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Olbermann highlights Beck's history of extreme rhetoric, dubs him "Fearmonger-In-Chief"

November 20, 2009 11:48 am ET

From the November 19 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

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    • Author by Major Tom (November 20, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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      Doesn't the ADL have any clout? Shouldn't there be more fallout from this declaration?
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    • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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      Ah Well, you know that the Anti-Defamation League is Jewish! And you know what THOSE people are like! Marx was a Jew, wasn't he?<bitter sarcasm>

      This report will not attract as much negative attention as the previous FBI report attracted, because the ADL is a private organization, but it should be paid close attention to.

      Here is a link to the full report which contains sublinks that look at groups like the Three Percenters and the Oath Keepers.

      http://www.adl.org/special_reports/rage-grows-in-America/default.asp

      We are in a very dangerous time here. People who should be hiding in the shadows and speaking in whispers are being covered as if they had valid points and beliefs. These groups are not united around one person or principle, but if someone should come up who is capable of uniting them with a consistent message, we could loose our country. Hitler was a fringe candidate with a small cadre of followers, but he rose on appealing to populist ideas and general distrust and disillusionments. He got into office and then used the power of the office to create something that the people didn't originally intend. It didn't happen overnight, but it did happen quickly. The price of Freedom is vigilence. We need to be vigilent.
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      • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 20, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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        Ah Well, you know that the Anti-Defamation League is Jewish! And you know what THOSE people are like! Marx was a Jew, wasn't he?<bitter sarcasm>

        Your comment prompts an observation: Beck and his ilk love Israel, but hate Jews.

        Similarly, they love America, but hate Americans.

        Quite honestly, this behavior reminds me of autism, of people who have an inability to actually connect with other humans in any kind of meaningful way.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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          I hadn't looked at the situation in that light. It is a very good observation. Hey, this thought just popped in to my head! Stephen King already made the connection for Beck-Satan's Mentally Challenged Little Brother. Glenn thinks this is funny and sells a T-shirt about it.
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        • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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          I can't beleive the audacity to say so matter-of-factly that Beck "hates Jews" when Beck has said nothing ill of the Jewish people.

          How tolerant of you.

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          • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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            Yeah, you can give me thumbs down, but none of you can defend that BS.

            Beck is wrong to think that Obama is racist, but it's perfectly fine for you to say that he hates Jews with absolutely NO proof of that?
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            • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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              Beck has said the same thing about Jews as he has Blacks, he is uncomfortable around them because he doesn't want to offend them. Then he went and tried to co-opt Yom Kippur for his own political devices. As a Mormon, he also believes that he is part of the chosen people. Mormons refer to non-Mormons as "Gentiles." I think that Beck is a sociopath who really hates everybody, even himself. But I also think he is a bigot who doesn't like other races or religions. From what I have seen with you is that you refuse to really listen at what he is saying. That's your choice.
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              • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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                When did he say that about Jews? And even if he did (which I doubt) that does NOT mean that he hates Jews.

                Let's see, I may be uncomforable around Packers fans, but that doesn't mean I hate them (though I do hate the Packers!).
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                • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 4:07 pm ET)
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                  You are free to believe or doubt what you like. If you don't want to believe that Glenn Beck dislikes Jews and Blacks, go right ahead. I think you are here to tick people off. You've succeeded with several people. I have been civil, but my patience is wearing thin. I don't mind it when people disagree with me, but I do resent being poked just to get a negative reaction.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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                    I've been pretty respectful to you. I'm not trying to tick you off, but I DO seem to disagree with you politically. Uh, sorry if that ticks you off.

                    Now, can we discuss the issue? When did he say that about Jews? And even if he did (which I doubt) that does NOT mean that he hates Jews.
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                • Author by benjr (November 20, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
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                  That's a false analogy. You cannot compare fans of a football team to a religious group that has suffered death and discrimination at the hands of others for over two thousand years. Would you care to compare the Packers losing to the Vikings to the Jews in the Holocaust? People used to be so "uncomfortable" around Jews that they blamed us for everything, from the Black Plague to famine. Ever hear of anyone doing that to Packers' fans? See how in that light your analogy is not only meaningless, but also offensive.

