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Schultz calls Beck's "100-year plan" "psycho talk"

November 24, 2009 11:53 am ET

From the November 23 edition of MSNBC's The Ed Show:

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    • Author by Max Credits (November 24, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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      Beck's "plan" will likely include further praise of constitutional provision protecting slave trade. Because he's an idiot.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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        He went from distortions to lies to blatant falsehoods to devoid of most aspects of reality to alternate universe to almost completely and utterly incomprehensible mixed with some absolutely insane.

        Beck THEIR SAVIOR?!!! And someone on youtube just told me that no one really takes him that seriously. Apparently, savior is not that serious? Geez, i DONT think anyone I have ever met could accurately be described as my savior never mind some psycho I watch on tv. This country really is heading for disaster arent we?
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      • Author by rugger69 (November 24, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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        It is amazing how someone who has no creditability, education or formal knowledge of how all this works really irritates the people on this site. If he is a nobody and speaks nothing but lies why do you spend so much time calling him names and vilifying him?

        I really don't see any hard and fast evidence that everything he speaks of is a out right lie as you say.
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        • Author by DellDolly (November 25, 2009 2:09 am ET)
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          If you don't understand why this site exists and why they cover what they cover, that's evidence of your shortcoming, not ours.

          Figure it out on your own, dum-dum.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 24, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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      They are hellbent in dismantling the Constitution. My father (RIP )told me if I want to change something I shoul not only run for office but also get elected. Unless I want to be a ictator. Beck's influence is shared with Hannity, O'Reilly Limbaugh and others, who after some scrutiny favor anarchy.
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      • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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        I think Beck just favors smaller government, as the Constitution intended.
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        • Author by Max Credits (November 24, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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          So WHY then did he support the bank bailout last fall???
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          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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            I didn't hear that he did. I always hear him ripping the Bush administration for beggining what the Obama administration is continuing.
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            • Author by Max Credits (November 24, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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              And we now know with much greater certainty how stupid and uninformed you are.
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              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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                Really, bro. Can we just discuss the topic? I haven't insulted you.

                So when did Beck endorse the bank bailouts? I'd like to see some evidence of that.
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                • Author by Max Credits (November 24, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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                  why do you need my help with this???
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                  • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 24, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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                    OMG, VC, that was a smackdown of epic proportions.

                    Of course, dork still won't get it. But good try anyway.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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                    Thanks, man. I checked it out. I'd like to know more of his reasoning for supporting it at the time, so I'll look into it.

                    Again, I'm an independent, and I try to be objective. I tend to lean conservative, but I'm no partisan hack.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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                      yea in other words k1 will find some other way to justify Beck. K1 I suggest you also check out Glenn Becks support for healthcare reform before he was against it, this guy is playing you.
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                    • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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                      Because he's an uneducated, uninformed zoo-radio DJ who got a gig where he can lie all he wants and people like you BELIEVE him and he's raking in the dough? That's what his reasoning is, dork.
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                  • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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                    Kudos!!!
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                  • Author by Don Quixote (November 24, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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                    You win the coveted "Coolest thing I've seen all day" award. Bouncy check and plastic statue are in the mail.
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                • Author by Bulldogs (November 24, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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                  Here you go Dork:

                  http://vodpod.com/watch/2221811-lie-beck-claims-he-hated-bush-for-starting-the-700-billion-bailouts-


                  http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911240014
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          • Author by rugger69 (November 24, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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            Remember Obama was for it also
            I think like everyone else who had little or no information at the time on the bailout, all the financial elites in government were screaming pass it, pass it.

            That was the thought at the time but as time has passed and the bailout did nothing per say everyone has realized that was not the thing to do because the money never got to where it was supposed to.
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            • Author by Brabantio (November 24, 2009 10:45 pm ET)
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              I don't think the point is that the bailout was a mistake. The point is that it's inconsistent for Beck to be "small-government" when he supported the bailout. It would indicate that his stands are more partisan than principled.
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        • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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          Beck has no clue what the Constitution says. Some of the folks he invokes constantly would be HORRIFIED at the idiocy he spews . . . Thomas Paine, for one.

          I'd find a more informed, more intelligent hero.
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          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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            I'm still trying to figure out the mentallity of those who give themselves thumbs up.

