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Endorsing the Manhattan Declaration, Coulter compares "cultural crisis" to Holocaust, slavery

November 24, 2009 6:44 am ET

From the November 23 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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Coulter says diversity has "Jumped the Shark," compares it to cancer, pollution

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    • Author by jjamele2880 (November 24, 2009 6:59 am ET)
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      Off-topic, but Joe Scarborough, discussing Patrick Kennedy's criticism of the Catholic Bishop who called for him to be refused communion, just launched into that tired old "it seems that Conservative Priests are the only people you are allowed to criticize these days" whine that rich white males just love to spout whenever their feelings get hurt. Never mind how totally bizarre Scarborough's claim is- nobody criticizes Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, etc? Are they Conservative Catholic White Men?

      And of course, within minutes, Scarborough and an army of others will be right back criticizing the people he just said we are "not allowed to criticize anymore." Groan.
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      • Author by snoopy (November 24, 2009 7:21 am ET)
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        I'm just curious why priests don't deny communion to the war mongers and greedy politicians too? Oh, that's right, because in their eyes God is a hypocrite too.
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        • Author by juliajayne1 (November 24, 2009 8:01 am ET)
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          And don't forget those that support the death penalty.

          Btw, Hey Snoop!
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          • Author by snoopy (November 24, 2009 8:34 am ET)
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            Hey JJ! Sure is getting cold up here in Ohio. Can't wait till christmas, that will be the 1st time I get to go back home and see my family since I took this job!
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          • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 24, 2009 8:39 am ET)
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            Not sure about the "war mongers" part ("every president has their war", a soldier once told me) but I agree with you on the death penalty issue.

            That being said, Rhode Island hasn't executed anyone since the 1800's, I don't believe.
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            • Author by christopher howard (November 24, 2009 8:56 am ET)
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              The Catholic Church has taken a somewhat principled stand about the immorality of war. The contradiction comes when they put teeth in their reaction against politicians who support abortion rights but offer nothing more than tepid criticism against politicians who are eager to support military adventures.

              At least on matters such as poverty, the Catholics are arguably more forward thinking and charitable than goons like Coulter.
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              • Author by juliajayne1 (November 24, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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                I guess they should not let any pol that supports the death penalty have communion either, if they're being consistent.
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 24, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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                  Agreed.

                  Although it seems like the bishops have some autonomy on this, so "they" might not be the best terminology to use. That's why I pointed out that that in RI, the death penalty is illegal, so it's a bit of a non-issue for that bishop.
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        • Author by blk-in-alabam (November 24, 2009 8:44 am ET)
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          Donations
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      • Author by MickD (November 24, 2009 8:30 am ET)
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        Oh yes, priest are critic proof. The Vatican has proved that time and time again when they've swept their scandals under their expensive rugs.
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    • Author by drempala (November 24, 2009 7:27 am ET)
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      Drew Carey signed on?! And speaking of weird-looking, I hope when she's seventy, Ann Coulter will stop doing her book photos in dominatrix dresses. Finally, wasn't Hitler a Catholic in good standing at the time of his death, and didn't the Vatican become a state in exchange for public support for Mussolini?
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      • Author by reanna-mator (November 24, 2009 7:49 am ET)
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        What about Drew Carey? I watched the whole clip. Did I miss something?
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        • Author by drempala (November 24, 2009 8:51 am ET)
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          I was wrong. It was Chuck Colson.
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          • Author by christopher howard (November 24, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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            Ha! Funny confusion. Drew Carey does skew somewhat libertarian-conservative I believe, but he's no Chuck Colson.
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            • Author by soze169880 (November 24, 2009 9:55 am ET)
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              To be fair, I think the idea of Colson as a born-again Christian is every bit as weird as the idea of Carey as one. (This is assuming, very generously, that Colson isn't in it exclusively for the money.)
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          • Author by reanna-mator (November 24, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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            Thank the gods. I have a lot of respect for Carey, but that would have taken most of it away. Thought I missed something there.
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    • Author by christopher howard (November 24, 2009 7:34 am ET)
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      Coulter: "And they [the churches] are off talking about, if anything, something 'fashionable' like the poor and AIDs in Africa."