                  I happen to be Jewish and think you're way off base with this one. When Beck tries to co-opt our holidays for his own purposes, it seems like (at the very least) he has disdain for my religion. I don't know Beck personally, and I have never spoken to the man (thankfully), so all I have to go on is what he says on either TV or the radio. He is disrespectful to the Jewish faith, and has shown to have to tolerance or idea what Judaism is all about. You can keep him; we don't want him.
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                  • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 4:41 pm ET)
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                    Shabat Shalom, Ben. My husband and daughters are Jewish. I've become very comfortable in the Jewish world. I may not be able to find a reproducable quote, but like you, I know that Glenn doesn't like Jews.
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                    • Author by benjr (November 20, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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                      I totally agree. He clearly seems to think of Yom Kippur as only s political bargaining tool, which is quite disrespectful. Thank you for the kind comments, by the way.
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                      • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:17 pm ET)
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                        I just looked up the Glenn Beck/Yon Kippur thing.

                        http://mediamatters.org/press/releases/200909210024

                        My God, all the man said was that people should fast and pray for the Republic! Are people really suggesting that that was somehow hateful to Jews?!

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                        • Author by benjr (November 20, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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                          But that's the whole point... why does Beck need to take a Jewish holiday and turn it into something its not? I believe he's a Mormon, right? Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to then use one of the Mormon holidays? Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that at all, but to me, Beck using Yom Kippur (which is VERY important to us, by the way) in a way that is totally different than how people of the faith observe Yom Kippur is insulting, and it serves to marginalize my faith. That, to me, in essence is the problem here. Beck has no respect for my faith. Yom Kippur is notin any way associated with the republic. It is the Jews' day of atonement, and by taking it and subverting it Beck is quite disrespectful, and showing that he does not understand or care to understand the Jewish faith.

                          By the way, I notice you did not comment on my thoughts regarding your analogy... Care to discuss your Packers fan comment?
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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                            Dude, it's a day of fasting and praying. People pray for things. He suggested that people fast and pray for the country. That's all.

                            I'm not Jewish, though I've read the OT. Is it against the rules of Yom Kippur to pray for the country?

                            I did reply to you about my analogy, my friend. It is below, and right now it says it was posted 58 minutes ago, so I'm not lying.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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                            Dude, it's a day of fasting and praying. People pray for things. He suggested that people fast and pray for the country. That's all.

                            I'm not Jewish, though I've read the OT. Is it against the rules of Yom Kippur to pray for the country?

                            I did reply to you about my analogy, my friend. It is below, and right now it says it was posted 58 minutes ago, so I'm not lying.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:12 pm ET)
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                            Dude, it's a day of fasting and praying. People pray for things. He suggested that people fast and pray for the country. That's all.

                            I'm not Jewish, though I've read the OT. Is it against the rules of Yom Kippur to pray for the country?

                            I did reply to you about my analogy, my friend. It is below, and right now it says it was posted 58 minutes ago, so I'm not lying.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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                            Dude, it's a day of fasting and praying. People pray for things. He suggested that people fast and pray for the country. That's all.

                            I'm not Jewish, though I've read the OT. Is it against the rules of Yom Kippur to pray for the country?

                            I did reply to you about my analogy, my friend. It is below, and right now it says it was posted 58 minutes ago, so I'm not lying.
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                            • Author by benjr (November 20, 2009 6:28 pm ET)
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                              I appreciate the apology, but that wasn't what I meant. I just meant that the analogy itself was faulty. As far as Beck's suggestion, I think that it reflects a fundamental lack of understanding or sensitivity. My question to you is this: Why did Beck choose Yom Kippur? There is no good reason to choose that particular day, and, again, I believe it is tasteless.
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                            • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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                              Wow. I have no idea how that happened. Sorry for the duplicate posts, guys.
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                              • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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                                I'm thinking he chose it because it was Yom Kippur, a good day to pray and fast.
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                                • Author by benjr (November 20, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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                                  A good day to pray and fast for Jews. It is offensive to try and make it into something it's not. How do you not understand this?
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                                  • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 8:54 pm ET)
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                                    I don't see why you are so offended at someone suggesting that others should pray and fast on your day of praying and fasting.

