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Extortion? Breitbart threatens to release more tapes during election unless DOJ investigates ACORN

November 19, 2009 10:11 pm ET

From the November 19 edition of Fox News' Hannity:

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HANNITY: And there's another aspect to this that is becoming part of the gubernatorial race out in California as it relates to the laws out there. Jerry Brown, who's looking for the Democratic nomination, Andrew, apparently had a staff member that was involved in a taping that they believed is illegal, they chose not to prosecute, but now they may go after you guys. Would that be hypocrisy?

BREITBART: Well, there's a lot of hypocrisy, and the dust has settled for ACORN, and at the end of the day, they've recognized that Eric Holder, the attorney general, has not initiated an investigation into ACORN after we now have seven tapes. There were five initially that came out. ACORN was defunded by the Senate, was defunded by the House, lost its link to the census. While all that damage occurred, Congress didn't come in to investigate them, obviously not the attorney general's office, and they've now realized, "let's get back into -- to get back into business," because they realize that the dust settled and they were not being investigated. It was Hannah, James and me who were being investigated. That's why we've been forced to offer this latest tape.

HANNITY: Well, are you saying, Andrew, that there are more tapes?

BREITBART: Oh, my goodness, there are. Not only are there more tapes, it's not just ACORN. And this message is to --

HANNITY: Wow. 

BREITBART: -- Attorney General Holder. I want you to know that we have more tapes, it's not just ACORN, and we're going to hold out until the next election cycle. Or else, if you want to do a clean investigation, we will give you the rest of what we have, we will comply with you, we will give you the documentation we have from countless ACORN whistleblowers who want to come forward but are fearful of this organization and the retribution, that they fear that this is a dangerous organization. So if you get into an investigation, we will give you the tapes. If you don't give us the tapes, we will revisit these tapes come election time.

HANNITY: This is a blockbuster, what you're saying here. This -- that you guys have more tapes, you'll release them before the election, that could have a big impact on the election, obviously.

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    • Author by Bad News (November 19, 2009 10:19 pm ET)
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      Ummmm, That's Obstruction of Justice.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 10:36 am ET)
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        No its not, you are implying that there is an investigation. What are they obstructing?
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        • Author by RKAllen (November 20, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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          Considering that they are accusing ACORN of willing participation in illegal child prostitution then what reasonable person would sit on that kind of information/evidence if they could report it to the authorities and put a stop to it.

          If their are children who could be in danger, as this group alleges, then why would they possibly not come forward with that information if they are so concerned that underage children are being sold into servitude and international sex rings?

          Why are they appearing on t.v. and not going to the district attorneys office or the police?

          What kind of people would hold on to that kind of information FOR A YEAR just to try and effect an election when, by their assertion, children are being sold and bought?
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          • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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            "Considering that they are accusing ACORN of willing participation in illegal child prostitution then what reasonable person would sit on that kind of information/evidence if they could report it to the authorities and put a stop to it."

            No they are not, they are showing a willingness on acorn's part in assiting others to break the law.

            Your post shows a lack of knowledge about what happened here.
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            • Author by RKAllen (November 20, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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              James O'Keefe himself has called it the "ACORN child prostitution investigation." Those are his own words.
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            • Author by open_mind (November 20, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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              But an alleged "willingness on acorn's part in assiting[sic] others to break the law" is not against the law as these numnuts have presented their "case" so far. I say fire away! Show us all of the video. Show the complete and unedited video of everything. There is no fact that I fear (as Jefferson would put it). The real question is why the unedited video of every interaction with acorn has not already been put out?
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              • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
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                Oh , I see, so your values allow an organization to formulate a business model based on abetting lawbreakers. The fact that this behavior has stretched all across the country in 6 or 7 (that we know of) acorn offices show a pattern of corruption that warrants further investigation. That is what is being called for. That is clearly justified by the tapes. And I wonder why it is OK for MMFA to edit their clips that they present daily , after all if it is wrong for these people why is it acceptable for the dweebs at MMFA. I see no outrage over their use of the very same methods.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
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                  When did the unedited tapes get released? I still have not seen them yet. Oh, they never have and never will be. What a joke.
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                  • Author by fairliberal (November 21, 2009 12:49 am ET)
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                    Actually you and your ilk are the jokes , you deny what your eyes can clearly see. Can you deny that if those tapes were of a republican group that you would be calling for their heads.