      What a contemptible statement.
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      • Author by juliajayne1 (November 24, 2009 8:21 am ET)
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        Contemptible indeed.

        I can think of another C word that could be applied to Coulter, but since she lacks both the warmth or depth, it'd be a misnomer.

        And she apparently also doesn't know about the role of, most notably, the Quakers and Methodists in the abolitionist movement.
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    • Author by Onyxcat (November 24, 2009 8:06 am ET)
         
      He did say the report was 4,700 pages long? ? ?
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    • Author by mikelartist (November 24, 2009 8:13 am ET)
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      Just for chuckles, let's turn the moral compass to point at these two wingnuts discussing the "evil of liberalism" here.

      Was O'reilly displaying his true colors when he was settling a sexual harassment suit outside of court? Was he honoring the sanctity of marriage?

      Does Coulter realize that she lives in sin each and every day according to the tenets of the Manhattan Declaration?

      tsk tsk tsk... where is the true leadership of the Conservative movement on the "crumbling moral culture" in this country? Because it surely can't be found in these two failures.
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      • Author by snoopy (November 24, 2009 8:58 am ET)
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        They're too busy drafting a purity pledge for their party to worry about things like morals.
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        • Author by Bronwyn (November 24, 2009 7:51 pm ET)
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          Snoop, Coulter is too busy, perfecting the Jews, to worry about her own morals.
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      • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 9:22 am ET)
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        Her admission that she "sleeps around," but that it's okay because she's not married . . . . pretty much a big old sin, too. It's interesting that the priest at the Episcopalian church she claims to attend has never seen her in his church.

        Also interesting that the guy who drafted the declaration spent time in the federal penitentiary for obstruction of justice. I realize that Colson found Jesus in prison and has tried to straighten up his act, but he has no moral authority over anyone else. He's a sinner just like the rest of us.

        Great role models.
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    • Author by manofmystique (November 24, 2009 8:20 am ET)
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      Apparently there are some who thinks silly season is all year round. Ann Coulter is one of those people.
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    • Author by worrierking (November 24, 2009 8:30 am ET)
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      I can almost understand being lectured to by someone who devoted their life to a religious calling. Someone who believes he's bringing the Lord's work to those most in need.

      But to be berated two wealthy, fawning, pompous, religious hypocrites is way past disgusting.

      Here we have two people, who work tirelessly to undermine those less fortunate. Both cry about the coarseness of society, but both write lurid tales of murder and revenge.

      Both should go sit on top of O'Reilly's "Bold, Steaming Pile of Shi."
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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (November 24, 2009 8:42 am ET)
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      There should be a declaration.When churches ask for money for politics,they should become stake holders and pay taxes.There are many small towns in USA with empty store fronts,in their business districts.Churches move in and protest and business trying to move into the business district.There is a small town in Alabama where the mayor had to put a band on churches opening up in the towns business district.The town was broke.The churches produced no tax income,and were keeping tax paying business form locating in the towns business district.There are some things I could say about republican party media's use of Holocaust,and Hitler,but I won't.A word that comes to mind is complicity
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 10:49 am ET)
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        Pope Pius X11 did absolutely nothing to really help the Jews or even condemn the Nazis genocide until March 1944. He didnt do this out of kindness, it was more likely he did this to avoid further criticism about staying silent while an entire religion was tortured and slaughtered like Cattle. He cared more about his standing with Germany that the massacres and atrocities committed by the Nazis and supported Nazism over communism throughout most of the war. He was anti-semitic, selfish and cruel. It would be like watching people get beaten to death across the street by a mugger and not bothering to call the cops or the ambulance until the victim was likely dead. He didnt take part in the crime but his heart was cold as ice to do so little to help or prevent it.