                                    "THIS IS OUR DAY TO PRAY AND FAST, NOT YOURS, SO YOU CAN'T PRAY AND FAST TODAY OR EVEN SUGGEST IT!"
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                                    • Author by benjr (November 21, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
                                         
                                      You still don't understand. I'm not saying that a non-Jew can't pray or fast on Yom Kippur. I'm saying that a public figure taking the holiday and trying to use it for something totally different is insulting to the Jewish faith. How do you not understand this? He's trying to change what the holiday is for.
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                                      • Author by k1dork (November 21, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
                                           
                                        Something totally different would be if he asked people to EAT, DRINK, and NOT pray.

                                        He asked for people to pray: FOR OUR COUNTRY!

                                        If praying for OUR country is somehow insulting, then all is already lost.
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                                        • Author by benjr (November 22, 2009 5:06 pm ET)
                                             
                                          You don't understand, nor do you seem to want to make an effort to understand. I have given you examples of why it is offensive, but you just come back with nonsense. It has nothing to do with praying for our country. It has to do with the purpose of Beck's comments. Again, I ask why he chose Yom Kippur for this. He politicized a Jewish holiday for his own purposes and you still don't think that's offensive?
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                                          • Author by k1dork (November 22, 2009 8:40 pm ET)
                                               
                                            NO, I understand. I understand that IF Beck had said what he said in contempt, such as," Jews, you want to fast and pray, well, what you need to be fasting and praying for is the Republic."

                                            That would have been disrespectful. BUT, that is NOT how Beck said it. He simply ASKED for people to pray for our country.

                                            Bro, if that is "offensive" to you, perhaps you need to pray to God, my God and your God, the God of Abraham, for some understanding.
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                    • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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                      So basically you just have a "feeling" that Beck HATES Jews?

                      Don't you think it should take some EVIDENCE to say pointedly that someone HATES a group of people?
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
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                    If you are Jewish and I offended you, I apolgize.

                    You seem to be rational, so can you explain what you mean by Beck "co-opting" Jewish holidays?
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
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                  Once again, dork, you are completely amazing the lengths to which you will go to defend Beck no matter what. No Packers fans are analagous to Jews? Get a grip, man.

                  It was sad enough watching you twist yourself into a pretzel trying to explain to us what it is that Obama hates about white people and white culture. Now football fans of a certain team and Jewish people are similar. Wow.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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                    I didn't mean to offend anyone with the analogy, but I just thought it was ridiculous to equate HATING people to not feeling comfortable.

                    Now I guess you can write me off as hating Jewish people.
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              • Author by iSaidit (November 20, 2009 11:56 pm ET)
                   
                "As a Mormon, he also believes that he is part of the chosen people."


                I love this quote. I've never met a Mormon I didn't like. They've always been great with me even tho I'm not the most religious person. I've met a few Jewish people that were questionable and not very "jewishy"... but back to the quote.. Ummm don't all religions preach they're the "chosen ones"? I thought the Jews were the chosen ones? Didn't the jews kill Jesus?

                For MSNBC viewers(part-time),don't you think a network that spends %50 of their programs talking trash about another network or the American people(the ones that have different views than MSNBC) might be a little off base?

                k1dork, I don't think you can argue with liberals. You can present all the facts you want, but they don't operate on facts. These are the same people that claim to be compassionate, but will belittle and tear someone's character down with lies and half truths, just for having a different opinion than theirs.

