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Beck uses his Fox News show to promote his "Plan" to "save our country"

November 23, 2009 5:24 pm ET

From the November 23 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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    • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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      Mock him all you want, then go read the front page of today's New York Times.

      Wave of Debt Payments Facing U.S. Government http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/business/23rates.html
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      • Author by pros2pros2940 (November 23, 2009 5:40 pm ET)
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        It's cute when republicans talk about debt.

        They forget that Reagan / Bush 1 tripled it and Bush 2/Cheney doubled it.

        And the long term costs of Iraq/Afghanistan will be with us for some time. Of course republicans support wars, they just don't want to pay for them by raising taxes.


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        • Author by toombsie (November 23, 2009 5:47 pm ET)
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          And Reagan was the father of increasing the national debt in times of peace. His entire "Reagonomics" platform was rooted in spending money on weapons and cutting taxes (thus running up the debt).

          http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

          That chart is damning - Reagan and Bush I exploded the national debt after many years of debt reduction after WWII - Clinton balanced the budget and lowered it, and then came George W to increase again with his stupid tax cuts and wars. Obama's contribution is the necessary contribution that comes from dealing with a financial crisis.
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        • Author by toombsie (November 23, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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          I see you basically said what I said... perhaps I should read before posting.

          Oh well I added a chart! wooooooooooooo
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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          It's even cuter watching Democrats quardruple the debt after a Republicans doubled it. OK, snarky comments aside, isnt it time to drop the whole Democrat vs Rebublican debate? It's stupid. They both rot! They have both steered this country to the point where we are at now, our own debt is threatening to crush us. This isnt all Obama's fault. This isnt all Bush's fault. Both parties have blame and it extends back several decades. Stop acting like kids in sandbox and figure out how to break the cycle. Put our faith in Dems? I'll pass. Put our faith in Repubs? No thanks. I'm all done voting the party-line and I've done it for both.
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          • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 6:51 pm ET)
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            MaineiacMan . . . I don't believe in political parties. Read Federalist 10. Madison warned against political "factions" or parties. The problem we have right now is loyalty to stupid political clubs which has taken precedence over loyalty to our country.

            I'm a conservative, but George W. Bush, with the help of his rubber stamp Congress, almost destroyed our country . . . I don't CARE what letter was behind his name or theirs. I don't agree with everything that Obama and the Congress have done in the past 10 months, but posting false talking points here to support a cause which is specious . . . not gonna happen.

            BTW, Obama can only propose expenditures . . . he can't appropriate funds.
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            • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 7:25 pm ET)
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              Very true. As a senator, he voted for all of the expenditures that Bush proposed. Thus he appropriated the funds that Bush proposed. The current congress has appropriated all of the expenses and programs that Pres. Obama has proposed. It isnt just him, it isnt just Bush. They are virtually all rotten fruit.
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              • Author by Max Credits (November 23, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
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                Back to Beck... MaineiacMan, why to you suppose he supported and called for an even bigger bank bailout last fall?
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                • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
                     
                  Not a clue. In my world, no company is to big to fail. America is (or at least it used to be) all about risk and reward. This may not sound overly sensitive but failure is a part of that equation. Companies in line for bailouts will be back time and time again. It isnt a good precident to set. I say let the companies seeking bailouts fail and let another entrepenuer with a new business plan come in and try to create a new dream.
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                  • Author by Max Credits (November 23, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
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                    Beck's support of the bank bailout proves to me that hiss "plan" is to sell books. He is a total fake.
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              • Author by open_mind (November 23, 2009 9:49 pm ET)
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                Very true. As a senator, [Obama] voted for all of the expenditures that Bush proposed.
                That't a clear lie on its face. Obama did not even take office in the Senate until 2005. Bush was inaugurated in 2001. Are you under the delusion that Bush did not propose any expenditures from 2001 to 2005?
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                • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
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                  No, not what I am saying. I am however under the dilusion that Pres Obama voted for every bailout and spending plan that Pres. Bush came up with while Obama was a senator. Are you under the dilusion that he would have voted differently prior to 2005? Come on, stop playing Dems - vs - repubs and wake up. They are damn near all the same!
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                  • Author by mescal (November 24, 2009 1:26 am ET)
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                    Well, Obama would clearly have voted against Dubya's BIGGEST and COSTLIEST spending plan... the Iraq War. That would have saved the nation over THREE TRILLION DOLLARS, as well as having made it far more difficult for Dubya' to blow up the deficit the way he did.