            Anyway...Beck seems well informed on the Constitution. I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points.

            I even think that the Constitution makes room for a public option, IF we could afford it. WE CAN'T, right now.
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            • Author by Max Credits (November 24, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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              I gave bintx a thumbs up.
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            • Author by MidnightWriter (November 24, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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              Well informed on the Constitution? A few days ago he was pretty much clueless on what powers Congress has.
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            • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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              I have never given myself a thumbs up . . . is that where those that you get come from? WOW!

              Beck is not "well-informed" on the Constitution and makes NO good points on anything. If you believe that, then you are not well-informed on it, either.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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              We can afford healthcare reform and the proposals for reform actually decrease the deficit, but the truth of the matter is that with 45,000 Americans dying each year due to lack of health insurance we can't afford not to have health insurance reform.
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              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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                I agree that we need reform. I'm just don't see how it will not add to the deficit.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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                  45,000 people die each year and you talk about the deficit? Can you tell me a real stroy of how the deficit is affecting you today?
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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                    Story.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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                    I know what you meant. I'm not a grammar Nazi.

                    Are you saying the debt is meaningless and doesn't and can not affect average citizens?

                    I with you that there needas to be reform, don't get me wrong.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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                      No I'am not saying it's not important but maybe other things are more important at the moment and maybe just maybe it's an excuse given by those on the right to keep us from fixing real problems. You find it so important yet you haven't related a real story about how this deficit has affected you yet we have 45,000 die each year(more than we've lost in the last 4 wars we've fought) today, because they lack health insurance. Those that oppose reform will throw out any reason to defeat the bills, the deficit is another example, but the Senate and House reform measures will actually decrease the deficit according to the CBO.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (November 24, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
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                        I've argued that the health reform deniers don't have the ability to quantify the savings by avoiding thousands of deaths and bankruptcies, as well as the value of having a healthier populace.

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            • Author by New Frontier (November 24, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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              I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes some good points.

              Like "Obama is a white-hating racist"?
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              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
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                Obama only thinks that "typical" white people fear blacks whenever they see them on the streets. Nothing divisive or racist about that.
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                • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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                  No, he stated that his elderly grandmother continued to harbor some of the beliefs which were TYPICAL for her generation. My 97 year old grandmother is far from racist, but she continues to hold some of the beliefs which were prevalent during the time in which she was raised. It's called HUMAN NATURE.

                  Do you EVER look anything up? I mean SERIOUSLY or do you just post whatever you've heard one of your heroes spew?
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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                    He said typical white behavior. Not tyipical of his grandmothers genereation, but typical period.

                    Whatever. How about the rhetoric out of his church and from his "SPIRITUAL ADVISOR?"

                    Would you have a sprititual advisor who thinks the government created AIDS to kill black people?
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                    • Author by dirtylittlereligion (November 24, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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                      REVEREND WRIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!!!!!

                      It was only a matter of time right?
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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                      "...He said typical white behavior. Not tyipical of his grandmothers genereation, but typical period..."

                      How you cons hold conflicting thoughts in your head and reconcile them really tickles me. President Obama hates white people but white people overwhelmingly supported and voted for him as their president. More people in the history of US elections voted and he received more votes than any other oother canidate in the history of US elections but he hates white people? How silly can you be. Can you tell me why Glenn Beck frequently host white supremacist on show, and can you explain what Glenn Beck meant by white culture?
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            • Author by thundavolt (November 24, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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              I'm sure everyone on this board has memorized a fews points about a topic in order to sell themselves as knowledgeable. I know several of m friends constantly talk about how they don't really know what they are doing at work and are glad they don't have to do some of the things they claimed to be capable of. beck is just like any other low life that gets attention and runs with it. A good example is the "Balloon Boy" story. Beck crying and acting nuts was the shiny balloon. He knows his America will just be stuck looking up at the sky for hours once he had them he isolated himself enough to limit the damage of any slip up and he got cocky and called the President racist which is more of how he feels. He's cashing like "Balloon Boy's" father had planned. He was probably having a little fun at the expense of his followers by proving to himself that they will follow him even if he contradicts himself.