                Bad liberals ='( no no no!
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            • Author by snoopy (November 20, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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              I think it's more appropriate to say he could care less about their history the way he keeps trivializing the holocaust by claiming people are trying to silence him the same way the jews were silenced. He's a real class act that way...
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              • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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                Actually, he didn't say that. He quoted the First They Came.. poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller.

                First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
                Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
                Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
                Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
                Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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                • Author by bintx (November 20, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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                  No, he didn't quote First They Came. He said this:

                  BECK: When they're done with Fox, and you decide to speak out on something. The old, "first they came for the Jews, and I wasn't Jewish." When you have a question, and you believe that something should be asked, they're a -- totally fine with you right now; they have no problem with you.

                  When they're done with Fox and talk radio, do you really think they're going to leave you alone if you want to ask a tough question? Do you really think that a man who has never had to stand against tough questions and has as much power as he does -- do you really believe after he takes out the number one news network, do you really think that this man is then not going to turn on you? That you and your little organization is going to cause him any hesitation at all not to take you out?

                  If you believe that, you should open up a history book, because you've missed the point of many brutal dictators. You missed the point on how they always start.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:12 pm ET)
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                    Wow. Um, yeah, saying "first they came for the Jews, and I wasn't Jewish" is a reference to the First They Came...poem.

                    You know, the poem with the line "Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew."
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                • Author by snoopy (November 20, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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                  And why again did he quote that? Oh yeah, because he's claiming people are trying to silence him the same way the jews were silenced.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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                    Uh, yeah, and the communists, the socialists, and the unionists---basically every group that was silenced in the poem.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:25 pm ET)
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                      How ironic that it is actually Beck who has come for the communists and the socialists and the unionists. I'm sure that went right over you and other Beckers' heads.

                      Perhaps you should go back to accusing me of thinking you are an Uncle Tom. At least that got funny eventually.
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          • Author by bintx (November 20, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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            Beck recently decided to use September 29, Yom Kippur, to launch his "Day of Fast and Prayer for the Republic." Yom Kippur happens to be the holiest day on the Jewish calendar, a day of fasting. He has insensitively compared Fox News to the Jews during the Holocaust. He stated on May 10, 2007, that he wouldn't vote for his supposed friend and benefactor, Joe Liebermann, because of "the way the Middle East would use it."


            Yeah, he's got a problem with Jews.
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            • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
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              Seems that his "problem" with Jews has been manufactured by his left-wing opponents.

              How in God's name is saying that on a day of fasting and prayer that people should fast and pray for the Republic a bad thing?

              He didn't compare Fox News to Jews and the Holocaust. He quoted a freaking poem.

              And with the Joe Liebermann thing, his reasoning was that a Jewish president in the age of terror would stoke the fires of radical Islam. I understand what he means. That doesn't mean he hates Jews.
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              • Author by John Paradox (November 20, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                I suspect if we brought up "the war on xmas" you'd go ballistic about how 'evil secularists are destroying our nation', no?
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                • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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                  I'm not following you? Could you elaborate on what that has to do with saying Beck hates Jews?
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                  • Author by John Paradox (November 22, 2009 8:38 pm ET)
                       
                    Analogy: Beck calls for December 25th to be a day when we should give each other presents, and go to worship in the church/temple/mosque/FSM meeting of our choice.

                    Would you consider that 'pre-empting' Christmas? If so, why is 'pre-empting' Yom Kippur okay?
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:26 pm ET)
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                "He didn't compare Fox News to Jews and the Holocaust. He quoted a freaking poem." - dork

                Clearly, he was making the comparison. You may want to look up the word "compare". It apparently does not mean what you think it does.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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                "And with the Joe Liebermann thing, his reasoning was that a Jewish president in the age of terror would stoke the fires of radical Islam. I understand what he means." - dork