        For more, read The Catholic Church and the Holocaust by Michael Phayer. It is frightening how much the pope knew, how little he did, how later he did it and how his own interests in supporting a good relationship with Hitler far outweighed any moral dilemma that may or may not have occurred in his feeble little mind.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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        The really disturbing thing is that out of most of the world, pius' tiny little nothing resembling some fragment of help and opposition eventually occurring when the Holocaust was reaching massive proportions and became the epitome of evil was one of the few leaders in europe who actually spoke up against the Holocaust. Many people, especially polish risked their lives and their families lives to help save even a few Jewish lives but leadership was mostly silent.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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        There have been 22,211 awards given out called righteous among the nations to honor those who hid, warned, sheltered or in any way helped the Jews otherwise condemned to death by the Nazis. Not surprisingly, the Pope is no where among these names. While father Benoit smuggled 4000 Italian Jews into France and saved 99 percent of them from certain death, the pope actively discouraged this. He never publicly protested the Holocaust using the name or the word Jews or the word genocide or Germany or Nazis until 1944 and constantly pursued neutrality with the Nazis.
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        • Author by christopher howard (November 24, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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          Sharpe: I agree the Catholic Chruch generically, and Pope Pius XII specifically, have a checkered record vis-a-vis the rise of fascism and their support of the Nazis. While a number of individual clergy/pastors acted bravely in opposition (Bonhoffer, Galen, etc.), much of the church hierarchy (not just the Catholics, but protestant denominations as well) were silent or in many cases colluded with the fascists. Even after the war the "ratline" (with help from the Vatican) allowed many criminally culpable fascists to escape justice.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)#Vatican_involvement

          Ironically Pius XIIs predecessor (Pius XI) was less friendly to Nazism but died shortly before the beginning of WWII.
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          • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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            In general the church either actively supported genocide or stood by and let it happen without interference of help of any kind. Of course, there were a few brave heros within the churches rsnks who saved many lives but the fact is this was a fraction of a percent of the churches clergy and often those who were not in major leadership. Some joined the nazi party and helped the nazis which is appalling but it is not all that surprising that the church itself was so passive or inactive against the systematic extermination of 6 millions jews and millions of others. Add the holocaust to a deep and growing stain on the face of this facade that is the catholic church. The protestant sects did not have the type of sway that the catholic church had the potential of having. If you think about what oscar schindler did or the zegota polish underground resistance - one man with a factory and a small group of random underground poles, none of whom had any real political influence or sway who together are respnsible for the lives of ten of thousands. Then, IMAGINE WHAT A POPE COULD HAVE DONE. Instead of a hero, his inaction has made him almost as culpable as those who committed the atrocities. May pius' last random acts under political pressure never be remembered among the great heros in yad vashem.

            “Żegota is the story of extraordinary heroism amidst unique depravity – compelling in its human as well as historical dimensions. It is a particularly valuable addition to our understanding of the many facets of the Holocaust because Żegota as an organized effort was tantamount to ‘Schindler’s List’ multiplied a hundredfold.”
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    • Author by epkklk851 (November 24, 2009 8:49 am ET)
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      When "Guilty" came out, Anthrax was all over the place shillling for it. She stated that liberals hate families. Well, I am a liberal; I've been married to the same man for 26 years, after a four year college romance. We have two children, who never threatened to run away and actually like to spend time with us-road trips and museums are favorites. I have a family. Anthrax is a year or two younger and has never married or had children, but somehow, I doubt that she is a virgin or celebate. The health care bill will not allow federal funds to be spent on abortions, even without the Stupak amendment. I am part of a Federal employee insurance program and none of the programs available have abortions as covered procedures. The Congressional plans probably have similar constraints. I understand why the different churches would make these declarations, but I wouldn't want to be getting into bed with Fox, O'Reilly, or Coulter. I wonder how many other Catholic Bishops will participate.
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      • Author by Ribelin2000 (November 24, 2009 11:17 am ET)
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        "When 'Guilty' came out, Anthrax was all over the place shilling for it"

        "Anthrax is a year or two younger..."

