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Fox News' Skinner issues apology for fake Palin crowd video

November 19, 2009 12:50 pm ET

From the November 19 edition of Fox News' Happening Now:

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    • Author by mwjarv (November 19, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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      Someone needs to tell Glen Beck to do one of those chalkboard segments on Fox and their use of the wrong videos.
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    • Author by marlon (November 19, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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      isnt this the second time in a week they've gotten busted by olbermann or the daily show for their file tapes. LOL. These guys are so funny. Im glad Media Matters watches cause i cant stomach them on my television. I wouldn't dare give them a 1 sec rating.
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    • Author by Razster (November 19, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
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      It's only wrong if your caught.
      Seems like Fox News is being caught more and more... That's just wrong.
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 19, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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      Ruh roh. I hope Fox didn't issue this apology without first clearing it with the MM trolls, geniuses that they are.
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    • Author by Bad News (November 19, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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      I didn't mean to use a One Year Old File Tape?
      What's next an Accidental Vid of Charlton Heston in "Planet of the Apes"
      I guess Fox News keeps a Vid of Sarah Palin making a Presidential Campaign Speech at the Ready?
      The Facts? They can be Twisted & Contorted like Grandma's Spaghetti.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by MickD (November 19, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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        The Scenario:

        Blond Anchor: Fox News now takes you to a Tea Bagger rally in New York City...

        VIDEO

        Chuck at the foot of the Statue of Liberty: You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! g*ddamn you all to hell!
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        • Author by Bad News (November 19, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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          MickD,

          If that happened Fox News would accidentally show a Vid of King Kong.


          Mr. News
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      • Author by MissDee (November 19, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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        Just like MMFA using Old and "never said" quotes to do a hatchet job on Rush Linbaugh? I note that they waited until Rush was denied an ownership share before they laughingly admited that the crap they presented wasn't even true. Of course MMFA NEVER screws up- they are disningenuous (read that as lie) on purpose.

        Liberals will exuse anything from tax cheating WH advisors and cabinet members, to Acorn caught on tape enabling tax evasion, human trafficking, white slavery and illegal immigration, as long as it's a radical leftist perfroming the misdeed. A plausible mistake from anything or anyone conservative is considered worthy is never accepted. Hypocrisy is obviously the strong suite of liberalism.
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        • Author by snoopy (November 19, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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          I knew you'd eventually crawl out from under the rock to toss another bomb after your racist fascist news channel got busted over and over again lying. Too bad your sour grapes rants can never be backed up with something as simple as a posted fact...
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        • Author by mattcable250650 (November 19, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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          No one ever claimed ACORN was completely innocent of those tapes. What the ACORN President says and what liberals agree with is that the people who were caught represent a very tiny minority of the ACORN employees.
          Proof? The story about ACORN essentially came to a dead halt after the amusing little tale of the pimp and prostitute sting operation wound out. The duo entrapped a few people into saying stupid things and that was that.
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        • Author by tman418 (November 19, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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          Please explain your "white slavery" allegation, MissDee.
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (November 19, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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      Perfectly simple mistake...

      Just like saying there were 700,000 people at the anti-healthcare rally instead of 7,000.

      Yeah, we believe you.

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    • Author by dmhack (November 19, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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      So, let me get this straight---you just happened to have campaign footage handy in the control room when you ran the tease and what, somebody pressed the wrong button?

      That means you had the campaign footage racked up to go for the next segment. That kind of makes sense, but only if you ran the campaign footage during the segment. Did ya?
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 19, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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        The problem is that yesterday they claimed that they had different verbiage planned that actually went with the file footage of Palin campaigning last year.

        I brought up two relevant points on another thread last night - why have campaign footage for a story about a book signing, and how did all the rightwing trolls think that MMFA catching them at this mistake/deception mean that MMFA was bad?

        And just a reminder, this was their excuse last night....