              The trick is to let him get comfortable and make him feel unchallenged in his future actions while holding him accountable for at least calling the President a racist. He will dig his own shallow grave.
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            • Author by hiccup (November 24, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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              I would very much like to know why you think Beck is well informed on the constitution. Also, what are his 'good points' he brings up?
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 24, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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              I would love to hear what it is about Beck that leads you to believe that he is well informed of the Constitution.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 24, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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          BECK is a complete idiot with a tv show.
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    • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
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      I could care less about Beck's 100 year plan. He couldn't complete a four year degree, so how likely is he to come up with a viable 100 year plan? Just to give you an idea, the model T was one year old a hundred years ago. It had only been six years since the first human had taken to the air in powered flight. It had only been three years since the first radio broadcast here in the U.S. The idea of flying across the ocean was still a dream. Of flying to the moon? Science fiction. The Hindenburg crash is still 28 years in the future. Trains are still powered by steam. World War I still hasn't happened. The tallest building in the world stands 50 stories high, the Met Life Tower. That's 1909 for you.

      What does interest me is the man in the crowd alluding to Glenn Beck as a savior. The conservatives, especially the media, often claim that the left almost worships President Obama as though he were Jesus returned. I've personally never seen or heard anyone call Obama a savior, or messiah, but here is a Beck follower, using just that word about what is admittedly a much less worthy man. Jesus can be found in the Bible, folks. If He came back today, Beck would be on the front lines of those who deny and castigate Him, because the truth does not abide in Glenn Beck.
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      • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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        Sure, and the atheist left and the "progressives" who try to remove things like the Ten Commandments from court houses at every turn would welcome Jesus with open arms.
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        • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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          I'm a Christian conservative and I don't want the Ten Commandments in every courthouse. Religion and government have no business being combined. When church and state are intertwined both suffer. I am a Christian, but I neither share nor appreciate the beliefs of say, Sarah Palin. I don't want HER beliefs to outweigh mine.

          Jesus Christ would be completely horrified at the push by some folks to have a "Christian" government. He understood the need to keep religion and government separate. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and until God that which is His." Matthew 22:21.

          Even the Southern Baptist Faith and Message states:

          XVIII. Religious Liberty

          God alone is Lord of the conscience, and he has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are contrary to his Word or not contained in it. Church and state should be separate. The state owes to the church protection and full freedom in the pursuit of its spiritual ends. In providing for such freedom no ecclesiastical group or denomination should be favored by the state more than others. Civil government being ordained of God, it is the duty of Christians to render loyal obedience thereto in all things not contrary to the revealed will of God. The church should not resort to the civil power to carry on its work.

          Your assumption that it is the "atheist left and the 'progressives'" who want separation of church and state is patently false. Any Christian American who wishes to keep the freedom to worship in whatever manner they deem correct wants separation of church and state.
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          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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            I understand why Christians would want separation of church and state, so as not to have ONE denomination promoted as superior. That was the intention of "separation of church and state."

            George Washington himself said that Aerican freedom was intended for, and can only be maintained by a religious people.

            So, what is NOT good for society is separation of morality and state, which is what it seems to ME that the atheist left and SOME progressives are after.
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            • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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              Morality must be left up to individuals, k1dork, unless you would have government decide all moral issues and simply issue edicts on how to behave in any given situation.

              It is not separation of church and state that I want. Rather, my aim is to keep the state from advancing or promoting any particular religion over the others. The FauxCons seem to think this country should be run on what they believe are Christian principles. This is against the teachings of Christ, and against the wisdom of history, which shows theocracies as being quite bad in practice.
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              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:35 pm ET)
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                Yeah, and individuals haven't been doing a very good job at it.

                I don't think believeing that abortion is murder and marriage should remain between a man and a woman are calls for theocratic rule.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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                  So now you are ready to place women in jail for having abortions?
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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                    There needs to be change and debate. I think there are better options than DISMEMBERING LIVING FETUSES.

                    There are plenty of families that can't have children that would love to. Adoption is a much better option, in my view.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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                      You called it murder so what is the penalty for murder that you would sentence these women to? The option of adoption is already available. What if you outlaw abortion here and a women goes overseas or to a back alley to have one and is found out what is her penalty?
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                      • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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                        Try to hear me. It's not a black and white issue for me. Yes, I think it's wrong and I think it is murder. But, I understand that there are circumstances in which it is more justifiable, such as rape or incest. That's why there needs to be a debate and reform, in my opinion.

