CNN airs Media Matters' clip of Pat Robertson smearing Islam
November 20, 2009 12:34 pm ET
From the November 19 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
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THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE!
Dude, they're THROWING ACID ON LITTLE GIRLS FOR WANTING TO GO TO SCHOOL, and you are worried about Robertson's OPINION?
I think there is a significant difference between the random nutjob in America, and radical Islam that sanctions such tactics in the name of their religion.
Sorry bro, but I think a segment of a religion that TEACHES that their religion justifies such acts of terror are more of a threat than random nutjobs. If you disagree, fine.
god your a moron.
Yes, I think anyone advocating such violence is an idiot as well.
You were trying your damnest on this thread and on others to NOT stay on topic, since you didn't want the actual topic to be discussed!
CNN used a tool that MMFA provided here. That's a good thing for our national debate.
We can't stop people like you and Pat Robertson or groups like FoxNews from flooding the airwaves with their toxic nonsense, but we can make them lose their credibility and their legitimacy, over time, with efforts like this.
And you didn't want us to talk about that, so you started smearing Islam so that posters here would follow you off topic.
The topic here is how CNN used a clip that was documented by MMFA to help Pat Robertson lose some credibility with CNN's audience.
MM posts the topic, and then I thought we were free to discuss it?
We are still discussing the topic.
I am NOT smearing Islam. I am discussing RADICAL Islam, the segment within Islam that teaches that it is ok to do things like THROW ACID ON LITTLE GIRLS WHO WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL.
And I will never understand how someone has enough brains to know how to type who doesn't also know that we can pull up posts you previously submitted to debunk you when you lie!
"Then I'm sure you are horrified by the tenets of Islam as well, right?"
That's not the topic, and no, you weren't discussing "radical Islam", you were discussing Islam. And the tenets of Islam aren't on topic. The topic is how CNN used a posting by MMFA to point out the toxic behavior of Pat Robertson!
I was asking that question specifically to epkklk851, because I took exception to her comments. Basically, I was saying that if she had such a problem with Christians, then she would also have a problem with Muslims, seeing that we share SOME beliefs.
Tell me how I am "so wrong" in thinking that religious nutjobs that advocate killing doctors and blowing up clinics are idiots?
We know it's wrong, and it is in the best interest of all of us to speak out that it is wrong.
I don't believe in torture. I don't believe in tossing out laws and civil rights in the face of terrorism. I do believe, however, that we must fight against and speak out against the Taliban and their anti-human rights Sharia laws based on some questionable 'prophet' 's writings.
So, he identified with the cult leader Koresh, choosing the anniversary of Waco to deliver his message. Koresh was a cult leader, but it was a Christian cult. Further, Mr. McVeigh blew up the federal building because he felt the government, the American government was his enemy. This is the same kind of foolishness preached daily by Mr. Beck, in case you hadn't noticed. Mr. McVeigh was not a random nutjob. He was a vet of the Gulf War who got tangled up on anti-government far right fringe groups, much like the government report just last year warned might happen again.
This is dangerous ground, and a dangerous time for this country, k1dork. It is best to be as honest and truthful and awake as possible. We have had enough violence, in the name of any cause, in my opinion.
Also, there are plently of "far-left" anti government and anarchy groups.
Comparing the NEA to Goebbels?
Claiming health reform will end America 'as you know it'?
Telling citizens of New York their state government is raping them?
Casting health reform at the federal level as a child rapist?
Lying about cap & trade legislation powers that weren't actually granted to President Obama to claim the legislation would give him the same powers as 'strong man Hugo Chavez'?
So, what is Beck saying, if not that the government is the enemy? He presents no argument for smaller government, k1dork. Not one.
As for 'far-left' anti-government and anarchy groups, which buildings have they blown up? What doctors have they shot dead in church? Examples?
Sorry, but to me, that is CLEARLY not the same as a McVeigh who thinks the government is an enemy to be destroyed or something.
And, LOL! How is advocating AGAINST big government not an argument for smaller government?
I think Beck says SOME things that make sense, and SOME that don't.
If that wasn't you, my apologies.
No difference.
So Eric Rudolph and Scott Roder are random nutjobs?
They were so-called evangelical christians.
Where are all of the Christian suicide bombers?
I guess you do not realize that there can be radical teachings of any religion.
By the way the first ammendment protects the right for any religion to be practiced in this country. If so many people are scared of a certain religion then the ammendment needs to be voted on and changed.
It just might happen if too many people are feared into thinking a certain type of religion is bad. SMH!
By the way to answer your question:
Eric Robert Rudolph (born September 19, 1966), also known as the Olympic Park Bomber, is an American far-right radical described by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as a terrorist who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States which killed two people and injured at least 150 others.
Rudolph declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion and the "homosexual agenda". He spent years on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives until he was caught in 2003. In 2005, as part of a plea bargain, Rudolph pled guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and a potential death sentence.