        "This was a production error in which the copy editor changed a script and didn't alert the control room to update the video,'' Michael Clemente, senior vice president of news at FOX, sad this evening. "There will be an on-air explanation during Happening Now on Thursday."

        So, which is it? Did you intend to show this video that has nothing to do with the book signing with different words, and then change the copy, but not change the video, like you said last night? Or as you say today, did you mistakenly air file footage that you never intended to show?

        Both can't be true. And what we see by the changing excuses is that neither is true.
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 19, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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      The inverse of Fox's pattern of apologizing for so-called "honest mistakes"


        Katie Couric apologizes for doing a story about Sarah Palin with video of Pinnochio and his amazing growing nose
        Anderson Cooper apologizes for doing a story on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage with video of The Three Stooges
        Keith Olbermann apologizes for doing a story on Dick Cheney with video of Darth Vader
        Rachel Maddow apologizes for doing a story on George W. Bush with video of Gomer Pyle


      Of course, all of these are fictional because the other networks are legitimate news organizations.
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      • Author by jmariemo (November 19, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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        I disagree. Cheney is the Dark Lord Sith. If we are going by Star Wars plot lines here (and we better be), Cheney cannot be Vader. Bush is Darth Vader. Bush even has a set of twins! (Woah, the parallels are getting a little freaky. I wonder which one is Luke...ideas? I'm thinking Barbara.)
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    • Author by jmariemo (November 19, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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      How can live footage be mistaken with archived footage? I'm bewildered, Fox.
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      • Author by dr. engine (November 19, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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        I think when it reaches the show cart, all the tapes are labeled to go according to the blocks the story appears in. The tape operator at that point would have no way of knowing what's fresh footage and what's file footage.

        Either way, as I said in the original post of this story on MMFA, there would have been a font loaded into the chyron saying "FILE" or "June 2008" or some other identifier. And dmhack is correct, this footage was ON the show cart, which means they INTENDED to use the footage. So I understand why they didn't font the video on-air (b/c it was rolled during a tease), but I'm not sure why it was on the show cart if they had fresh footage.
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        • Author by MickD (November 19, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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          Again, because they got caught, they apologize. The Stewart outing was more influential than we think. The chyronites are shaking in their sell-out boots.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 19, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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          And dmhack is correct, this footage was ON the show cart, which means they INTENDED to use the footage.
          Do they still use carts? I'm guessing the footage is all on computer drives now, where it can be called up immediately when needed. That would explain the"mistake" better, if it really was a mistake. Someone probably mislabeled the file on purpose so the show hosts would have plausible deniability.
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          • Author by dr. engine (November 19, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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            You could be right. I was last in broadcast journalism in 2003, so they might have gone to a Louth automation system where they upload the videos digitally through a program. Either way, the video wouldn't be there on accident, and there would be accompanying font information.
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            • Author by hoosier (November 19, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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              What is wrong with airing a tease of Sarah Palin before you go to commercial with file footage of a campaign rally and say that when they come back they'll report on the book-signing, and then show the footage of the book signing. Simple mistake.


              What doesn't make sense from your accusations is the the book signing footage showed more people than the campaign rally footage did.

              Liberals blogs are waging a push to have people write in to the FCC over this?

              Yeesh.
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              • Author by snoopy (November 19, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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                Sure it was a simple mistake. And putting a (D) after the names of republicans in trouble, that was a simple mistake too. And overcounting by 630,000 at the teabagger march, just another simple mistake. And overestimating the crowds at bachmanns' b!tch fest, that too, a simple mistake. It's just amazing how often one so-called news organization makes sooo many simple mistakes. I guess you'd have to be a real simpleton to be so lenient about that kind of incompetance, but then you'd have to be - you're voting republican!
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              • Author by mattcable250650 (November 19, 2009 5:13 pm ET)
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                Had Fox News said that they were doing that, that'd be one thing. Looking at the script of what the TV announcers were saying, it was clear that Fox was trying to present the 2008 campaign footage as though they were presenting crowds at Palin's 2009 book-signing tour.
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                • Author by hoosier (November 19, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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                  mattcable and snoopy,

                  Please explain why showing footage of two completely different Palin rallies like they did, with Palin miraculously changing outfits, in which neither of them can you see more than 15 people at the most, would be preferable to showing a video of the actual book signing that had crowd estimates of 1,500 - 2,000 people.

