After Hasselbeck said of KSM, "poor guy, they chucked some water on him," Hannity says, "I'm glad we waterboarded him"
November 19, 2009 11:01 pm ET
From the November 19 edition of Fox News' Hannity:
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NEW YORK – The five men facing trial in the Sept. 11 attacks will plead not guilty so that they can air their criticisms of U.S. foreign policy, the lawyer for one of the defendants said Sunday.
Scott Fenstermaker, the lawyer for accused terrorist Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, said the men would not deny their role in the 2001 attacks but "would explain what happened and why they did it."
The U.S. Justice Department announced earlier this month that Ali and four other men accused of murdering nearly 3,000 people in the deadliest terrorist attack in the U.S. will face a civilian federal trial just blocks from the site of the destroyed World Trade Center
Will find them guilty?!?!?
It's how bad it is for us to waterboard anyone, even really bad guys.
The fact that we don't support torture doesn't mean we're ignorant of the bad things that KSM did or that we excuse his excesses because of our disgust with the waterboarding that the Bush Administration did!
But Hannity is happy that we acted in a totally unAmerican way by waterboarding a human being. And Hasselbeck minimizes what we did in order to excuse it simply because she thinks it's justified since KSM is a really bad guy. But it's not okay just because of who he was. Because it's not about the bad guy. It's about us doing the waterboarding.
KSM is the issue. Waterboarding is NOT torture and is not the issue. Waterboarding this animal was the right thing to do. Period. End of discussion.
You appear to be a subject matter expert on that question, so how about explaining it?
Just because Bush and Cheney used secret memos to try and get around its legal definition as torture doesn't make it legal, it merely makes it debateable.
Oops, that would make the Bush administration accountable and hypocritical!
Many people are emotional about this subject. That's great. The nation went through a great tragedy caused by this guy and others like him.
What's typical is your taking away his humanity. Doing so absolves him from any responsibility because animals don't think, they just respond to stimuli. Sort of like you're doing.
On the other hand, to say that this is a man, with reason and free will, makes his crime that much more horrific.
Courts in the U.S. and all over the world have determined that waterboarding is illegal. If you insist that it's legal, maybe one of the people we waterboarded should have his day in court. Let our judicial system determine once and for all if water boarding is legal.
Either it will be determined that it is illegal or that it's not. and if the courts say that it's not, those who wish us harm will have that much more to hate us for.
Wingnut-to-English translation: I have a mind like an outhouse. Sh!t is dumped into it and it never leaves.
the problems with our present adminstration.
Seannie, still waiting for you to hold up your end of that bet by "having some water chucked on you."
Of course, if there is a problem, the first thing these fools will do is blame Obama.
They are traitors and without them there would be no 'difficulty' with the waterboarding because KSM's military trial would be over by now.
No. You are living in conservative fantasyland. You are the traitor. The President takes an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION. Bush failed miserably at that. The only reason it seems you guys prefer military trials is because - as the Supreme Court has pointed out - they are not at all fair.
The real un-American position here is the one that has no faith in the resilience and durability of our founding principles.
You mean the left-wing, America-hating Roberts court?
I'm sure they both feel empowered by their sycophantic stance against America, her laws, and basic human dignity even for scumbags like KSM!
Survivor: GITMO..?
Conservatives are so with it, man.
FAIL!
And don't come back!!!!
Personally I have thoughts of kindness for the victims of his evil. sympathy and empathy for future victims of islamo fascist terrorist evil...
perhaps you should go ask KSM what sympathy or empathy he has... you don't care.. bust kept you safe for seven years, all nice an cozy in your warm little bed. where you can say ANYTHING you please and it's your right...
You it seems are completely barren of thought... perhaps you are a sociopath like KSM that feels no remorse, has not kindness or empathy... pathetic...
And the "Bush kept you safe for seven years" nonsense is the most ridiculous reaching for praise I've ever seen. 9/11 still happened because the administration largely ignored warnings of the Taliban being determined to strike within the US. It was preventable.
You people are so swept up in paranoid fear and your ethnocentrism that you refuse to see anything but your own point of view.
No -- the only one's "completely barren of thought" are those who 1) continuously try to justify waterboarding as not being torture when it is, and 2) don't seem to realize that if US servicepersons are captured, they would be subject to the same treatment.
And I would define a true sociopath as an internet tough guy who crows about how much he wants to waterboard KSM or drop the bomb on Iran -- but can't get off of his lazy ass to go to the nearest recruiting center . . .
You were right calling Bush a "bust" . . . that moron didn't keep us safe for seven years; he kept of safe for 232 DAYS -- the time between his inauguration and 9/11 -- it MIGHT have been seven years if he hadn't ignored a PDB warning a month BEFORE the attack, or held meetings on terrorism instead of barbecuing and brush clearin' on his fake ranch.
Still, that's one lie that neoKKKons just CAN'T let go of, right, blackforestcake?
. . . and should probably never make an attempt to . . .
I haven't figured out whether you MM kool-aid drinkers a naive or you really believe the drivel you spout...
You are so transparent it's pathetic... You throw stones at corporate CEOs but ignore the huge money men like george soros (provides funds for MM) and warren buffet, huge insurance magnate. the kennedys that have pillaged the country for years, or even nancy pelosi and her big money??? what gives? it's OK to throw millions at NON PRODUCING hollywoods elites but conservative CEOs that DO produce are vilified... creepy...
Neither Hasslebeck nor Hannity have ever "experienced it". Therefore, in your judgment, Hasslebeck and Hannity should "back off" and "stop pretending they know what they're talking about".
What's more, I doubt blackforestcake has ever "experienced it", either.
And no, spilling his water glass while taking his anti-delusion meds doesn't count . . .
Congratulations, blackforestcake!!
You are the 1,000,000,000,000th wingnut to mention the evil George Soros, the 10,000,000,000,000th wingnut to claim he provides funds for a [nonprofit] site, the 100,000,000,000,000th wingnut to mention Nancy Pelosi, and the 1,000,000,000,000,000th wingnut to do ALL of the above while IGNORING THE THREAD SUBJECT!!
You do NOT, however, receive a prize -- for we are unable to provide you with what you truly need [i.e., a brain.]
But still, CONGRATULATIONS!!
(I understand you'd like to ignore national law, international law, and international treaties that all define waterboarding as torture, and just have one expert witness decide, so, I'm asking you this simple question, okay? By the way, the CEO of GM, who ran it into the ground? He got $15 million a year, and produced absolutely nothing. I'm a Chevy guy, through and through, and the fact that GM was left in such bad shape it needed bailout money while Ford didn't will rankle me for a LONG time.)
She needs to clap her heels 3x and go away. Far far away!