                    But like I said why are the edited clips that the dweebs at MMFA present daily acceptable to you and not these? Why not explain that.
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                    • Author by RKAllen (November 21, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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                      The video footage does not show intent on the part of ACORN or its employees to commit any kind of illegal act. Now I said intent here, not what you see "with your own eyes." If I was the defending attorney for each of these employees I would advise each and every one of them that in the case of James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, that they had humored them as long as they could until they could end the consultation.

                      The burden of proof would then be on James and Hannah to prove intent on the part of the employees, which a video tape cannot capture in this case. They would need more... alot more. A paper trail of some kind to prove that these employees pursued the purposed illegal activity. They have no more evidence beyond these recordings, and these recording provide no proof that as employees of ACORN that they had pursued anything beyond the consultation.

                      I think this is most easiy demonstrated on the part of ACORN in the most previous tape where the employee clearly... CLEARLY... states that for the couple to have any business with ACORN that it must be "legitimate." That alone exhonorates ACORN of any wrong doing and shows that the employees who were terminated were consulting the pair beyond anything that ACORN does, on their own. This tape also makes O'Keefe a liar.
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          • Author by amgonna (November 20, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
               
            These people have given enough videos to allow ACORN to hang thenselves. However, the only result is denial, threat of lawsuit, and ignoring the evidence. I'm all for them saying we have more...clean up your act or we'll continue to haunt you from now on. The next election cycle sounds like a good time to me. Clean up corruption in all areas of this political mess. AMGONNA
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (November 19, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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      You have nothing, that is why ACORN is not being investigated.

      And, all Holder has to do is subpoena the tapes, you slimeball. It isn't up to you.
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      • Author by ReasonAndResolve (November 19, 2009 10:24 pm ET)
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        The drive-by coward has struck with his thumb down, again. The only time it goes up is when he is sitting on it...
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 9:33 am ET)
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        He can't supoena the tapes unless he is conducting an investigation. It's too bad you don't believe your own eyes.

        The 2nd thumbs down is mine.

        But one question, why do you libs only whine about thumbs down that goes against other libs, when they are given to cons you say nothing. I guess with you it is not the principle, that is not the least bit surprising.
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        • Author by shaggles (November 20, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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          Not true. I've questioned why reasonable conservative comments have received thumbs down on more than one occassion.
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          • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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            Well a tip of the hat to you, but you are the exception. But it is interesting to see how you phrase your comment. You are essentially saying that if someone deems a comment to be unreasonable it is OK for a drive by thumbs down. Perhaps the drive by thumbs down person in this case deemed the comment to be unreasonable. Fair is fair, right?
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            • Author by shaggles (November 20, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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              I'm not going to jump in and defend someone who is name calling or being otherwise inflammatory. That's what I consider unreasonable and deserving of a thumbs down if they get one.
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    • Author by caels (November 19, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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      Just to comment on the ACORN funding lawsuit.

      The Congressional Research Office largely agreed that the Defund ACORN Act would be incredibly difficult to rationalize as having a "non-punitive regulatory purpose" and thus could qualify as a bill of attainder. They concluded their analysis with:

      "Thus, it appears, that a court may have a sufficient basis to overcome the presumption of constitutionality, and find that the proposed Defund ACORN Act violates the prohibition against bills of attainder."

      The CRO legal analysis can be found here: http://volokh.com/files/acornattainder.pdf

      So, it's a bit more complicated then "hahahah ACORN thinks they deserve our money hahahaha" that Hannity and conservatives like to reduce it too.