                I am sure you do. That is what is truly so very sad.
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                • Author by k1dork (November 20, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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                  Let me get this straight. You do NOT think that a Jewish president would stoke the fires of radical Islam?
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            • Author by jms (November 20, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
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              Sorry, no, it is just a pathetic attempt to cobble together a "story" in the hopes that people will be offended and turn away from Beck who, oh by the way, destroys Keith's network in the ratings night after night. This puts Keith on the same level as the race hustlers who use the race card for their own fame and fortune. Too bad someone would have to be watching Keith for his message to get out. Keith should apologize immediately to everyone who has truly suffered antisemitism. I find it offensive.
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      • Author by fourplows (November 21, 2009 12:02 am ET)
           
        Actually, "vigilance" is NOT the price of freedom. I can't imagine where that statement even came from, it's so utterly ridiculous. Freedom is far more costly than "vigilance." Furthermore, I'm no great fan of Glen Beck, but he is no threat to anyone's freedom, as he is nowhere near a position of any real power. He's just a person with opinions and a show. So? Comparing him to Hitler is completely absurd, not to mention cliche. I have not been able to figure out the obsession (both positive an negative) that everyone has with this man.
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    • Author by 4teepee (November 20, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      Keith Olbermann failed to mention the hypocrisy of the Anti-Defamation League, which defends an Israeli government that kicks the indigenous Palestinians out of their homes and off their land to make way for illegal, Jews-only settlements. Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Media Matters steer clear of the Palestinian issue.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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        Look, I have a Jewish husband and children. They are not Zionists. They are not Israelis. I admit to having problems with some of the actions of the Israeli government, and I have seen attitudes in Jews (both Sabra and immigree) that I find equal to those of Klansmen when it comes to promoting harmony between Jews and Muslims. But here is something to consider, Israel has existed for 60 years, a lonely blue star in a sea of Muslim green. Israel is not always fair or democratic, but it is more fair and more democratic than any of its Arab/Muslim neighbors. Israel has fought to exist, and its people have endured great hatred and tragedy. I tend to cut them slack.
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        • Author by 4teepee (November 22, 2009 11:34 pm ET)
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          Don't blame the victim: the ethnically-cleansed, indigenous Palestinian people.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (November 20, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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      "Congratulations" Glenn Beck and FoxNews with being awarded for the non-stop, 24/7, shameful, pathetic, and nasty "sleaze" you guys have promoted about an American President, his Administration and Democrat Party. This award was earned by the best of the best in "sleaze" and we ALL are so happy that finally your hard work was recognized. Enjoy, LOL.
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    • Author by snoopy (November 20, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      Dream team 2012!

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    • Author by jms (November 20, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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      Good God, what is this man's obsession with Beck and O'Reilly? Maybe, just maybe, if you had an entertaining show worth watching you would not get destroyed in the ratings by the very people you despise. Instead, you choose to spew tired infantile rants about those shows, lending further credence to them every time you do it. Pathetic. MSNBC used to be decent but it has gone completely over the edge.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 20, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
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        What is your obsession with Olbermann?
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      • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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        jms, Keith is trying to point out the mistakes and misrepresentations being put out by Fox News and O'Reilly and Beck in particular. Rachel also is acting as a Fox watchdog, even though she is much nicer about it than Keith (I enjoy Keith, but sometimes, he is mean.) Don't mistake quantity for quality. Fox may have a lot more viewers, but how do they do on news surveys? Not very well in comparison to PBS viewers (yours truly) or Colbert Report/Daily Show viewers and since the whole point of a news network is to inform, it is failing at its primary function. I also think you will find that MSNBC viewers score better than Fox viewers.
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      • Author by jonjstrine42 (November 21, 2009 1:28 am ET)
           
        And Britney Spears sells lots of CDs. That doesn't make her a great musician. Popularity does not equal better quality.
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      • Author by PhuckPHOX (November 21, 2009 11:06 am ET)
           
        Infantile? What's infantile about challenging hypocrisy and misinformation in the mainstream media?

        What's infantile is how Beck and the like literally LIE TO THE FACES OF AMERICANS WHOM THEY CLAIM THEY SUPPORT in order to further their political agendas.
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