        Hey, man, leave Anthrax out of this!! "Among the Living" rules!!!
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    • Author by newzhound (November 24, 2009 9:35 am ET)
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      Where is the news value in this "interview?"

      Bull O'Really? sends Ann Falter a copy of the document in the morning, she goes on television in the evening and tells us what it said.

      What is the point? Does having Ms. Falter on give O'Really? a hook to discuss it?
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    • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 9:51 am ET)
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      Okay, Ms. Coulter, just for fun I'll play along. We'll say no sex outside of marriage, no divorce, no abortion, and no homosexuality, along with whatever other stances you'd like to take. Nationwide, and with criminal penalties attached to banned behavior and failure to engage in mandatory behavior, like a morning prayer and pledge of allegiance in schools. Fine.
      Now that all is arranged just as you'd wish, let me ask you a question: In the land of moral certitude you've created, where is the choice? If we cease to have any ability to make a choice between two different courses of action, how are we still a free country? If we all act exactly the same, and speak exactly the same, and are forced to believe exactly the same, isn't this the very definition of fascism? Aren't you arguing in favor of eliminating the very personal liberty and freedom that you accuse the Obama administration of taking away on a daily basis?
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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 24, 2009 10:01 am ET)
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        Good post.

        Methinks the talking-points for people like Coulter go as follows (and by "people like Coulter" i mean over-emotional shrills in general); a bit like ad-libs:

        (noun or active verb)is bad. (noun pertaining to historical badguy) did this. If you do (noun or active verb), you are like (noun pertaining to historical badguy).
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    • Author by Handyman (November 24, 2009 10:19 am ET)
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      Same old Republican Plan starting to unfold.

      Step 1 - First we indoctrinate our citizens with conspiracy theories and claims of loss of individual freedom and rights not based on fact, to mislead our citizens into thinking our government is taking over.

      Step 2 - Appeal to the Moral Majority by feeding more mis-iformation that we are now preventing our citizens from exercising their rights of religious freedom.

      Step 3 - Tell these same people it is time to due whatever is necessary, even if it means breaking the law. As long as you are doing it the name of God it is OK.
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    • Author by phredicles (November 24, 2009 10:27 am ET)
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      It's funny how the right loves invoking slavery and the Holocaust against pretty much everything they disagree with, ever.

      But conservatives in the early 1800s were completely in favor of slavery, and in the 1930s they thought Hitler was cool, especially because he was anti-Semitic. And in the '40s they thought WWII was something we should just stay out of.

      But hey, any thing to make (incredibly cheap) political points, huh?
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 10:31 am ET)
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      Way to re-write history scumbag - The church in general was the antichrist when it came to the Holocaust. They did everything jesus would despise. They ignored the jews plight and many of the leaders of the churches in germany and austria had the gaul to becomes Nazis themselves. Jesus would be sooo proud! The church is scum - We should treat them like the garbage they have grown to be. The leadership is a terror to progress. They openly advocate against gay rights, women's rights and evolution. They disgust me. Christianity is one thing but the real leadership is the equivalent of human refuse. They still want a ban on condoms in Africa. They openly oppose use of condoms to stop the spread of AIDS which has ravaged the entire continent and which condoms remain the number one method of prevention in Africa. They cover up their own statutory rape and other reckless equally horrendous crimes against humanity. They still deny the existence of global warming and I dont see ANYONE in the church trying to combat pollution in any way - yea, Jesus wouldnt want us to preserve God's creation. Definitely not. It took centuries before they spoke out against Africans being used as slaves. They have consistently lagged behind the entire world when it comes to advocating for human rights and equal rights. They should just dissolve the church leadership - what religion has such heirarchy - it makes the church seem like some political organization or government instead of a religion. Its really just strange how the church is set up like some sort of monarchy or something with ranks and levels. And God forbid they speak out against the cruel and harsh words towards the muslim community - i think they actually are slowly starting to push more inflammatory rhetoric against Islam. Is this religious leaders or a right wing political group pushing their agenda at every turn. I have ZERO respect for the pope right now - STOP TELLING AFRICANS TO NOT WEAR CONDOMS YOU IDIOT!
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      • Author by thundavolt (November 24, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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        What really annoys me is how that whole bible book is a pick and choose what to follow. There must be something more to it if the are saying they don't have to adhere to some of the things it says. It simply means there is another motive behind following rules which seem to do more harm than good. Why would you only leave out the ones that would cause bad publicity because they ask you to take direction in causing harm? Have they ever thought about he fact that Some people contract disease by being raped or botched medical procedures? How about all the children who have had it passed on to them by their mothers? I know there is a world wide culture of punishing and persecuting people in this situation and asking them to feel their pain everyday by making them guilty for wanting to be part o society or have a social life but this is sick and twisted because it's causing more harm and using humans as collateral damage in a religious war.