      But then again, I'm sure the Congressional Research Office has already been infiltrated by ACORN.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (November 19, 2009 10:31 pm ET)
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      Like that's going to work. It worked SOOOO well in '08.

      What a maroon
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    • Author by Publius39 (November 19, 2009 10:47 pm ET)
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      Do they realize that if those tapes really exposed anything, that the DOJ would have taken care of the situation by now. I've seen some of these tapes, and Hannity and the rest of the Faux Noise heads would be proud of the doctoring that is done. These people at Big Government should be ashamed of themselves.

      BTW, Hannity should be ashamed that he was given life.
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 21, 2009 12:59 am ET)
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        There is no evidence to support your claim, there was an investigation scheduled by Conyers. Pelosi saw to it that it never happened. And Holder will do all he can to protect his boss, perhaps the strategies that we have seen were developed by Obama when he worked with acorn. Who knows, it is surely possible. Only an investigation will answer those questions. I guess transparency was only a campaign slogan to Obama and his cronies.

        Doctored tapes, what a joke, I guess they had ventriloquists putting words in the acorn reps mouths.
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    • Author by jbraskin4786 (November 19, 2009 10:54 pm ET)
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      Go ahead, Andrew. Make our day.
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    • Author by pilotx (November 19, 2009 11:24 pm ET)
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      So he wants to interfere with an election. Hmmmmmmm, that certainly sounds illegal. Well, if they can't win elections by campaigning and convincing voters that they have the better ideas might as well leak some tapes that might somehow affect the outcome. Either you have enough evidence to prosecute or you don't, why hold the voters and an election as ransom. Stay classy guys.
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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        "So he wants to interfere with an election. Hmmmmmmm, that certainly sounds illegal"

        Illegal? Hardly, exposing the truth about an organization is anything but illegal, it is informative and a public service to the electorate. It is too bad you want to deny the truth.
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        • Author by RKAllen (November 20, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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          Actually, you should think for a moment who we are talking about here. Their latest tape release was the most heavily edited and had the audio completely dropped with only O'Keefe's dialogue and then his own explanations of what the employees were saying. It wasn't taken seriously by anybody at all. Not even Fox, who used the term, "heavily edited."

          Now imagine the same situation on the eve of an election. It's intent would be obviously to smear their opponents while offering poor if any proof at all that cannot be debated or investigated in a timely manner. That kind of thing could very well be construed as attempting to tamper with a Federal Election, and since they have claimed that this is their intent, it would be VERY illegal.

          They are attempting to hold a gun to the heads of our DoJ and to Eric Holder in particular. In a word, extortion. They want these videos to force a congressional hearing, but all that they show is that ACORN obviously has some internal issues to work out in the lowest levels of their organization. There is no evidence of criminal behavior on the part of ACORN and that is just killing the wonder Trio, the far right, and obviously you.

          In Breibart's own words... (listen to the desperation)
          ACORN was defunded by the Senate, was defunded by the House, lost its link to the census. While all that damage occurred, Congress didn't come in to investigate them, obviously not the attorney general's office, and they've now realized, "let's get back into -- to get back into business," because they realize that the dust settled and they were not being investigated. It was Hannah, James and me who were being investigated. That's why we've been forced to offer this latest tape.
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          • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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            "heir latest tape release was the most heavily edited and had the audio completely dropped with only O'Keefe's dialogue "

            False. the acorn rep repeatedly spoke. Apparently you didn't see it. And of course MMFA doesn't want the truth either, they will never present them.

            Next time try watching the tape before you speak.
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            • Author by RKAllen (November 20, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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              You are correct. You are refering to the latest released tape, in which the ACORN employee clearly says, "ACORN doesn't do anything illegitimate." And then later reasserts that same statement by saying that any business they do with ACORN must be "legitimate."

              Just to show you that I am not getting this from a left wing site, here is an article posted by Fox news about the latest tape.