                    And THAT ALONE is a difference worth noting.
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                  • Author by open_mind (November 24, 2009 3:28 am ET)
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                    I am an Independent. I don't care about parties. I just want you to stop lying about Obama's record. As you can see below, Obama did not vote for every budget measure proposed by Bush while Obama was in the Senate.

                    You are not going to convince anyone to come to your point of view, while you insist on telling obvious lies.
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                    • Author by MaineiacMan (November 24, 2009 5:50 am ET)
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                      Dude, NV stands for "not vote", which he did more often than not. That being said, technically he didnt vote for EVERY funding measure Bush proposed so I'll apologize. However, I dont see any no votes on big money issues. Look at the first one on the list...
                      Economic Stabilization/Bailout Bill - yes
                      scroll down
                      Iran/Afghanistan war funding - yes
                      Budget Resolution - yes
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                      • Author by open_mind (November 24, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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                        Dude, NV stands for "not vote"
                        Ummm...Duh? Re-read my post below. I never made such a claim.
                        technically he didnt vote for EVERY funding measure Bush proposed so I'll apologize.
                        Apology accepted. Now we can have an adult conversation hopefully.

                        I am not against the bailout. I think it was executed poorly, but from what I have read, it was the right thing to do. Same for Iran/Afghanistan funding. We cannot just unfund the wars. There were better ways of handling things. According to the link, Obama only voted "Y" on the 2008 budget, which was written largely by his own party. There is nothing wrong or unusual about that.

                        I guess my main question would be what do you think is an alternative? I am not a big fan of a minimal government as it would only work in an ideal agrarian society.
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                        • Author by MaineiacMan (November 24, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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                          An alternative to what? Burying ourselves in politically pork laiden debt? We have BIG problems. Most of which I think are a direct result of no accountability in DC. Congressmen (and women), as well as senators bring home the bacon in the form of pork projects, we applaud them and re-elect them time and time again. The government creates new entitlements we cant afford and continues to grow. I think DC is the only area that hasnt felt the recession that we are in because government continues to grow. It isnt sustainable. If you want a solution from me, I'd say we'd have to start with no new pork (give Pres Obama and all Presidents to follow a line item veto), no new government agencies, no new entitlements and a budget that commits to trimming 1 trillion per year off the national debt. I dont know how crazy that makes me sound but that is where I'd start.

                          Thanks for asking
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                          • Author by open_mind (November 24, 2009 2:17 pm ET)
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                            You're absolutely right. You do sound crazy. All of your proposals are easy to say, but impossible to do - not that we would necessarily want to do all of them right now. When nobody is spending, sometimes the government needs to. This is how we came out of the Great Depression.

                            I am all for triming the yearly budget deficit after the economy rights itself more. We should slightly raise taxes and trim government when the economy is going well to help make it easier to grow government and lower taxes when things are bad.
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                            • Author by MaineiacMan (November 24, 2009 7:36 pm ET)
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                              I disagree with you (and probably alot of folks)about what the role of government should be. Economically speaking, I feel that it should be limited....very limited. They, of course, need to monitor, regulate and prevent fraud and crimes. I dont think that the government is responsible for economic recoveries. I think that the government actually prolongs recessions with excessive spending (especially when they tax to pay for it).

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              • Author by open_mind (November 23, 2009 10:06 pm ET)
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                Furthermore - Obama votes on budget issues:

                http://www.zimbio.com/Barack+Obama+Voting+Record/articles/5/Barack+Obama+Voting+Record+Budget+Issues

                I see a good deal of "N"'s in there.
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                • Author by MaineiacMan (November 24, 2009 5:51 am ET)
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                  Dude, NV stands for "not vote", which he did more often than not. That being said, technically he didnt vote for EVERY funding measure Bush proposed so I'll apologize. However, I dont see any no votes on big money issues. Look at the first one on the list...
                  Economic Stabilization/Bailout Bill - yes
                  scroll down
                  Iran/Afghanistan war funding - yes
                  Budget Resolution - yes

                  Sorry about the misplaced post above
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        • Author by snewkirk (November 23, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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          I think the bigger point is that it's happening, & how important an issue it is/isn't.

          I don't think it matters who did it first.
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      • Author by pete592 (November 23, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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        Are you not paying attention???

        At the end of this video, Beck implies that we're not supposed to be reading the New York Times:
        "If we're going to save our country, we have to be ahead of the game, which counts out all the New York Times writers..."
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      • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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        You know where most of those debts came from, MaineacMan? It wasn't Obama or the Democrats. Were you jumping up and down when Bush and the Republican Congress took a surplus and turned it into a HUGE deficit? I was. Guess you were asleep.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 7:19 pm ET)
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          If you were jumping up and down then are you jumping up and down now?
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      • Author by magnolialover (November 23, 2009 6:08 pm ET)
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        I thought that you guys didn't like the LIBERAL NY Times?
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      • Author by sodium (November 23, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
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        MaineiacMan screeched:"Mock him all you want"

        How can you do anything but with this froot-loop?

