugh more so than most in terms of the direction of the GOP).

        But, Beck, as I said, is a different animal. He came real close to showing us his Leopard spots, when he called the President a racist and claimed he hated white people. He was walking the edge of the razor that time. He knows how dangerously close he was to ruining himself. That being said, I think he realizes the potential of him being a catalyst for some crazy person doing the unthinkable. That is why he constantly indicates that he is against violence but he knows the kind of people he is reaching. He's got people digging bunkers in their back yards and buying up emergency food deals. These are the kinds of people who are just one suggestion away from being no different than some Muslim strapping on C-4 and walking on a crowded bus in Isreal.

        The fact that Beck is compelled to cover himself with pleadings of non-violence to his audience is evidence enough for me to realize that Beck knows who's attention he is grabbing. Of course, that is Becks cross to bear and believe you me, that day of reckoning is not a far fetched idea any longer.

        I amend all my earlier thoughts on Beck. I truly believe he and his ilk are extremely dangerous people. I know Nazi comparisons are a dime a dozen, but if you want to see the early roots of Nazism look no further than a man who preaches doom to his flock. This doom he foresees is the fault of a particular group of people. It is the intense love of country (Nationalism) which he calls out for as a rallying cry to stop the people who are destroying his country. Please, someone, convince me that Beck doesn't mimic the thought patterns and ideology of a certain few who lived in 1929 Germany.
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        • Author by dragonfly967 (November 19, 2009 11:53 am ET)
             
          achrispage6992, this is an excellent point, but I have to say I believe O'Reilly is every bit as intent on fomenting violence as Beck - he dedicated no fewer than 29 of his TV and radio shows inciting people to kill Dr Tiller, even to the point where he said he'd like to kill Dr Tiller himself. As soon as Tiller was murdered, O'Reilly of course started shouting the "Not responsible for crazies!" rhetoric that no doubt Beck would resort to if one of his viewers harmed someone. There was a great article on Firedoglake.com where one of the bloggers put forth a question to reporters attending NewsCorps recent shareholder meeting asking what NewsCorps ROI was on inciting violence, and who would be held accountable if violence occurred at one of their "Tea Parties".
          http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/12882
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    • Author by epkklk851 (November 18, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
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      I first noticed Rev. Schaeffer back in June, when Rachel had him on. I went through a Born-Again Christian phase as a teen, back in the 1970s. It was such a negative experience that it left me with a deep and abiding distrust of anyone and anything that claims to be "Christian." Please, don't get me wrong, there are good and decent people who are Christians, but there are a lot of really bad, deluded apples out there and the rest of us need to be careful. Thinking that God is on your side, and He wants you to make radical changes and that only you or your group have the truth is not very Christ like and could be really dangerous for yourself and others. So the next time you hear one of the Bible-thumpers talking about how Obama is the Anti-Christ, realize they probably mean it, and they will justify any actions against the President based on it.
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    • Author by WildcatProgressive (November 18, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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      I'm guessing Schaeffer just made BillO's "pinhead" today. Quite frankly, he should be proud if he gets it. I almost always like the pinheads.
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    • Author by PhuckPHOX (November 19, 2009 1:06 am ET)
         
      I think he's absolutely right. People like Beck are stirring up the crazies. Just the fact that Beck feels the need to protect himself by advocating non-violence against the President makes it pretty obvious that they know exactly what they're doing.

      That being said, I absolutely love the immature conservative troll in this thread giving everyone the phantom thumbs-down without bothering to actually discuss the issues.
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