              That tape? Because I was refering to the one with the woman who filed the police report. As of yet, I have not seen a version of that tape unedited and with full audio. If there is more to this story then I would be glad to look at it, Fairliberal. Please provide a link.
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              • Author by pilotx (November 20, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
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                Why is Fairliberal asserting that myself and "libs" don't want the truth to come out? Nothing could be further from the truth. I do not condone illegal activity especially when it comes to our elections. Too many people have died for my right to vote and I don't want any shenanegans whatsoever. I want honest and open fair elections. If there is evidence against ACORN then in the words of GWB "bring it on". If they do not have proper evidence then drop the whole matter and stop trying to influence an election for the GOP. This is extortion plain and simply and threatening to influence an election is downright un-American. There is no defense for this type of crap.
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    • Author by Handyman (November 20, 2009 12:09 am ET)
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      We will trade you 10 privately taped conversations between Mr. Rove and President Bush for your tapes - no wait - we will trade you all the waterboards and drills used in detainee intergations for your tapes - no wait - we will trade you all the testimony of the Blackwater Scandel for your tapes - no wait - we will not take President Bush to trial for allowing torture - no wait - we will tell the historians not tell our country that President Bush was absent from duty 34% of the time he was in office for your tapes - no wait - we will not explain to the country that the redistribution of wealth has already happened for your tapes - no wait - we will not disclose the names of the people brought to just in the ongoing investigation of offshore tax havens thereby making the public aware of why our country is in such an economic crisis for your tapes - no wait - on second thought just do what you want the tapes.
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      • Author by marlon (November 20, 2009 1:24 am ET)
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        LOL. Classic.
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 9:46 am ET)
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        I love how you will accept the guilt of Blackwater as fact, you have no visual evidence there, but yet deny the guilt of acorn where you can see their guilt with your own eyes.

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        • Author by Handyman (November 20, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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          You missed the whole point, it went right over your head. We really don't give a s**t about the tapes. If they are guilty of breaking the law they should be held accountable. We only ask that they be put on the bottom of the list and wait their turn. Why should their concerns take precedent over other issues where breaking of the law may have also taken place? To address their concerns at this time would only serve to avert the focus from past allegations to present allegations.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 20, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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          That's the lefts MO...If it's associated with our military, they MUST be guilty. No evidence needed, just accusations.

          They have malfeasance recorded and a track record to go with it. How about lets see some of the work Barry did for acorn? That would be good outhouse reading.
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          • Author by Handyman (November 20, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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            Has nothing to do with favoring one branch of government over another, it has to do with the Principal that older claims should be addressed first and have more seniority than newer claims. This Principal is used everyday all over the world.

            When you can't book a ticket on a flight to the Bahama's your name is put on a waiting list for the next available seat. Those that put their name on the list first have prioty over those that put their name on the list last.

            When you go to the bank on Friday afternoons to cash your payroll check (if you lucky enough to have one) you take your place in line and wait your turn you don't try and crowd in line do you?

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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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            Blackwater is not our military TBag Slickens. I know you love to cheap-shot soldiers that actually fight and kill for their country. You have done it over and over again with Kerry. But, your lack of understanding is stunning.
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    • Author by marlon (November 20, 2009 1:19 am ET)
         
      Awww poor babies dont like being sued. Thats what they get, what goes around comes around.
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    • Author by robard (November 20, 2009 1:54 am ET)
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      From the Columbia Encyclopedia: extortion, in law, unlawful demanding or receiving by an officer, in his official capacity, of any property or money not legally due to him. Examples include requesting and accepting fees in excess of those allowed to him by statute or arresting a person and, with corrupt motives, demanding money or property unlawfully under pretense of duty. The taking of money or property is generally an essential element of the crime. In most states of the United States, extortion is more widely defined to include the obtaining of money or property of another by inducing his consent through wrongful use of fear, force, or authority of office;

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    • Author by Civic Racecar (November 20, 2009 1:55 am ET)
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      I still have no idea what Acorn is supposed to be investigated for? I can understand an audit being done to determine if money was mismanaged, but other than that, what is there to investigate? Acorn committed no crimes while they were being videotaped. The only one who committed crimes was James, the guy that videotaped the Acorn employees. So I'm not sure why they are complaining about Acorn officials not being arrested and charged when James was the only one who actually broke the law.
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 9:47 am ET)
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        I still have no idea what Acorn is supposed to be investigated for?

