Beck fill-in Gray on trying terrorist suspects: "They want to put America's past on trial"
November 20, 2009 11:54 am ET
From the November 20 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
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Gray also claimed, "This has never been done in the history of our country."
Previously:
Translation: we all know there was on-going illegal TORTURE and Bush said it was legal, so that's the end of the story!!
NOT THIS TIME STOOOOPID . .
Is that what you want?
Nothing of the sort is going to happen. Try arguing against things that happen in the real world, not in you imagination.
" . . putting the Bush administration on trial."
Break no laws, nothing to worry about and in this country, no one is above the law!! Administrations can't pick and choose what laws will be obeyed, it's not like a menu. Ref. NIXON
I live and work in New York and New Yorkers welcome an OPEN trial in the Southern District of New York [military trials are closed], as we did the OPEN trial and conviction of the criminals of the first WTC bombing who are now incarcerated for life in our SUPERMAX prison system!
Just FYI 'cause you sound scared, the torture/rendition abuse won't be allowed into evidence and no one here or around the world is going to change their opinions about Bush/Cheney before, during or after this trial.
Give it your best shot . .
That's just me, though. Sorry, but I just don't lose any sleep over terrorists being waterboarded if it was done trying to get information to save the lives of our troops or something.
I'm also willing to guess that you think that if a person is arrested, that makes that person guilty. Anyone who was tortured, was also guilty, because after all, they were being tortured, and the USA never, ever does anything wrong. "The Ends Justifies the Means" works both ways, you know- how do you go about condemning people for committing atrocities if those people honestly believed that committing those atrocities advanced their causes?
One more guess- you lose sleep over very, very little. Unless you worry about people getting justice.
It's not certain what kind of information would have been garnered, but I tend to like living, and think my fellow soldiers should get to do so as well.
If pouring water on an insurgent was what they thought was best to get info at the time to keep us safe from an ambush or something, so be it.
You act like waterboarding is no big deal, but that only seems to give evidence to your naivety.
I do not think it is I who is naive, my friend.
So is "Un-American."
So is "Pathetic" and "Sick."
I notice how you don't respond to ANY of my questions, instead choosing to hide behind your skin tone.
I don't hide behind anything. If you hadn't ACCUSED ME OF BEING A RACIST, my skin tone would not have come up.
By using torture, the Bush administration allowed the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 to win.
The Fourteenth Amendment says: Have a little faith in the system.
Sometimes our actions from the past are questioned and by utilizing this philosophy we attemp to learn from our mistakes. This does not necessarily mean that the actions in question were not justified at the time, it merely means we have questions if those actions should be replicated into the future.
Let me give you a couple examples.
1. In the process of the development of our country we committed what is considered to be the greatest act of Genocide in the history of the world. We essentially killed 20 million American Native Indians so that our Immigrant Ancestors could prosper. We now realize the scope of the tragedy could have easily been averted, but we can't back up in history.
2. We also know that the concept of slavery was a big mistake. No one has the right to own someone, but you can't back up in history. You can only learn from it and prevent the mistake from continuing.
3. Germany now realizes that no nation or race of people have the right to exterminate another race of people because of their religious or ethnic beliefs.
Because so many past injustices were centered around what was considered to be torture it is imperative that our country be open and forthright when discussing this issue. We can not deny it happened, we can only determine if the reason it happened was justified and if we as nation want to perpetuate this practice into the future. Make no mistake - the world is watching how we handle this.
How does the prosecution overcome that little hump?
These men should be tried by the military and promptly shot. End of story.
Also, I think most Americans could care less about poor little TERRORISTS not getting treated like stars by our meanies in the military.
You're a right-wing dittobot.
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Are you a betting person? I'd wager that most Americans don't lose any sleep over the poor terrorists.
Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously.
Yeah, because that's happened.
The US government has disappeared people, tortured them and held them in indefinite detention based on very little evidence. We've actually quietly released hundreds of these prisoners. Were they rehabilitated, still dangerous or were many of them never a threat to begin with?
Without a trial of some sort, how do you determine with any degree of certainty that you have a real terrorist and not some goat herder whose brother in law burned him for a chance at a cash reward?
"The terrorists are no different than black slaves."
"The terrorists are no different than black slaves."
We show the world we're not a third world country. We put people on trial before the world and we show the world our JUSTICE, which is democratic, not a dictatorship!!
We don't have ten minute trials, convict the prisoner and then take him out back and shoot him in the head. That's what this OPEN FORUM trial is about . .
If we take the terrorists out back and just shoot 'em aren't we just as barbaric as they are? That would be End of story!!
To answer the question, the lack of "Mirandizing" does not necessarily mean much. KSM has confessed on television prior to being picked up. We do not need the "information" supposedly gained by torture or coercion or even information gained while KSM was not "Mirandized" in order to prosecute KSM.
I've been called an America-hater by these wingnuts, accused of "blaming America first", yet I have no fear at all that terrorism suspects are going to be able to justify their actions in the course of a trial.
If it happens, during the process of convicting somebody for heinous acts of terrorism, that some information is revealed about crimes committed by our government / military, that's only a positive to me. It's an opportunity to correct these things, to make our country better.
I feel sorry for bedwetters like Gray who have so little love for our country that they don't think we can survive the truth being exposed. Why do right wingers hate America so much?
Col. Harlan, you comment reminds me of the Jack Nicholson movie, when he said . . "You people can't handle the truth"
Appears to be true, ya know . .
Second of all, to paraphrase Eugene Robinson's column on the subject, in order to truly achieve victory in this struggle, we must also win the war of ideas. And in that war, the idea of justice is the key battlefield.
The jihadist narrative purports that the West (i.e. America) has long been engaged in a war against Islam. To try KSM in a military tribunal would actually further that narrative, reinforcing the idea that we are ona crusade against the Muslim world (which is, to the dismay of some right-wingers, simply not the case).
Putting KSM on trial in a civilian court is a way to prove that we really do practice what we preach, that we have one system of justice for everyone. We will show the jihadists that we are not afraid of them or of their ideas, we are not afraid to let a murderous monster have his day in court. We will show them that they cannot shake our ideals. We will always hold fast to the principles and the values that make us American, even as they are attacked. Justice, and the American way, will always prevail over hatred. And that is what we stand to gain.