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Beck blames "local officials" for Katrina tragedy: They "didn't get people out in time"

November 23, 2009 12:07 pm ET

From the November 23 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

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Previously:

ABC's Stephanopoulos repeated school bus falsehood spread by Pruden, Hannity, and Gingrich

Beck baselessly claimed Nagin did not order evacuation until "the day after President Bush called him and told him" to

Glenn Beck called hurricane survivors in New Orleans "scumbags," said he "hates" 9-11 families

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    • Author by MickD (November 23, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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      Dude, this isn't a good thing to bring up if you want to uptick "your side." There is enough evidence, destruction and death that even your true believers would say, "don't bring that up."
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    • Author by blueline99 (November 23, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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      Look who's rewriting history now?

      A city wide evacuation order came from the local government on Aug 28th, after the Hurricane was upgraded to a Category 5... the Superdome was a "safe haven" for those who couldn't leave the city, which despite the damage to the Superdome, worked to save the lives of some 26,000 people.

      The failure was FEMAs response to the recovery. After the storm hit, the local government was decimated and the urgency from the Bush administration was inadequate to say the least.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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        the local government was decimated

        That's because New Orleans survived the hurricane. I believe it was a Category 2 or 3 when it made landfall. It was the FLOOD that literally swamped the local government.

        Brownie's response? Send semis with ice to Maine and parking thousands of trailers in Arkansas.

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        • Author by mjh (November 23, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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          "Brownie's response? Send semis with ice to Maine and parking thousands of trailers in Arkansas."



          And, proclaim himself a "fashion god" . . .

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    • Author by epkklk851 (November 23, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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      Ah Gee, Glenn, I thought you were all about personal responsibility and not taking government handouts. Don't you think the people in New Orleans should have gotten out on their own when they heard there was a Cat 5 Hurricane on the way? And don't you really think they should have taken care of the clean up on their own? Now, me, I am a liberal. I would have spent a lot more money protecting the levees and evacuation planning. And I would have been there faster to help with the clean-up. But, then, as a liberal, I believe in big government.
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      • Author by jj1only (November 23, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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        oops. Looks like someone puked "liberalese" all over the floor in here.
        Let' all blame the Bush administration for the failures of local goverment. Let's not assume responsibility for anything, after all, that's the governments job to do my thinking for me
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        • Author by epkklk851 (November 23, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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          Well, let's see, how much responsibility did the people in the 9th Ward or the City of New Orleans, for that matter have over the levees, which were under control of the Federal government, the Corps of Engineers, to be exact? Did the city of New Orleans have a disaster plan in case the levees broke, they should have, if they didn't, they bare responsibility to their people. But it isn't really the job of an individual resident to have an evacuation plan from the city they have lived in all their lives. Neither do I believe it is the responsibility of that individual resident to restore the schools, hospitals and other infrastructures that were damaged. And what's your excuse for puking Conservacrap all over the floor here?
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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            It was reported that FEMA did contract out for an evacuation plan. With a Bush crony, who was paid hundreds of thousands and didn't even formulate the plan they were paid to complete.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (November 23, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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              Government contracts may be something of my business, but that doesn't mean I don't think a lot of them are mistakes. We can't go to war without contractors nowadays. Seriously. Our tent barracks, showers and chow halls are all set up by contractors.
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        • Author by mjh (November 23, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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          "oops. Looks like someone puked "liberalese" all over the floor in here blah blah blah . . ." --jj1only



          Somebody puked, all right -- but it wasn't "liberalese" . . .

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    • Author by bluenoser (November 23, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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      If a fireman says get out of your building it's going to burn down, would'nt you get out of the building? The fault of what happened in LA lays squarely at the feet of the people who stayed, local officials and state officials.
      Anyone with a shred of common sense would've left the area, anyone who beleives for a second that in a disaster that the government is going to save your butt is lacking common sense. The best person to save me is me, not some government official who has 50K others to help out.
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      • Author by blueline99 (November 23, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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        That's easy to say when you're detached from the situation and the time. I live in California and every year the hills catch fire and head towards a neighborhood.

        The Police and Fire department tells everyone to evacuate, but there's always 30-50 people who stay with their home to try to fight it.

        Also, you presume that everyone has the ability to leave town. Remember, it wasn't upgraded to a Category 5 and the evac announcement didn't happen until Sunday morning. Eldery, handicapped, impovershed, all would have a difficult time to evacuate in 24 hours time.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 4:45 pm ET)
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        Anyone with a shred of common sense would've left the area

        Sheesh, you just don't get it. The people who stayed were POOR. They had no car. They had no money. They had no vacation home. They'd ridden out hurricanes in the past. It was the unprecedented FLOOD that was the culprit.

        Your butt is lacking common sense. And compassion.
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    • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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      What's the problem with what he said? I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the city government DID screw up the evacuation?

      All the buses sat in lots while the city flooded.
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      • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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        Uh, thumbs down don't make what I said untrue. They left the freaking busses in a lot!