                        But YES, I think there should be some sort of penalty for the wanton termination of a fetus's life.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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                          What penalty? Should the male be responsible also? How bout the doctor? What makes you think a decision to abort is wanton? I'd seriously like to hear your views on this,because it seems that those who argue for smaller government have no problem with puting the government in people's private lives and their bedrooms, and like to impose their morality on others. A morality that they themselves don't live up to.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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                            I don't think the male should be resposible unless they raped the women. Other than that, it was the woman's choice to have sex and get pregneant, so it is her responsibility to deal with the consequences.

                            I think it's murder, OK. It isn't a fundamental right. Sure, I'm for small government, but that doesn't mean that their shouldn't be regulation where needed, and I think if people WANT to DISMEMBER FETUSES, then there needs to be regulation.
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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                              Ok end of conversation!
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                              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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                                Alright!
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                                • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 24, 2009 5:14 pm ET)
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                                  Oh, we get it. You are for small government until there is something you want stopped. Then you want the government involved to stop it. You are just like your hero Beck. A phony.
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                            • Author by Bulldogs (November 24, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
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                              Why is it that it is mostly men who are Anti-abortion?
                              There always seem to be more men than women at all the Anti-abortion protests.

                              Just asking, you seem to be knowledgeable.
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                            • Author by epkklk851 (November 24, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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                              "I don't think the male should be resposible unless they raped the women. Other than that, it was the woman's choice to have sex and get pregneant, so it is her responsibility to deal with the consequences."

                              What a Dick! What a Dorky thing to say! Dork!
                              Pregnancy occurs when a sperm meets at egg. The woman didn't put the two together unless she's a lab tech. It was the father's choice to have unprotected sex! There for he is just as responsible for the woman! If a woman is punished for having an abortion, the father should be, too! And he should definately pay for the abortion, if that is what they decide! I am opposed to abortion, but there are lots of reasons besides rape and incest that would make a woman choose abortion. For instance, she might not want to have a child by someone so disgustingly sexist and irresponsible as to make the above statement!
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (November 24, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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                          wanton termination of a fetus's life.

                          You make it sound like women order abortions like drive thru fast food. Fail.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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                            I think abortion for any reason besides rape, incest, or some medical condition is wanton. Sorry.
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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                              Yes you are sorry!
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                              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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                                And you're a great person for thinking there is absolutely nothing wrong with DISMEMBERING FETUSES.
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                                • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 24, 2009 5:27 pm ET)
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                                  "And you're a great person for thinking there is absolutely nothing wrong with DISMEMBERING FETUSES." - dork

                                  Of course. Because those are the two choices. Either you believe those who have abortions are murderers or you believe it dismembering fetuses are a good thing. Please. Grow up. You come here and pretend to be a reasonable independent when you are nothing of the sort. It is no wonder that Glenn Beck is your hero.

                                  Tell us some more how Beck is not a race-baiter for claiming Obama has a deep-seated hatred for white people and white culture but that Obama is a divisive racist for calling his grandmother a typical white person. You are such a reasonable independent.
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                            • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 24, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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                              "I think abortion for any reason besides rape, incest, or some medical condition is wanton. Sorry." - dork

                              If abortion is actually murder why would it be OK in these instances. Suddenly murder becomes OK to you? Truly bizarre. You may want to turn off Glenn Beck and think through some of your core beliefs.
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                            • Author by Brabantio (November 24, 2009 5:25 pm ET)
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                              I think abortion for any reason besides rape, incest, or some medical condition is wanton. Sorry.
                              And how would you verify the rape or incest to a satisfactory degree, exactly?
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                              • Author by mikehuck1976 (November 24, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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                                I think Glenn Beck gets to make these decisions in dork's world. Because, you know, Beck is so well informed of the Constitution.
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                        • Author by tbone (November 24, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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                          You would subrogate the right's of a living person to a potential person based on your authority. Classic definition of slavery

                          Women in Brother Dork's world - breeding stock.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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                            And fetuses in your world are trash.
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                            • Author by tbone (November 24, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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                              Fetuses in my world (aka the REAL world) are not persons. They cannot be ascribed rights. If you want to make a case for some legal status after viability, I am willing to listen.
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                • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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                  'Yeah, and individuals haven't been doing a very good job at it.'

