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Beck's plan to eliminate the debt: Cut unspecified "spending," cut taxes on "entrepreneurs," institute regressive VAT

November 24, 2009 5:34 pm ET

From the November 24 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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    • Author by soze169880 (November 24, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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      "Beck's plan to eliminate the debt:
      Steal a bunch of underwear.
      ????
      PROFIT!"
      Fixed.
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    • Author by Major Tom (November 24, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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      Cut my Taxes! Beck is basically saying... I mean, he is a small business owner... As he always mentions...

      I just caught a couple minutes of his show... He was saying how newscorp hasn't had a christmas party in two years to curb spending... How much does Beck make a year again? $20 million? more? It reminds me of how O'Reilly always says that Beck has 'the every-man image.' When his behavior, and salary blatantly challenge that assessment...

      HOW IS HE NOT UNIVERSALLY PERCIEVED AS A JOKE? I weep for the country.
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      • Author by WoodstockNationAwake (November 24, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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        Did I hear Mr. Beck correctly tonight ?? That HE is in favor/behind a VAT tax to help save the America HE beleives in. Odd, Very Odd, on October 8th 09 Mr. Beck ATTACKED (slapping her image on the monitor)Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi for thinking a VAT tax would help pay down our debt. Is this what could be called a Flip-Flop. Mr. Beck Shame on you... watch out.. you may turn into one of those Liberal, Socialist , Commie Tree Huggers... GOD SAVE US ALL.. that would ruin the Left.
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    • Author by caels (November 24, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
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      Niall Ferguson has become an embarrassment, somewhere along studying economic history he forgot about modern economics and he now regularly resurrects basic fallacies that were debunked in the early 1900s. Kind of sad.

      Anyway, cutting taxes for entrepreneurs doesn't really help the debt at all. The Laffer Curve doesn't apply almost ever and cutting taxes on entrepreneurs would just create more debt. We can argue if the policy is good or bad but it doesn't decrease debt since it's not going to spur enough growth to make the loss in revenue worth it (I can guarantee this based on history). Now, a regressive VAT tax (despite the fact those European Socialists have it, Beck supports it?); but that too isn't going to bring down the deficit. Wealth is so concentrated among the top 10% (or 1% now heh) and because that bracket puts a large sum of their money into investment (i.e. not taxed via VAT) that the tax base would decrease dramatically. Additionally, this would largely be shifted to the poor and middle class who spend a large amount of their income on consumption, unlike the hyper-wealthy, and they would all see an indirect tax increase. I'm assuming Beck wants a regressive VAT in place of income taxes since I can't imagine Mr. "taxes are evil" would want both.

      His plan sounds great. Less revenue and the people who drive consumption (the middle class / poor) will be taxed more. That sounds like a great economic plan.
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    • Author by vipervisor766 (November 24, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
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      Michael Bay thinks that is too far-fetched for a movie.
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    • Author by shaggles (November 24, 2009 6:10 pm ET)
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      Why would Beck favor a VAT? How is that any better than any other tax?
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      • Author by caels (November 24, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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        Because a VAT tax (more or less) is a tax on consumption. Since investment is excluded the argument goes that a consumption tax promotes greater investment and savings, which in turn would drive economic growth in the long run by increasing capital stock. There is also a more complicated argument that makes the case income taxes distorts the allocation of resources whereas a consumption tax does not.

        My primary argument against this is because we do not have a strong welfare state like many European countries the tax will be a huge burden on the poor and middle class since it is largely regressive to the lower-income because they use nearly all of their income on consumption rather than savings and investment. Yes, it would grow the economy; but the middles class and the poor would struggle even more. Furthermore, based on international experience, the VAT tax growth argument doesn't work and always takes in less revenue than an income tax which is why it won't solve the budget concerns - at least when a VAT is not coupled with some type of income tax on the wealthy.

        If we had a stronger welfare system to aid the poor and middle class (like Europe), coupled with a tax on the top earners a VAT would work fine for growing the economy and solving the deficit problem. However, I know Glenn Beck isn't suggesting a tax on the rich plus a consumption tax along with a stronger welfare state; which is why his won't work.
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        • Author by christopher howard (November 24, 2009 7:57 pm ET)
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          Good explanation, Caels. Thank you.
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          • Author by shaggles (November 25, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
               
            Yes. Good explanation. You also have problems when people save too much and don't spend though and a VAT would discourage spending. But that's beside the point. People on the right tend to think any tax is bad so why would someone like Beck advocate a VAT?
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    • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (November 24, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
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      How about we put the top bracket for the income tax back to where it was before Ronnie Raygun started exploding the national debt? (A job which shrub and Cheney doubled to its current amount of 12 trillion.)

      K.I.S.S. principle, people. It works for the Army, which these clowns claim to love.
      ~
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    • Author by WoodstockNationAwake (November 24, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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      Now, did I hear Mr. Beck correctly tonight?? That He/Mr.Beck is in favor of a VAT Tax to help save the America HE loves.... Odd, Very Odd, on October 8, 2009 Mr. Bikini brain slammed Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi for wanting a VAT TAX...that it would DESTORY America.... ODD, VERY, ODD.
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (November 24, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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      The debt is already a fact, Glenda.

      The best way (the proven way) to reduce the debt is to invest in the leading edge of industry. We need to give our children the mechanism to pay back the debt we have, as we did when we built the railroads, the interstate highway system, the space program, etc.

      And, if you could get an honest answer out of Donald Trump, he would tell you that there are two times when it is a good idea to spend money: when you are very rich, and when you are broke. By spending money when you are broke, you do two things: you give your creditors a vested interest in your success and you give yourself the future engine for your own economic success.

      Lowering taxes does not produce jobs, it merely increases profit.
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      • Author by NateKerra (November 25, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
           
        And to reduce your personal debt you can use http://www.debtreliefusa.org . I've use them, maybe the government should find a company to help the debt we have. Probably won't happen.
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (November 24, 2009 7:53 pm ET)
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      Every bit as enlightening and substantial as the GOP plan to cut health care costs: "Create Competition," "Get government off the insurance companies' backs," and (everyone's favorite,) "Tort Reform."

      Like the "cut the fat" promise made by every GOP politician for the past fifty years- total, unadulterated BS.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 24, 2009 8:03 pm ET)
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      Beck's plan to eliminate the debt: Cut unspecified "spending," cut taxes on "entrepreneurs," institute regressive VAT

      Another right-wing corporate puppet Becky is.
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    • Author by snewkirk (November 24, 2009 8:27 pm ET)
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      Sounds like Becks is all for the Oscar Rodgers economic method.
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:00 pm ET)
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      Beck does realize that cutting taxes, cuts the money going back to the government and actually drastically increases the debt.

      I love these 3 things - cut spending to make sure obama doesnt have any money to actually do anything to help the country in any way. Cut taxes because Beck wants a tax cut himself or Murdoch does or both which actually adds to the debt but continues to subtract from the money obama would have to implement anything. And a fund just to pay off the debt which would even further reduce any money the government could have to I dont know... try to improve the economy maybe.

      Cutting taxes alone will NOT reduce unemployment by any significant degree. I agree taxes shouldnt be raised but they shouldnt be lowered esp on the rich. And frankly, real economists would not even think about reducing the deficit in a depression or recession in which unemployment is over 10 percent. Such mundane things should be addressed by curbing the recession itself, improving unemployment, improving economy and stregnthening the dollar. I am not saying let the deficit spiral out of control but this is the last thing we should be worrying about in a crisis. Bush never gave a crap about the deficit during rapid growth. He actually vastly increased it to current levels. Again, this is a scare tactic to turn focus away from the pressing matters at hand.
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