        Religion is at way with people being alive.
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        • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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          The church is warped. The whole structure is distorted. The views are manipulated to fit some archaic political scheme - deny the right to condoms, abortion, gay rights. Refuse to accept scientific breakthroughs like evolution and global warming. Refuse to speak out against abuses of religious groups and minority groups. This is the ideology of the current right wing lunatics that beck caters to. But this is nothing new. Who was determined to derail scientific progress when the sun was found to be the center of the solar system? Who pretends AIDS is still causes by bad deeds instead of a virus passed usually by sexual transmission? Who hesitated to speak out against slavery of the African people? Who advocated for millions of death by waging a holy war? Who planned and ran the spanish inquisition resulting in the torture and death of thousands of innocent people? Who stood by as 6 Million Jews were tortured, starved and slaughtered in gas chambers?? Who conceals their own corruption and rape rather than address the issue? This corrupt, distorted, manipulated view goes far, far beyond our own time. They dont care about people or equal rights or crimes against humanity or ending poverty or combatting corruption - they are on their own little warped political agenda and their reputation is being obliterated in the process. I have no doubt Jesus would be mortified as what the church who represents his religion has become. This church is a mockery, a sham, a representative weak and hollow shell of a morally sound religion. The church hierarchy should be dismantled and thrown in the trash where they belong.
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          • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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            The church itself is a violent assault to the very moral fabric and core of the christian religion.
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    • Author by thundavolt (November 24, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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      I know this offends so many people but, religion is a serious problem in tis world. We already things that we cannot change about ourselves (race, sexuality, ethnicity) that cause so much friction between people. Why would we add another division? It really confuses me to think that humans would use faith based belief as moral guidance. Is it that difficult to realize which actions harm and discriminate others? It is even worse when the one thing these religious folks have to guide them morally is repeatedly used make judgements that lack in common sense and to persecute others. Religion has always been used to persecute those who seem weaker and are asking for something that weakens the power structure. Power that needs such protection is usually immoral and unjust and based on complexes.