        A little objectivity would be nice sometimes, you partisan hacks.
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        • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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          The reason you got thumbs down is because you stated a false talking point, not truth.
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          • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 4:57 pm ET)
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            What was false? Are you saying that the buses didn't sit in the lot?
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 5:19 pm ET)
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              Amazing. One picture of parked buses and immediately you've got the situation all figured out.

              Yes, you're correct, the buses sat in the lot. They were probably gassed up and ready to go. But people are not going to leave when they don't know where they're going and don't have any money to survive on and don't know when they're going to return and they've ridden out hurricanes in the past.

              So how would you have gone about filling those buses? With the National Guard? Nope, they were in Iraq. With the police? Nope, they were evacuating the city.

              Pretend you were Nagin. How would you have filled those buses just sitting in that lot?
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              • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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                "But people are not going to leave when they don't know where they're going and don't have any money to survive on and don't know when they're going to return and they've ridden out hurricanes in the past."

                So you're saying it's the citizens' fault?
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
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                  Let me explain this to you. Read carefully.

                  Most everyone survived the hurricane. It was the flood, that was UNEXPECTED, that caused the death and misery. If there was no flood, there would have been fewer problems.
                  But there was a flood - remember, it was UNEXPECTED - and the only entity that can provide assistance after an UNEXPECTED flood, is the federal government. You know, because local authorities are UNDER WATER due to the UNEXPECTED flood.

                  The blame is not on the citizens. It's on FEMA because the citizens have ridden out hurricanes before. However, they had to deal with the UNEXPECTED flood.

                  Got it?
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                  • Author by mescal (November 23, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
                       
                    I doubt seriously it.
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                    • Author by mescal (November 23, 2009 10:31 pm ET)
                         
                      We

                      Er... I mean, I seriously doubt it.

                      Dork doesn't seem to get much that's said here. Of course, it IS hard to get points that you're determined NOT to get.
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 23, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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        They weren't buses the city could just USE.

        There weren't DRIVERS for those buses.

        The people who stayed in their homes were told to leave their homes by the city. No city can FORCE people to leave their homes.

        The people who could have been saved, but weren't, were people left to wait for FEMA's help for too many days. The Federal Govt should have been prepared for a Cat 5 storm hitting New Orleans based upon the information they got on Saturday. It shouldn't have taken until the next Thursday and Friday to get enough help into the city!

        No city can manage that kind of help. Only FEMA can. And FEMA eventually DID do it - but 3 days later than they should have.

        It was FEMA's job, and they were slow.
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        • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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          Sure, there NOT BEING ANY DRIVERS wasn't the city's fault.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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            dorko, the people who stayed were mainly poor. They had no car. They had no money. If they left the city, they were at the mercy of strangers. What would they eat? Where would they stay? When would they be able to return?

            They decided to stay with their worldly possessions. They'd ridden out hurricanes before. It was the FLOOD that caused the disaster, not the hurricane.

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            • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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              Thank you for giving a reasonble reply. Hmmm...you gave a reasonable reply and...what do you know, I get it.

              Still, I don't fault Beck for saying that the city is to blame, when they completely bungled the operation. Everyone is blaming someone, but somehow Beck is wrong for thinking that the city is the problem.
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              • Author by Barry Bonds (November 23, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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                Why does it feel like the Bush Administration is given a pass on EVERYTHING!

                Republican say: don't talk about Bush - even though he was our last President and he caused a lot of mess.
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              • Author by foghornleghorn (November 23, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
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                when they completely bungled the operation.

                Nagin told the people to leave. So when they didn't leave, it's his fault?

                People aren't just going to get on a bus to nowhere with nothing but the clothes on their backs. Nagin didn't have the resources to set up "refugee" camps. FEMA did. And they failed.
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              • Author by blueline99 (November 23, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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                It's the deflection of blame from the Federal government. If President Obama was in office during Katrina, he certainly would be blaming him... and calling him names at the same time.
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      • Author by shaggles (November 23, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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        4 thumbs down? It's not like he called Nagin a murderer.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 23, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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      Beck blames "local officials" for Katrina tragedy: They "didn't get people out in time"

      The overall total of help for people following the hurricane's landfall could have been avoided. You do not wait until two days before landfall to issue a warning. Everyone is to blame for the problem about the response after the hurricane. From local all the way to the federal government. A mistake on everyones part, but with that over and the lack of help to fix the mess to this day following Katrina is very bad especially in highly poor communities.
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    • Author by Ruby (November 23, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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      As a Louisiana resident (I live in Baton Rouge), I have no problem saying that Katrina was kind of the perfect storm--because we had incompetent people on all levels of government

      Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin were totally unprepared, and they certainly could have handled things much better.

      HOWEVER, the real cost of Katrina occurred after the storm, as people died by the thousands during FEMA's failed rescue efforts. I'll never forget seeing hundreds of people stranded at the convention center all over television, and then watching Brownie do an interview several days later saying he had no idea about it.
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    • Author by williamsn517 (November 23, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
         
      So, now everything beck has talked about is coming true because someone in the new york times is screaming "the sky is falling!"? I thought the right wingers didn't like the new york times, they always said that it was a left wing propaganda machine.
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