MacDonald response to Hardy's statement that "the government invented ... the Internet": "No, Al Gore did"
November 21, 2009 11:48 am ET
From the November 21 edition of Fox News' Forbes on Fox:
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Neither did you for that matter, Colonel Sanders.
Any reason why?
Or is that a rhetorical question?
Self-refuting wingnuts, feature or a problem?
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Hoosier is a liar who just makes stuff up, can't read what others have written, and continues to think it's a good idea to make it clear he's a fool.
Just like The Gov'Nor - let 'em at it!
Now I'm expecting a brilliant "I know you don't have any reading comprehension, dum dum !" or similar "I know you are, but what am I ?" witty retort (see oldman's above).
Gore said there are "incredibly hot rocks" at two kilometers deep, which is true. He then went on to state-incorrectly-that the "interior of the Earth" was "millions of degrees".
Yours is a good example of how these "Gore says he invented the Internet" rumors spread.
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There is no "and then he went on to say" because it was all the same sentence. You can parse it and claim he meant two different things besides temps at two kilometers and the interior of the earth, but it doesn't make the fact that he got either one incredibly and mind-numbing wrong, because neither depth is anywhere close to "millions of degrees", yet this snake oil salesman is regarded as an expert on global warming and one of the most influential men in the world on the subject.
That should scare the bejeesus out of you, yet you defend this clown.
That is obviously not what Gore said, as the transcript clearly proves. But hey--just keep repeating it along with "Gore says he invented the Internet!" Remain deliberately ignorant of transcripts or facts.
Those are facts, gs-425. Gore says dumb things....News at 11.
Hey Al...How much did the G450 burn this month?
The first smear is that he said it. He didn't.
The second smear is that it denies him the credit he is due for establishing the modern internet.
As Vince Serf, the "Father of the Internet," has stated, "VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator...he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful."
Pretending Gore wasn't being an ass when he said that is embarrassing for you.
He was speaking of his very real leadership in creating legislation that made the internet what it is.
If his original statement was so damning, then why do his professional enemies always use the false formulation that Gore said that he "invented the internet" (he never did) and pretend that he was claiming that he invented the technology? It is a cheap shot and dishonest.
The private enterprise attempts to build both failed spectacularly. Including burning millions of dollars along the way...
The Anti-Intellectualism among a large mass of voters is what regularly makes it difficult for people like Al Gore (and, in another era, Adlai Stevenson) to win national elections, and way too easy for drooling morons like George W Bush.
He blew it. He lost. If he was as grand and glorious and the more worthy opponent surely Democratic leadership would've insisted he run again in 2004 and he would've felt obligated for the well-being of the country. That was not the case, though.
You can't really believe that, can you?
Well, this is just a guess, but I'd say the fact that Gore never made statements like these -- or these -- are a pretty good indicator . . .
Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness
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Read and learn. Come here prepared. Or at least prepare yourself before you question someone else. If you're young and just entering the political landscape that's fine, but liberal blogs such as this do a huge disservice to political novices interested in the process by leading them to rely on them for all their information, biased as it is. So young people come to believe all information coming from anyone on the right is wrong, and they don't do adequate homework to learn for themselves.
And that is a shame.
Spare me the lecture, Einstein. You are wrong about Gore (proven so by your own link. Doh!). Gore graduated from Harvard University "cum laude". Perhaps you were too distracted by everything else to notice that little tid-bit. Did George W. Bush graduate "cum laude"? I haven't found any evidence of that. Thanks for playing.
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With regards to IQ, Bush's IQ was derived from other intelligence tests he took (and seperate ones have been done using his SAT score) and determined to be slightly above 120, whereas Gore was tested specifically for IQ twice in high school and came in at 133 and 134. For comparison, George W. Bush was in the 90-95th percentile, so 1 out of 10 or 1 out of 20 people would have greater intellectual capacity than George Bush. However, Gore was just under the 99th percentile, which means only about 1 person in 100 has a greater intellectual capability.
As noted above Gore graduated "cum laude", whereas Bush was quite notoriously a C student.
There is no significant metric I could find than indicates George W. Bush is indeed "smarter" than Gore.