                  How is that deception? The only case of deception you could make is that Fox was trying to downplay the crowd size by showing the old footage.

                  Go back up and look at the footage Fox ran up above and then go look at their actual footage of the book signing and you'll see. You won't apologize and neither will MMFA, but maybe you'll see.

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                  • Author by snoopy (November 19, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
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                    And why is fox apologizing for screwing up? Oh, that's right, because they got caught lying. God, even your fuhrer's news organization knows they can't fool the masses, they can only fool their @sses.
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              • Author by recbeck (November 19, 2009 8:31 pm ET)
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                When accidents happen over and over at FOX...it's no longer and accident. Please don't be so naive as to believe they don't intend to make the crowds look larger than they are.
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                • Author by hoosier (November 20, 2009 7:26 am ET)
                     
                  They DIDN"T make the crowds look larger than they were, recbeck. Not at all.

                  There was video from at least two different rallies, and in neither one can you count more than 15 people in the background.

                  The video they later showed of the book signing crowd showed far more people.

                  The whole narrative of this deception allegation is seriously FLAWED.
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      • Author by dimes (November 19, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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        Of course they meant to mislead people with that footage. The only reason they're apologizing is because the shots the news producer approved for air were so obviously dated, the ploy was caught immediately.
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        • Author by hoosier (November 19, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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          Check the tape, dimes. At most you see 10-15 people in the background at the campaign rally.

          How is it an attempt to mislead by showing such few people when there were reports estimated at 1,500 to 2,000. And Jarret said they were already "lining up'. If the intent was there to mislead why would he say "lining up" when the people in the background on the campaign file footage were bunched together in a crowd? That's not lining up.

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          • Author by dimes (November 19, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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            What Jarrett said was, "These are some of the pictures just coming in to us" over a shot of Palin standing in front of a crowd of people (not the shot of Palin at a podium).

            Had he not identified the footage as being brand-new, this wouldn't be an issue. But he did, inadvertent or not. And when you tell people you're presenting news, that matters.
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            • Author by hoosier (November 19, 2009 7:30 pm ET)
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              Did you listen to Skinner in the tape above? He thought they were going to show the footage from the book signing but they put in the teaser footage of the campaign rally before they went to commercial. If he shows the actual footage of the rally before they go to commercial people change channels because they've already seen it.
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              • Author by snoopy (November 19, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
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                I guess it's much easier for fox to admit they were wrong than it is for you to do so. Gooooood puppy!
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 19, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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      Fox News' Skinner issues apology for fake Palin crowd video

      Appology not accepted. I rather LMAO!
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    • Author by Sks1 (November 19, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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      here foxnews goes again using their own stupidity in thinking they can fool the american people with this year old footage,,,no one believes that twice in 2 weeks fox made a video error...just admit the lies and distortions that your programming does each day Mr Murdoch and Mr Ailes...fox should be viewed as just what it is,,,a gossip propaganda network working in concert with the republican party period
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    • Author by OldHill (November 19, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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      she's right I believe. the video that they showed in no way suggested that there were a big crowd. it can only be a minor mistake and they gain nothing so there was no motivation at all to do that. and as you may have seen other networks have already shown big crowd of Palin supporters. However when you're running something live mistakes can happen.
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      • Author by bintx (November 19, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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        Wow . . . just wow. Fox has an established pattern of these sorts of "mistakes" and you still believe their crap? WOW!

        No wonder you watch them.

        [shaking head]
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    • Author by ProgLib (November 19, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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      you didnt mean to mislead anybody?

      suuuure you did.
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