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O'Reilly spins "Manhattan Declaration" as a "Religious Awakening"

November 24, 2009 8:11 pm ET

From the November 24 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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    • Author by snoopy (November 24, 2009 8:24 pm ET)
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      The declaration has received national attention because, in addition to many American evangelical leaders, its signatories include nine Catholic archbishops, the president of the Catholic League, the primate of the Anglican Church of Nigeria, and the primate of the Orthodox Church in America.

      However, notably absent are leaders from political groups seen by many as the "Christian Right," including the American Family Association, American Center for Law and Justice, Concerned Women for America, and Traditional Values Coalition. The John Hancocks of Christian Broadcasting Network founder Pat Robertson and Sojourners founder Jim Wallis are also missing.


      Now that speaks volumes about this "declaration".
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
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        Everything said in this declaration is exactly whats thwarting progression and undermining reform in this country. I hate this religious trash. This isnt even christianity in the slightest.
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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      rampant secularism? Does that make any sense to anybody? I dont think its possible for secularism to be rampant. Is secularism trampling on our right to mix religion and government? Rampant sounds like secularism is running free and why shouldn't it? We do have separation between church and state in the united states. I dont get it
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:32 pm ET)
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        Frankly, I hope secularism would always be rampant in the US. Thus, the establishment clause in the first amendment of the bill of rights. Government should not advocate for one religion over others and should not promote religion over agnosticism. Further, no government official should be making laws or any decisions regarding their job based on religious principals. Moral - fine, logic - fine reason - fine empirical evidence - fine observation - fine will of your voters - one would hope but scripture - DEFINITELY NOT!

        Finally, I think religion impedes moral, social and scientific progress in this nation and throughout the globe. There is a time and place for religion - in church, temple, mosque or in one's own home. Please refrain from bringing your warped religious ideology into the public domain as often as possible. RAMPANT SECULARISM ALL THE WAY!
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    • Author by DAWUSS (November 24, 2009 8:27 pm ET)
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      O'Reilly spins things? I thought his shows were the "No Spin Zone..."

      Who knew?
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (November 24, 2009 8:32 pm ET)
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      O'Reilly spins "Manhattan Declaration" as a "Religious Awakening"

      After Coultergiest's smear the night before. Bill'O is running to the finish line with this one.

      Also why does FOX Snooze always get advice from Karl Rove all the time. Rove should be like G. Gordon Liddy. A FELON!
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
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        FOX does get advice from felons... Maybe thats why Rove was hired.

        To me, its not that rove shouldnt be working at FOX or even if they did hire him, i dont care about blasting stephanopolus for taking an anchor role while rove currently works for fox and then, failing to mention Rove when discussing people closely connected with the white house working for news media. That is all irrelevant. Fact is, Rove should be in jail - he was embroiled in about 10 different controversies and scams. There is no doubt in my mind he committed multiple felonies in his time in the white house and I dont even think it would be hard to prove. Obama is totally failing at this whole progressive change thing - the first thing any liberal would do is hold the bush administration accountability for any crimes committed against the country or humanity.
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:38 pm ET)
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      Every single thing about this manifesto is bogus. Christians are demeaning other religions and people. Christianity is no being demeaned. Maybe the church is but they deserve it and the church and christianity are not one and the same. Reaching out to poor and oppressed? Ha what a joke? Does the church even support healthcare reform.

      They cannot proclaim that they seek justice and reach out to the oppressed when they deny abortions or gay rights. Its ridiculous - the two are quite contradictory! You cannot oppose contraception to prevent the spread of HIV and then, claim they reach out to the suffering. Again, contradictory remarks.

      Frankly, this is an assault to the constitution which directly say that religion should not interfere with any part of government.

      Who wrote this crap?
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      • Author by David Self (November 25, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
           
        Sir
        I am a Christian. I am involved in Disaster Relief. I volunteered in Pascagula MS, Bay St Louis MS, Lakeshore MS(twice), Pasedina TX and Macon GA. I also am a 10 year volunteer in Operation Christmas Child. We have sent almost 2,000 shoeboxes to children in over 100 countrties. I have helped establish a local clinic that works with other committed Christians to minister to the underinsured in Milledgeville, GA. I am currently trying to expand the work.

        I do this because I love Christ and his teachings. Without my love and devotion to him, I would be the man drinking himself to death or chasing your girlfriend.

        I do agree that the average church member hasn't earned the right to tell you that Jesus is the way. Most are too imature to handle real religion.

        As for demaning others, I have not yet signed the document in question.
        I was demeaned when prayer was ruled against
        I was demeaned when I was to that I couldn't speak of Jesus an keep my job
        I was demeaned when handing one a Bible is considered illegal.
        I was demeaned when my children could not have a Christmas Party at school.
        I was demeaned when my friends called me a freak
        I was demeaned in a gas station when a customer ahead of me told someone that religious people like me were @#$%. He didn't even know me.
        I was demeaned when I can not longer speak in terms of right and wrong.
        I was hurt when my daughter told me had to write essays in favor of the gay agenda or face the consequences.