You really should read and learn. Come here prepared next time...yada yada yada.
Well, open_mind, in wingnut/Rovian math -- where the smaller number is greater than the larger number -- Bush is.
That accounts for how the twenty percenters who were loyal to Dumbya at the bitter end constituted a "majority" . . .
That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen on this site in a while. Very rarely do candidates who lose a presidential election get a second chance at the ring. Do you have even the slightest idea of how electoral politics work in this country?
Allow me to break this down for you.
"That's why it stuck": The "it" here is the false quote circulated by conservative pundits and talk show hosts about Gore claiming to have invented the Internet.
"because it epitomized Al Gore for what he was": OK...
"a man known to think he was greater than he actually was": Wait... now we're just back to talking about his reputation, not his actual achievements.
You've just argued that a false quote stuck to Gore because it agreed with his bad reputation and the negative preconceptions already held by his critics. What a shocking insight.
None of this actually speaks to tharri874's point: Gore didn't claim to invent the Internet, and according to an actual and respected pioneer of the Internet, Gore's work in Congress really did advance the internet and Gore deserves credit for his efforts. How was Gore "being an ass" by taking credit for his achievements? What a terrible thing to do, especially as a politician (whose job future depends on reminding voters of his work and achievements), yeah?
The very same thing could be applied to MMFA and TP's description of the Palin campaign videos being shown by Fox when Greg Jarrett thought they were going to show actual footage from the book signing. MMFA says they were caught red-handed being deceptive in trying to make the crowd appear larger than it was. The video they showed of the campaign only showed at most 20 people in the background, and there was no way this could be construed as an attempt to make a crowd look bigger unless the crowd at the book signing was less than twenty people. Unless 1,500 - 2,000 people is less than 20, I don't see how MMFA can maintain they are a credible organization of fact-checkers and say their claim here is at all true. Yet that video and claim went viral this past week and hundreds of thousands of people watched the video and repeat it as Fox being caught red-handed trying to deceive. People buy it because Fox had recently been caught showing the wrong video and MMFA and TP know it's easy to spread this obvious falsehood. So it stuck. It's all in framing. Gore got called on his remark and got framed for it being a braggard who overstated his role in creating the internet as being the inventor of it. The guy is no smarter than Sarah Palin in all actuality, but Palin's blown interviews allowed the Left to frame her as an idiot. Why you guys still cry about Gore's overblown self-importance a full nine years after the fact is beyond me.
Correct. He was framed as a braggart by hate radio and nutjob liars.
The guy is no smarter than Sarah Palin in all actuality
You can't really believe that, can you?
Ratings, ratings, ratings.......
Who'da thought quitting your job mid-term would be such a great career move, eh?
Maybe she should of quit earlier . . .
I could go on for days with this idiot.
It's like they take pride in being ignorant.
I was just thinking the same thing after reading your post.
Fail of legendary proportions, Mr. Slickens.
Have you ever seen Tboner's performances on the Bush National Guard / Dan Rather topic? I thought those were his Citizen Kane of Failure, but this might have knocked that one to #2.
The right wing gasbags can't argue the matter on the facts - so they spread these lies about "death panels," and "rationing" and "government take-over" and "private insurance will be illegal" and "everybody has to pay monthly into an abortion fund" and on and on and on.
The relentlessly repeat the RNC talking points, spewing lies.
They they say "Well, only half the American people support health care reform."
In other words, they pee into the soup and then complain about the taste...
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Honestly, open_mind, it's as if some of you guys don't read anything at all save for the comments in the MMFA threads, most of which you swallow hook, line and sinker. Your mind is anything BUT open. It's sad that you need links for the most obvious things as this and you think you're being Perry Mason when you ask for them when you should be embarrassed for asking.
Did someone mention Jack Abramoff?
Framing not required. Palin is an idiot. I don't mean that she is stupid. I mean, for a college graduate, she demonstrates zero intellectual curiosity within disdain for intellectualism.