Rudolph was connected with the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. Although he has denied that his crimes were religiously or racially motivated, Rudolph has also called himself a Roman Catholic in "the war to end this holocaust" (in reference to abortion).
He was a bomber, but not suicide, but a BOMBER.
Some Christians actually believe that we should go back to the Mosaic Laws.
You fail.
[Oh, and I'm a Christian . . . I believe Christ's teachings. Generalization of any religion or other ideology is dangerous and usually false.]
Again, the Bible justifies anything. There's just not as much motivation present for people to make that leap. This is why there's random nutjobs here and radical Islam over there.
There is nothing particularly horrifying about the writings of Mohammed. The sharia law is a different matter, of course, but the point is that all religions are liable to be hijacked by those in search of wealth or power, and twisted to those ends by what can only be described as evil men.
So far as defending Islam, as an outcast (liberal Christian), I have nothing to fear from a false religion, or those who practice it. God is in control. As an American, I absolutely will defend the right of Muslims to freely practice their faith in this country without fear of reprisal or sanction, because that same freedom protects my right to worship my God in my chosen way. The only thing worse than an handful of zealots is a nation ruled by theocracy. 9-11 was nothing when compared to the Inquisition.
Thank you for explaining what I was thinking but didn't express too well. I was part of a rather dysfunctional church with a lot of hypocritical people hiding their bigotry behind Jesus' robes. Not everyone in the church was insincere, some were only indoctrinated and didn't know better, but there were some real problems there and it put me off of being called a Christian, because I don't want to be associated with that type person.
WRONG! Turkey is a secular state. It is illegal for a woman to wear a hijab in a public building. (Which raised a big problem for the First Lady of Turkey, because she was the first observant Muslim to be First Lady since the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the changes brought on by Gamal Ataturk.
Most countries that are majority Islamic are absolutely NOT theocracies.
* "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." - 1992 Iowa fundraising letter opposing a state equal-rights amendment ("Equal Rights Initiative in Iowa Attacked", Washington Post, 23 August 1992); it is sometimes claimed that this statement appeared in Robertson's 1992 GOP convention speech, but this is not the case (see also transcript)
* "If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department) [3]
* "I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear. The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that." - Pat Robertson, speaking about an upcoming "mass killing," on The 700 Club January 2, 2007
* Presbyterians are the spirit of the Antichrist.
o The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, p. 239
* "The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."
o As quoted in "The Christian Paradox", Harper's Magazine (August 2005)
* "The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers."
* "We're importing Hinduism into America. The whole thought of your karma, of meditation, of the fact that there's no end of life and there's this endless wheel of life, this is all Hinduism. Chanting too. Many of those chants are to Hindu Gods -- Vishnu, Hare Krishna. The origin of it is all demonic. We can't let that stuff come into America. We've got the best defense, if you will -- a good offense." [9]
* “You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if [President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela] thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. [...] We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” -- 22 August 2005, in a broadcast of his Christian Broadcasting Network's program, The 700 Club [10] [11].
* "I want to say it again, and again, and again: Islam is not a religion, it's a political system meant on -- bent on world domination, not a religion. It masquerades as a religion, but the religion covers a worldwide attempt to exercise power and to subjugate the world into their way of thinking." -- [12].
Of course, you see nothing wrong with this, but you're not evil, you're just programmed that way.
BTW, I spend five years running non-stop programs from Robertson, Falwell, Swaggart, Copeland and more.
One time, I was cleaning out the tape storage room as it was going to be transformed to a Production Room, and found several old mailers of the Old Time Gospel Hour. I asked why these years old tapes hadn't been sent back, and was told that they hadn't paid their broadcast bills for months. That told me more about these 'preachers' who spent their time begging for money than anything else.
The live shows had some more moderate Christians, still tending to be closer to the Old Testament/Epistles of Paul than Jesus, but not rabid Bible-throwing like the Robertsons, Falwells, Swaggarts, Copelands, and Popoffs.
It might have something to do with respect and tolerance of others
He tried to derail the conversation from what the posting was about, MMFA's work being used by CNN to refute Pat Robertson, to a discussion about how good or bad Islam is. And then he denied what he had done.
He's not a victim here. Stop pretending that he is.
And feel free to go away.
If you want to discuss how CNN used a clip from MMFA to help ensure that Pat Robertson loses some credibility he doesn't deserve, please fell free.
The undeserved disrespect comes from your side. The well-deserved disrespect is directed at your disrespectful, disgusting side.
Well, MOST people here have engaged with me in RATIONAL discussion, so it's all good.
Besides, you do know that one of the five pillars (Zakat) is literally "spread the wealth around" right?
As with all religions, it isn't the religion that is evil it is how people choose to apply their religion. Much of Islam isn't that dissimilar to Christianity.
There are a lot of things in this world you don't understand. dork.