        Well the constitution is a great document, but is not my Bible. Many committed Christians are living with the fear that we are but one reintepritation of the law from fines and/or imprisonment. So we will fly against the dying of the light.

        We do not deny abortions, they have been ocurring in clinics for a while now. It is the leading cause of death among blacks. Please don't use my direct tax dollars. As for Gay rights, you already have them. Calling gays married will never be the same as heterosexual marriage anyway. Not until gays can give birth to their own. You will never hear gay couples say,"that cute nose comes from my side of the family."

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    • Author by Handyman (November 24, 2009 8:44 pm ET)
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      Something is not adding up here - isn't one of the reasons the Pilgrims came to America was to escape persecution from the Church of England which had too much influence in Politics? We must be on a 500 year cycle.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:59 pm ET)
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        Its not the church's fault alone. They are certainly to blame for this disaster they call a declaration and all the blatant contradictions within it and rocky moral basis it espouses. But the people in this country are just so dumb they buy into all this BS. Man, this country is stupid.
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 8:47 pm ET)
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      What absolute vomit this thing is. The more he talks anout this pamphlet, the more I would like to spit on it and then, burn it and drop the ashes in a vat of acid. This is the worst part of the church and religion's ability to replace facts and science with dogma and distorted biblical scripture.

      Christianity should be as far removed from government policy as a lake from the middle of the sahara.Isnt it enough we already have a few fanatically right christian idiots occupying space for what should be a congressman?

      The church constantly pushes against progress. They refuse to change some stale political beliefs that are never, ever advocated in the bible but rather their warped interpretation of such words. I REALLY DESPISE RELIGION SOMETIMES - The venom that poisons our national debates and political discussions. READ THE FIRST AMENDMENT WRITERS OF THIS REFUSE - we do not want your bible input in our laws!
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    • Author by magnolialover (November 24, 2009 9:27 pm ET)
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      With this whole declaration thing, first of all, who is taking away their religious rights? Nobody.

      Who is telling them that they have to marry gay people in their church? Again, nobody.

      Who is telling them that life isn't sacred? Again, nobody.

      Is someone making christians get abortions? Nope, of course not, not even close.

      These people are nuts. They are more than free to worship as they see fit. They are more than free to not have abortions. They are also free to not have gay people get married under their religion and in their church.

      Everything apparently that they think they aren't getting, and or are losing their freedoms about, they're not. It's ridiculous. Poor picked upon vast majority again. Jeesh.. What a bunch of whiners.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 24, 2009 11:10 pm ET)
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        Seriously! Just stay out of American policy and worry about christian or church policy. Why does the church feel the need to dictate their incredibly corrupt christian values onto EVERYBODY or its not a win for them. i mean we have protestants, Jews, Muslims, Hindu and Buddhist in America too among others. We have no interest in their idiotic ideology. STAY AWAY FROM AMERICAN POLITICS WIERD CHURCH PEOPLE! Now we just need to get most of C street out of congress who obviously make decisions based on warped church principals. Can the church just leave us and not come back any more? I am tired of their whining. They can tell Catholics to do whatever it is they want. Leave the rest of us ALONE!
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (November 24, 2009 9:31 pm ET)
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      Given that the number one truth of the Declaration is "the sanctity of human life", I expect we will soon hear Rove, O'Reilly and Coulter coming out against war and capital punishment.
      They should also stop allowing for abortion in the case of rape, incest, or the health of the mother.

      Until they do, they should shut their pie holes.
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    • Author by SLRTX (November 25, 2009 12:13 am ET)
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      When you are told to stop forcing your self-righteous, discriminatory, hateful "values" on me, you call it a "war on Christianity?"

      Save your crocodile tears.
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    • Author by jdhobbes (November 25, 2009 8:18 am ET)
         
      The weird thing is that no one is telling the Christian church to do anything it doesn't want to. If the CChurch doesn't want its members to engage in same-sex relationships or marriage, then they shouldn't. If the CChurch doesn't want its members to have abortions, then they shouldn't.

      The problem is that it's not enough that Christians don't support these things, but they don't want anyone else (non-Christians) to support them either. What they want is to influence government rulings according to their religious moral principles, reigniting the relationship of Church and State, which is something that the modern North American finds distasteful, dangerous, and unacceptable.

      So Christians: go embrace your manifesto! If its important to you to live a pure Christian life according to the values in this manifesto, then get to it! But don't tell me, a non-Christian, how I should live my life or set my moral values for me and I'll do the same.

      Mutual respect, not mutual agreement, is how we learn to live together in relative peace.
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