She is perfectly qualified to be Mayor of Wasilla. Every political position beyond that, not so much. Her folksy shtick - "you betcha, "plain old folk", and her unenumerated, undescribed "commonsense" solutions are appealing to the hillbilly electorate. You clearly show you belong with them as you fail to grasp the real damage she is doing to your party. As I've stated here before, I hope the GOP keep trotting her out. It may lead to a true reformation of the Republican party.
I grew up in the midwest, went to large university and a private school's graduate program, and have lived in large cities in the midwest, the east and the mid-Atlantic. I'm not familiar with dialect in Alaska, but you mistake it for zero intellectual curiosity. I've heard quite a few of her political enemies describe her as anything but intellectually incurious. I don't care what you think about her or me, but your description of people you consider your inferiors based in intellect as 'hillbillies' is both mistaken and morally repugnant.
When I speak to the hillbilly electorate, I speak to those who prefer to profess knowledge rather than seek it, who would mandate religiosity through politics notwithstanding the Constitution prohibits it, and who would portray our current President as a totalitarian, a facist, a communist, and finally, who swallow Palin's propaganda ignoring utterly its inaccuracy and lack of factual bases.
Tell me. Do you think MMFA makes good arguments here for their cases of misinformation? Or is this a smear site?
I'm not familiar with dialect in Alaska, but you mistake it for zero intellectual curiosity.
while in fact what tbone wrote was:
Her folksy shtick and
she demonstrates zero intellectual curiosity within disdain for intellectualism.
tbone wrote nothing about the people of Alaska, or the Alaskan dialect in general. What I understand him to be saying is that a specific person, Sarah Palin, has no intellectual curiosity, not the people of Alaska as a whole. Why don't you try reading what others write before responding to them? tbone made no generalizations, and yet that's all you respond to in your post.
Also, tbone did not write that people inferior "based in intellect" are hillbillies, he just wrote about the "hillbilly" electorate. A small distinction perhaps, but an important one when you are responding to the words of someone else.
Just one - the huge public debt she made sure that community must now repay.
If his words sounded that way to you, you're certainly entitled to your interpretation but I'd suggest listening more closely to what he actually said.
Right, it's all a matter of framing... and of what actually happened. Gore never said that he invented the Internet, but that's the charge that's circulated among his critics. Contrast this with FNC's juxtaposition of current news and file footage... which actually happened, and for which FNC apologized on air.
Furthermore, even if you think that what Gore said was vague or phrased in a self serving manner, his statement was corroborated by Internet experts: Gore's actual statement was perfectly valid. Twice in two weeks FNC ran archive footage in place of footage of current events and acknowledged that doing so was a mistake. There is no comparison to be drawn here except for the comparison between an accurate statement and a distortion of news.
Who is crying about his overblown self-importance except Gore's critics? MMFA didn't spontaneously mention Gore without reason: MacDonald is the one who brought up this ridiculous and false charge in the first place.
Guess it depends on whose ox is being bored...
Well, Gore's intent sure sounded a whole lot like he meant to convey that he invented the internet.
This is a perfect example of liberal hypocrisy in all it's evident glory.
It would be just like saying that Eisenhower created the interstate highway system. It doesn't mean he single-handedly designed the concept. It doesn't mean that he went out and single-handedly, physically, built the highway system alone. It means he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system.
Duh.
Gore was answering a question about his accomplishments in the Senate! So he wasn't just bragging or anything, he was responding to a specific question. Moreover, in context, it was very clear that he was talking about legislative/political achievements, not some sort of secret science experiment. It's unbelievable how this myth just keeps on going . . .
Here is a perfect example of your technique. You just make stuff up and expect others to believe you. Guess that comes with the territory of being a right wing nut. Facts? Who needs facts? Research? Why bother looking at the record?
You have a point of view - and, obviously, that's enough.
ClusterFox ran a video of Sarah Palin campaigning for Vice President and presented it as proof that huge crowds were gathering for her book signing.
MM4A correctly pointed out the video was not of the event GOPTV claimed it was.
You wrote above: "MMFA says they were caught red-handed being deceptive in trying to make the crowd appear larger than it was." The second part is a lie. MM4A never wrote that. You added it and then refute it at great length.
LIAR!