        He is a total joke.

        Still, I hope you enjoy watching your very own personal rodeo-clown.....LOL!
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 7:21 pm ET)
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          Read the Times story and tell me that you dont see a problem.
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          • Author by New Frontier (November 23, 2009 9:00 pm ET)
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            Read the Times story and tell me that you dont see a problem.
            Yeah. And? What? Did some imaginary person say "There's no problem?"

            Beck is plundering the moldy, rotten depths of angry whites and the post-election hatred for Obama for all its worth. That's the only economic issue he's really interested in.
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            • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 10:44 pm ET)
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              Do you see a debt problem that our country needs to deal with or not?
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              • Author by New Frontier (November 24, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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                There's zero connection between "debt problem" and Glenn Beck---except for the word "problem", as he is clearly exploiting white anger and Obama-hatred for profit.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (November 23, 2009 7:29 pm ET)
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          screeched? lol! How about 'howled'?
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    • Author by pilotshark (November 23, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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      We dont need a stinking idiots spewing BS about things you can not even begin to being close to understanding.

      Cowards will have there day and yours along with the others will fine out soon enough.

      What happens went you fine out that the masses you are talking about comes after you.
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      • Author by sodium (November 23, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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        Hey no offence Pilotshark, but you need to take a deep breath and maybe learn how to spell, or even construct a cogent sentence or two....sheesh.
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    • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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      MM, you say "Beck uses his Fox News show to promote his "Plan" to 'save our country'" as if it's a conspiracy or something for him to be using HIS show to promote HIS ideas.

      He's using HIS show, as opposed to using what?---sky writing, dropping leaflets, tagging buildings in the inner city?

      I mean, no duh.
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      • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 6:00 pm ET)
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        His show on a network which calls itself a "news" network, yet admits that the majority of its programming is opinion, not news.

        Went right over your head, didn't it?
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        • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 6:03 pm ET)
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          I guess the concept of an opinion show on a news network goes over yours.
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          • Author by Civic Racecar (November 23, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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            So are you saying that Fox News Channel should really be changed to Fox Opinion Channel? Honestly, I would have no qualms with that k1dork. Call a spade, a spade, right?
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            • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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              No, I'm saying: BIG DEAL! & SO WHAT?

              The report news. They also have opinion shows. Most news stations have opinion shows as well.
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              • Author by soze169880 (November 23, 2009 9:14 pm ET)
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                I'm gonna take a shot in the dark at where you intend to take this: "BUT OLBERMANN!!!!! BUT REVEREND WRIGHT!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!"
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              • Author by mescal (November 23, 2009 9:48 pm ET)
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                Except that the Faux News Channel DOESN'T report news. Instead, it DISTORTS it in order to advance a corporate agenda. It is a PROPAGANDA operation, from top to bottom.

                Try and pay attention, Dork.
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          • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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            Nope, not at all. The name of the network is Fox NEWS network. Fox has admitted that the majority of its programming is opinion. Doesn't matter that Beck has an opinion show . . . it's the fact that Fox advertises itself as a "fair and balanced" NEWS network. It isn't. 17 of its 24 hour programming has been confirmed as "opinion." The remaining 7 hours are questionable. If it's going to be a primarily "opinion" network . . . call it that.

            You are missing the point of the thread . . . again, went right over your little pointy head.

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            • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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              I think the concept of having an opion other than yours goes over your head.

              They cover news AND have opinion shows. Big deal.
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              • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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                Nope . . . you continue to miss the point of the thread, dork. Now, I know why you like Beck so much. So very sad.
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                • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
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                  What am I missing? I'm willing to discuss with you. What is the point I'm missing?
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                  • Author by mescal (November 23, 2009 9:53 pm ET)
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                    You've been TOLD the point over and over. If you haven't gotten it by now, it's you're just not that bright, or you're willfully functioning as an apologist for Faux News Channel's propaganda efforts.
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                  • Author by Ruby (November 24, 2009 12:56 am ET)
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                    Give me an example of another opinion commentator on another news network using their show as a tool to promote a political rally.

                    Better yet, give me another example of another news network running free promos for and devoting 24 hour coverage to a political rally sponsored by one of their commentators.
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      • Author by pete592 (November 23, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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        As opposed to actually having to pay to advertise your own event.