                  At what? Making their own choices? Or, are they making choices you disagree with? If you believe abortion is wrong, you are free to refrain from having one. If you think marriage is between a man and a woman only, then date the opposite sex. As for the definition of marriage, hey, I even agree with you. That being said, I do favor a civil union that allows same sex couples to make the same commitment in the eyes of the state, because they deserve the same rights that male-female couples share. See? More rights for citizens is a good thing. So is more choice.

                  Believing that abortion is murder and believing that marriage should remain between a man and a woman are religious points of view. Calling for your religious point of view to be the law of the land is indeed a call for theocratic rule, k1dork.
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            • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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              Actually, that's not exactly what Washington said. You might want to read up on that a bit and it still had nothing whatsoever to do with putting the Ten Commandments in courthouses.

              Oh, and some of the most moral and caring people I've encountered in recent years are atheists and agnostics and some of the most immoral and uncaring have been church-going "Christians," so your posit is faulty. Generalizations are rarely true.
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              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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                "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness - these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. " Washington
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                • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:40 pm ET)
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                  Exactly. What HE said was not what YOU said.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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                    No duh. I gave the basic gist. Sorry for not being able to spout ancient quotes off the top of my head. Remember, I'm trying to overcome that acheivement gap.
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                    • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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                      yet he owned slaves as did many of the founding fathers.
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                      • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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                        Point? It was a common practice back then. Every society had slavery. AT LEASST they set the foundations to abolish it.
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                        • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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                          hahaha,some solace to the slaves I'am sure.
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                          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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                            I'm sure it wouldn't have been, but it is what it is.
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                            • Author by congero6189599 (November 24, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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                              Right, so don't come here talking about the Founders religion and how we need to have the ten commandments in our courtrooms,it dang sure didn't help the slaves and many of our founders didn't beleive a slave could ever be the equal of a white man. Your hyprocrisy stinks.
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                        • Author by Brabantio (November 24, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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                          It was a common practice back then.
                          In other words, he was a typical white person.
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                        • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
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                          So, if I understand what you've said here, k1dork, something that would otherwise be considered immoral is okay so long as it is 'common practice'? That's all it takes to excuse it?
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                    • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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                      No, you didn't give the "basic gist." You used a paraphrase you heard someone else use which missed the point of the speech.

                      This country was NOT built on Christian principles.

                      Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.-----Thomas Jefferson, in his Autobiography in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

                      It was the intent of our founders that ALL religious and/or non-religious beliefs would be honored in this country.

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                • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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                  Glad you looked up the Farewell Speech instead of just using someone else's paraphrase. You ought to try it more often.
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            • Author by worrierking (November 24, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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              What George Washington thought is not pertinent to the discussion. Although he was our first president, he was not a signatory to the Declaration of Independence and was not one of the authors of the Constitution.

              He may have had some input, but I'm not sure.

              I do know that our constitution was mainly the work of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and James Madison. None agreed with Washington's sentiment about "a religious people".

              And your statement implies that only believers can be moral and that Atheists are not moral.

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          • Author by bintx (November 24, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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            oops, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and UNTO God that which is His." Typo!
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            • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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              It's all good, bro. I'm not one of these IDIOTS who would ignore everything you said and call you an idiot just because of a typo.
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        • Author by Boxer1979 (November 24, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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          Seperartion of church and state. The founding fathers wanted no part of religion in politics. You must realize if you cater to one religion or religous beliefs then you must cater to all.
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        • Author by historygeek001 (November 24, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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          Dork, I don't know what country you think this is, but perhaps you should pay attention to the First Amendement: Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Get your version of religion out of my government, it has no place there. This is NOT a Christian nation; most of the Founding Fathers were DEISTS. They did NOT believe in organized religion. Figure it out.
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    • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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      Shultz is obviously a bitter and hatefilled man. It seems that he has a deep hatred of Mormons.
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    • Author by manofmystique (November 24, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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      Almost everthing Beck says is "psycho talk" because Beck speaks out of hatred, stupidity and igorance.
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      • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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        As opposed to yourself, who calls people hatefilled, stupid, and ignorant out of "love, wisdom, and intelligence."
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        • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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          Actually, k1dork, it was you that used the word 'hatefilled', not manofmystique.
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          • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 24, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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            I think k1dork is aptly named.
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          • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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            Way to go, snarf snarf. I guess you win the semantics game because you said hatred insted of hatefilled.
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            • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 24, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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              Shorter k1dork: Hatred is an extremely offensive word. That's why I call people hatefilled instead. And people who point this out are hatefilled jerks.
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              • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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                LOL at you psuedo-intellectualism.
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                • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 24, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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                  Thank you, lady, for being the gift that keeps on giving.
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                  • Author by k1dork (November 24, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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                    Please don't impose your oppressive white western gender roles on me.
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                    • Author by dirtylittlereligion (November 24, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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                      Says he who was calling women "dudes" and "bros".