Proof? Here are the two MM4A items:
Fox News caught red-handed (again) doctoring video
November 18, 2009 5:54 pm ET by Matt Gertz
UPDATE: For photographic proof that one of the rallies Fox News presented as being from Palin's book tour actually took place last year on the campaign trail, go here.
As the folks over at Think Progress note, Fox News's Gregg Jarrett today used old stock footage of a McCain-Palin rally from last year to illustrate how Sarah Palin is "continuing to draw huge crowds" during her book tour. He was apparently not tipped off by the McCain campaign "Country First" sign in one of the shots, nor did he wonder why Palin would be using a teleprompter to plug her book.
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More proof that Fox ran fake video of Palin's book-tour "crowds"
November 18, 2009 6:29 pm ET by Jeremy Schulman
Earlier, Think Progress caught Fox News showing what was clearly footage of a 2008 Sarah Palin campaign rally but claiming that it was video of "huge crowds" attending Palin's book tour.
But in case the McCain-Palin campaign signs and tee-shirts clearly visible in the footage Fox aired aren't enough to make Fox apologize, here's further proof.
Here's a screenshot of the footage of one of the rallies that Fox's Gregg Jarrett showed today and claimed was "just coming into us" as part of the book tour:...
You can't read, you can't write, and you can't think.
Gore got tagged because he had reputation for grandstanding and standing on the shoulders of others.
Case in point were the Senate hearings on obscene lyrics that was spearheaded by none other than the porcine Tipper. Al got caught grandstanding and mere rockers made him and that whole panel look like fools.
It stinks getting caught on the wrong side of history eh Al? Didn't quite catch that political breeze, but the left never and I mean never holds his feet to the fire on that.
Yeah -- 'cause, as we all know, Repub politicians NEVER, EVER do such a thing . . .
if you read the quotes that various posters have supplied here, the people who did "invent" it, who did the nuts and bolts work, give gore a great amount of credit for being ahead of other politicians on the subject. anyone who knows even a minimal amount about it, knows that there was a limited internet for a long time, mainly limited to academia and the military. gore is the one who urged the government to get behind the concept of the internet as we know it today, available to everyone. gore did something that put him far ahead of his comtemporaties, and all the republicans and most of the media have done since 2000 is lie about his accomplishment.
You need more metaphors.
At least answer this for me: Does the phrase "during my service in the Unites States congress" make any difference to you? Why is that phrase in his statement if he was trying to claim credit for "inventing" something? That makes no sense whatsoever, since that clearly suggests a legislative matter, not anything regarding the nuts-and-bolts involved with inventing something.
Al Gore said the following: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet."
Gore was takind credit, rightly, for championing legislation that fostered the development of what we now know as the internet.
From snopes:
"If President Eisenhower had said in the mid 1960s that he, while president, 'created' the interstate highway system, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he 'invented' the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement."
Seriously, guy. You aren't that old. You know how to use the internet. You should invest in a library card if you don't already have one. And then read/listen to something other than right-wing gobbledegook.
Always found that bit of history interesting. My Grandfather made a car trip from Michigan to L.A. in the twenties and the conditions were about the same as what Ike faced so those pictures became My reference for His stories.
No, he emphatically did not. Do you ever tire of making a fool of yourself, oldman?
I don't know where you've been, but there is this invention called a "search engine". You might want to look into it:
http://www.factcheck.org/2007/10/cognitive-science-and-factcheckorg-or-why-we-still-do-what-we-do/
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Two independent fact-checkers agree. Gore never said it.
Maybe if you put all of the words in caps, and add a few exclamation points, that will make it true. It seems to work on you right wing screechmonkeys.
Then, when all else fails, just change the subject . . .
However, the funny thing here is, there is no question government was directly responsible for the entirety of research about it. Almost all of the research that preceded the internet was either funded by government (through the RAND corporation) or was just outright invented by government (through ARPA and DARPA). The World Wide Web was also done by government, although it was done by our friends across the Atlantic through funding at CERN. So, in this case, government was 100% responsible for the internet and the world wide web.
I know she was being sarcastic, but she needs to go away! Or go hide under a:
To answer this idiots answer with a truthful answer:
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military. SO IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT! *facepalm*