        It's not a conspiracy, it's just plain lazy self-promotion without any sacrifice whatsoever.
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        • Author by k1dork (November 23, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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          Why pay when you have your OWN show to advertise on? Are you serious?
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          • Author by bintx (November 23, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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            Ethics, dork, something you apparently don't understand. You don't understand anything on this thread which a) explains why you are a Beck fan and b) is very sad.
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          • Author by open_mind (November 23, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
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            Isn't that called an infomercial?
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          • Author by pete592 (November 23, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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            I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's still lazy self-promotion without sacrifice. What's even more amusing is that Murdoch is bankrolling his airtime to plug it. I'm not sure what incentive Roger has to allow it, but it must be worth it somehow.
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      • Author by Übermensch (November 23, 2009 7:08 pm ET)
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        MM, you say "Beck uses his Fox News show to promote his "Plan" to 'save our country'" as if it's a conspiracy or something for him to be using HIS show to promote HIS ideas.


        Problem with this line of thinking is that he is bringing non-work related subjects to work and using work-time to accomplish something he should be paying for.

        I liken it to you using company letterhead to print off a flier for a party you are having that is non-work related. Everywhere else its called theft...on FNC it's called an opinion.

        Truth be told if Beck wants to promote his ideas, he can take out an ad like everyone else, and not jack a tv show to pump out propaganda
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    • Author by blueline99 (November 23, 2009 5:47 pm ET)
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      Amazing how little Beck thinks of our country.

      We go from everything normal to "the end is nigh" in 11 months?

      Nothing that President Obama has done or intends to do will end this nation. Who is Beck talking to?

      I don't feel like I lost my country... if anything, I feel that in the last 20 years, the Christian Right has acquired to much political clout in this country, because they don't represent anything that I beleive in.

      So Mr. Beck... you can scare your throngs of white, middle class, middle americans who you are facing uncertain times and you have pointed your finger... Obama is the one to blame, he's at fault for all your problems.

      Please... you are a modern day PT Barnum. You scam your audience, you are intellectually dishonest, but worse than a circus... you are dangerous.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 23, 2009 9:43 pm ET)
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        blueline, in FAR RIGHT WINGNUT WORLD they are frightened that if PRESIDENT OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS SUCCEED that they will find themselves so marginalized that they will be also rans for years to come like they were between 1932 to 1952. Serves them right.
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    • Author by pete592 (November 23, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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      "We are much, much bigger than SEIU!"
      SEIU Membership: 2.1 million
      Total Beck Audience on Nov. 20th: 2.4 million

      OK, I guess it depends on how you define "much, much."
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      • Author by snewkirk (November 23, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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        I wonder how many of those 2.4million are watching just for kicks & not because they agree with Beck in any way. I for one watch Beck on occasion simply because I like to watch the train wreck as it happens.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 23, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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      Beck uses his Fox News show to promote his "Plan" to "save our country"

      While some people with simple minds wait. Other people with decent intellegence will be:

      [http://www.stanford.edu/~ccecka/personal/ZZZZZ.jpg]

      We have more inportant stuff to worry about then your "PLAN!"

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      • Author by pete592 (November 23, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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        Gotta be careful how big of an image you attempt to insert.
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        • Author by Boxer1979 (November 23, 2009 7:49 pm ET)
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          Yeah I seen how big it was. It was picture of a man sleeping. Something better than to listen to Becky's rants! LOL!
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      • Author by jmariemo (November 23, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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        A polyester blend blazer perhaps? Is that what I'm seeing?
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      • Author by open_mind (November 23, 2009 7:01 pm ET)
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        You should be able to right-click and choose show image or view image on firefox. Worked for me anyway.
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    • Author by Publius39 (November 23, 2009 5:52 pm ET)
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      How can a person with no college degree and only two brain cells educate anyone? Calling this guy crazy would be an understatement.
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    • Author by tbone (November 23, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
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      BREAKING NEWS! An advance draft of Glenn Beck's "Plan" was discovered in a dumpster outside his home. Be the first to get a glimpse of Glenn's 100 year plan for America!

      [http://www.allaboutmovies.com.au/images/pictures/store/M/meinkampf.jpg]
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    • Author by John Paradox (November 24, 2009 3:31 am ET)
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      On Battlestar Galactica, the Cylons had a plan, too.....
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    • Author by ProgLib (November 24, 2009 5:31 am ET)
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      this guy is feeding on innocent people's fears and because of the sheep they are, they follow and obey. if he can corrupt the minds of so many idiots in this country, its bound to get worse. i hate to bring negativity into this situation instead of the comedy beck offers on a daily basis, but, i guess its the reality of things
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