                      I'm also taking this with a grain of salt but, if true...really? You choose this to play the race card on? Grow up.
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                    • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 24, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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                      Who cares? I don't care what you are, lady.
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            • Author by The_Cat (November 24, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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              Actually, k1dork, you used both 'hatefilled' and 'hatred'. I used neither. Try and keep up?
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            • Author by manofmystique (November 24, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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              to K1 dork:

              Media Matters provides us plenty videos of people talking stupid, in their own words, unfiltered.
              I just call it as I see it. Why in the hell are you on this site? Do you not know what this site is about?
              You want to defend stupidity?
              Wouldn't you feel more at home talking with people you have something in common with? May I suggest "dummiesrus.com"?
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        • Author by manofmystique (November 24, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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          Media Matters provides us plenty videos of people talking stupid, in their own words, unfiltered.
          I just call it as I see it. Why in the hell are you on this site? Do you not know what this site is about?
          You want to defend stupidity?
          Wouldn't you feel more at home talking with people you have something in common with? May I suggest "dummiesrus.com"?
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 24, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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      Shorter k1dork: We should have separation of church and state for Christians only. The other people who want it are just too icky for my closed mind to even fathom.
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    • Author by Don Quixote (November 24, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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      An America our founding fathers would understand would be a set of slave colonies where only white male landowners have voting rights and hold all positions of power. Who wants that today? I mean, besides of course the cartel of rich white males like Beck and his co-journatainers on cable news, his clones on AM hate radio and good old southern Joe Wilsons in Congress who parrot Beck,et.al. rhetoric during floor debates.

      If any of the founding fathers were suddenly to come to life today, he would literally be completely overwhelmed to the point of madness by the modern world. He would be entirely ill-equipped to process the complexity.
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      • Author by dirtylittlereligion (November 24, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
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        This is something I constantly try to explain to these nuts who WORSHIP the founding fathers. They were not the demigods that these people make them out to be. They were just men. PROGRESSIVE men, but only progressive for their own time. They we're not some kind of seers that could see into the future, so had no idea of the magnitude of technological and social advancement we would have in such a short amount of time. The created a sound document that was meant to advance along with the advances in our culture. It was one of the first of it's kind, but that doesn't mean it's the BEST today. I've heard it mentioned here and also wonder why we can not learn from countries who have expounded on the ideas of freedom. France seems to have little trouble balancing the liberties and general welfare of it's citizens, nor do our brothers and sisters to the north. I'm still angry that the single-payer wasn't even considered.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 24, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      Schultz calls Beck's "100-year plan" "psycho talk"

      Becky's fans and followers are scary for this country, because of the fact of being un-informed and also the fact that Becky does not tell the whole story of any of his topics. All he does is cherry-pick stories or comments.

      His fans comments also reminded me of the line outside a book store where fans of Sarah Palin were really talking Psycho Talk!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk

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    • Author by Tank (November 24, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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      I am not a Beck fan, but I am worried about him because I feel he is having or has already had a nervous breakdown. Mr. Beck in my opinion is a right wing extremist whose intentions are to turn our beloved America into a one party system controlled and operated by the right wing of the Republican party!
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      • Author by manofmystique (November 24, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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        Yeah and he decided doing this ONLY after a black man was elected to the oval office.
        This idiot gets no sympathey from me. Far as I'm concern Beck is a lynch mob leader.
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