        And I guess you admire their ethics and willingness to assist in breaking the law? Such fine people.
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        • Author by Civic Racecar (November 20, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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          So what you're saying is that, simply because some people were unethical, they should be thrown in jail. That is an entirely ignorant view of the law. Unethical behavior does not necessarily mean that the behavior is unlawful.

          Now I am not saying that what these individuals did was correct, but the fact of the matter is that a willingness to assist other in committing fraud is not a crime. If James returned, filled out the forms and the Acorn employees sent them in, that would be fraud and an investigation would be warranted.

          All you have done, fairliberal, is to come here and attempt to say that I am ethically bankrupt simply because I am looking at the legal arguments made by James and Breitbart. If you had read my full post and responded to the entire post rather than just selecting a small section and attempting to discredit me, you would have noticed that I said that an audit was appropriate. However, you did not. You only sought to discredit a valid argument by attacking the character of the author, something that you do on a regular basis.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:35 pm ET)
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            Fakeliberal has no real responses to anything. She has been called on several times to show us where ACORN is actually shown to do anything on the tapes and she has failed to do so. She still gets her news from the Paris Business Review.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (November 20, 2009 7:49 am ET)
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      If he has tapes showing illegal conduct, he has a legal duty to turn them over now. If he does not, the DOJ, should get a court order for them and ALL of them...unedited and uncensored. He is probably full of it and the UNEDITED tapes would only be an indictment of his won conduct.
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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        He has to be careful about who he gives them to. The AG's office would probably destroy them and then decline to investigate on the grounds of no evidence.
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        • Author by shaggles (November 20, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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          Unlikely but if that is his fear it would be easy enough to make copies.
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    • Author by RKAllen (November 20, 2009 9:26 am ET)
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      Have you ever seen a more pathetic and more dejected group of people. I swear, James O'Keefe's face just gets longer and longer everytime he appears on television again and Hannah looks like she just got home from a really bad date.
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      • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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        I think Berttha Lewis's face looked a little more dejected the last time I saw her. The gravy train has stopped rolling.
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        • Author by RKAllen (November 20, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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          That's funny... in Bertha Lewis' own words...
          Fortunately, ACORN derives most of its income from its members and other supporters, so the decision will have little impact on overall operations. The only real victims of today's vote are the families who have benefited from ACORN's important work."
          If you think the Federal Funding that ACORN received was thei "gravy train" then you are sorely and poorly misinformed.
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          • Author by fairliberal (November 20, 2009 11:55 am ET)
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            "so the decision will have little impact on overall operations. The only real victims of today's vote are the families who have benefited from ACORN's important work."

            It seems Bertha wants it both ways, she says it will have little impact but then points to the families that are impacted. Which is it?

            And why sue if there is little impact?
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            • Author by RKAllen (November 21, 2009 11:33 pm ET)
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              And why sue if there is little impact?
              The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 9, paragraph 3... that's why.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 20, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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      Extortion? Breitbart threatens to release more tapes during election unless DOJ investigates ACORN

      Yep and continue to dig yourself a hole. "Where's the popcorn for this show?" <sarcasm>
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    • Author by shaggles (November 20, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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      Why not release them now?
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      • Author by pilotx (November 20, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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        Because this is a shameless ploy to influence an election. They know no true crime took place so they say play the game of "investigate or we'll screw the election". Those of us who see this is a cynical ploy won't vote for the party of no ideas anyway so this is an exercise in futility. Hannah and her boyfriend can scream as loud as they want but NO CRIME TOOK PLACE. If anything they should be arrested for bad acting. A 20 something dressed like a Halloween pimp talking about starting a whore house. My only question is how they kept themselves from laughing in their faces.
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