      What really ticks me off is when a group that has been persecuted for a very long time by religion uses that same religion to persecute others. Humans are so pathetic when they feel accepted and even though they feel the acceptance it doesn't really exist. It is pacification for lack of a better word. The powers that be just figure out a way to shut people up and get on with their scam. They don't like the bad publicity.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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        Its not religion, its radicalism. Its bigotry his behind a veil of good christian values. Its violent murderous rage shielded by the cloak of Islamic beliefs. It is unchecked and rampant intolerance that is disguised behind some radical distortion of a major religion. Religion at its core preaches moral values, leading a life of tolerance, acceptance and love for one another. All the major religions teach this. But ridiculous manipulations and translations turn into radical ideology that fuels hatred, violence and death. Its sad that people like to hide the bigotry and tendency towards destruction behind a religion. I seriously doubt the 9/11 terrorists became so driven by destruction and hate by excessive study of the Q'uran or that Buchanan became a racist bigot because he was so invested in Christianity it drew him to it. Hitler did not actually despise the Torah so much that he killed 6 million jews - he was mentally insane and hell bent on destroying an entire people to serve as his scapegoat - he probably based this on nothing more than radical distortions about Judaism in a few books. These people are already Violently and criminally satanical and use some radical distortion of the actual truth to support their ultimate insanity. Religion doesnt kill people - horrendous and appalling distortions of religion to support one's own goals kills people.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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        Even look at the church - their ideology is not christianity by any means. It is some vague resemblance of christian ideals combined with massive distortions of it to promote political ends. They are destructive because they aren't really a christian body at all. They are some corrupt political force trying to dictate their will on the people of the world.
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        • Author by thundavolt (November 24, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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          Everyone seems to forget that most religions only become prominent when they are used for their political gains. Did this not happen with Christianity? I agree with most of what you are saying but the morals the bible book stands for are in no way exclusive to Christianity. Everything becomes a mess when religious people either follow the bible down to the T or have to pick what they follow. I am not trying to single out Christianity in any way. I just think it would be unfair to comment on religions I don't know about but, it is evident that Islam has been and is perverted for sinister causes. It must be very difficult for Christian to have to question the very first page of their book. Usually people who believe the first 12 chapters fall into one of the many categories of radicalism. They tend to end up believing in some of the more intolerant and harsh sections with a varying degree or stand up for parts that make no sense to modern life.

          From personal experience I just ended up seeing absolutely no value in the label and selected the positive teachings. I know there is no way I could ever really be accepted as a true Christian not because of anything I do but just based on what I believe. I could be a member of any religion because of the way I try to live my life if they accepted what I eat and what I drink. But just because of how I feel about some of the beliefs will make me an outcast regardless of how accepting Christians try to make themselves out to be. An example is the fact that I am not gay but I completely disagree the attitude towards gays regardless of how accepting some denominations of Christianity are. At some level they are not entirely fair to homosexuals.

          No religion is different from another except in how badly they deal with various social issues like gender equality. I'm sure Sarah Palin with all her strong woman attitude assumes a submissive role in her marriage. There's also the fact that they would take the opportunity to wipe each other off the face of the earth given half the chance. Even when they try to reach out to each other it seems condescending or has an alterior motive.
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    • Author by Oklad (November 24, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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      When Bill'O refers to the rest of the media as left and secular is he implying that Fox is non-secular?

      More to the point, considering the number of Irish and other Catholics employed at Fox, is Fox not only an arm of the Republican party but a mouthpiece for the Vatican?

      I find it interesting that when JFK was running for president the cry from the Repugs was "Will the Vatican be setting U.S.policy?"

      How things have changed in a few short years..
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      • Author by christopher howard (November 24, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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        "When Bill'O refers to the rest of the media as left and secular is he implying that Fox is non-secular?"

        Good question.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 24, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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      Endorsing the Manhattan Declaration, Coulter compares "cultural crisis" to Holocaust, slavery

      Seeing Coutergiest all the time is like slavery! Anyway religion needs to stay out of politics period! If religion had a right in politics the founding fathers would have made room for it.

      The infux of religious kooks, their beliefs, and the damage they will do to this country's politics will send the U.S. into a culture war!

      They talk about the NWO, but from my observation and opinion the NWO is the religious kook influience along with the corporations.
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    • Author by aintlifestrange (November 24, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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      What ever happened to seperation of Church and State? The Church isn't supposed to make national policy, and the state isn't supposed to tell the church how to worship. If abortion is available in health care reform, christians have the right not to take advantage of it. But, to deny those are are pro-choice access to abortion is to deny freedom. To deny any freedom is to deny all freedom... it's all at risk of being lost. Worried about YOUR tax dollars going to fund abortions? No problem... we'll use someone elses tax dollars for that. You can't have it both ways. Perhaps the church would like to start paying their fair share of taxes. Those Sunday collections get pretty big!
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    • Author by shaggles (November 24, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      What cultural crisis?
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