I think you'll find that American conservatives aren't the most intolerant people on earth.
lol..i think if you took a hard look you might see how wrong this comment is
Yet, I never hear of such people making Olbermann's "worst people" list.
I think any religious fanatics who advocate such violent acts are BAD PEOPLE.
Ma'am, anarchy has always been associated with the political left, so it's not about a specific or single individual.
I went to a liberal college--Evergreen State--where there are anarchy groups, and it is pretty well known that anarchy is a left-wing ideology.
If that is true, than the whole notion that anything leaning left is for bigger government and control is wholly without merit since anarchy is the antithesis of what a government is/does
This is completely and totally false. You need to turn off O'Reilly because he's full of crap.
That would explain why a minster in the United Church of Christ would like 'progressive' ideas like keeping Religion and Government separate?
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Yeah, I know, dork, he's RINO.. Religious In Name Only...
I'm sure you'll quickly find that the worst people on earth aren't Americans who have conservative political ideals.
yeppers, american cons are soooo tolerant
You know, like the tolernant ones on the left that call conservatives Nazis. The tolerance that calls all conservatives racists, and all conservative black people "Uncle Toms."
when did anyone say they were?
Iran is becoming a progressive country. You must have missed the protests by younger class mostly women. Except a conservative president is running the country and told what to do by a high shiek cleric and blocking progress. By the way the protesting and progressive movement is still going on.
Also China especially involving the youth is becoming more progressive as well.
For instance, in the Iranian election, Ahmadinijad called for public flogging of adulterers.
His "progressive" opponent called for them to be done in private.
Not from what I seen with the protests over the voter fraud in that country. Progressive can mean change in the current laws in a particular country. It does not mean a political party, because political parties got to get approved first before used in Iran. So the movement was taken under just that a political movement upon by passing the law. Which is progress. A change which the people wanted. Something Ahmadinijad failed to do.
Disagreement with your phony conservatism doesn't make the person disagreeing with you either a "progressive" or a "liberal," it just means that they DISAGREE with you.
I'm a conservative, dork, but I've not seen anything you've posted here that shows that you are . . . you just post the crap you hear on Fox and hate talk radio . . . that's not conservatism.
I don't consider myself to be some robot that only repeats what I hear on Fox or something, and I think it's wrong of you to suggest that that is what I am.
I am a man with opinions as well.
I suspect you are in agreement with these Barry Goldwater quotes, which sum up the 'religious right' pretty well: (apologies for the length, I don't want to be accused of 'taking things out of context')
* Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
o Acceptance Speech as the Republican Presidential candidate, San Francisco (July 1964)
o Unsourced variant: Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth, and let me remind you they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyranny.
* I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.
o Said in July 1981 in response to Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell's opposition to the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, of which Falwell had said, "Every good Christian should be concerned." as quoted in Ed Magnuson, "The Brethren's First Sister," Time Magazine, (20 July, 1981)
* On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
o Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)
* When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.
Barry Goldwater would be called a loony "lib" by folks like dork.
Thanks for posting.
Barry Goldwater would be called a loony "lib" by folks like dork.
Thanks for posting.
Barry Goldwater would be called a loony "lib" by folks like dork.
Thanks for posting.
Barry Goldwater would be called a loony "lib" by folks like dork.
Thanks for posting.
I've commented this on numerous posts dealing with Islam, but I'm going to go ahead and say it again.
Horrible violence has been carried out in the name of Christianity throughout the ages as well, and the Bible, specifically the Old Testament, has some horrendously violent stuff in it. And there are certainly religious fundamentalists in America as well. However, there are some pretty huge differences between the life of a religious radical in the U.S. and in, say, Pakistan or Afghanistan.
For one, a religious radical in America is most likely living a relatively comfortable life, i.e. with a house and food and clean water and general safety. Not so in some middle eastern countries.
Secondly, in the United States, a Muslim teenager could one day say, "Hmmm...you know what? I think I'm going to read Mere Christianity just to see what the whole Christian thing is about." Or an Evangelical Christian teenager could one day say, "I'm kind of curious about Islam, I think I'll take a look at that Koran." You think a Muslim teenager in Afghanistan or Pakistan has that same liberty? I'll tell you, they don't.
Even if you are raised in an extremely religious household in the US, you are still exposed to different ideas. You go to school, you read the newspaper, you read books or magazines or watch TV. You gather information for yourself, and you have the opportunity to make up your own mind. You aren't forced to believe anything. I think people here take that for granted. I think we sometimes forget that not everyone has that.
A child born into radical Islam in a country where information is not freely available, never knows freedom, and never knows what it truly means to think for one's self. They are fed, from the moment of their birth, a distorted version of reality and a distorted version of history that fits the message of hate. And they never know anything different.
To simply label Islam a religion of violence is to overlook the single most significant factor separating us from the people who attack our way of life--freedom.
I'm always amazed at these guys who can critize and wrap themselves around Jesus. I guess Pat figures he's better preaching hate that he was at being a Marine.