Hume rails against "global warming alarmists" who can't explain why there's been "no apparent increase in global temperatures" since '98
November 30, 2009 7:46 pm ET
From the November 30 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:
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The evidence exists in the relentless increase in both atmospheric and oceanic CO2 concentrations. The evidence of global climate change is everywhere, be it melting glaciers or plagues of invasive species in areas previously impenetrable due to cold winter temperatures.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
One, why can't FOX or whoever hacked into these emails at least give us the entirety of the emails? Why offer up a few sentences when the context of such sentences would be far more credible proof that the researchers were trying to fudge data?
Two, there are literally thousands of organizations across the world supporting the conclusion that global warming is real and caused by man. How do a few sentences offer up proof to discredit thousands of research orgs and hundreds of thousands of scientists. One would think a reasonably intelligent person would need a littler more proof to discredit that kind of consensus than a few sentences like maybe perhaps some actual statistics.
Three, where is the motive here? If this entire thing is a hoax, what exactly are thousands of scientists getting out of making a mockery out of science itself? If this was a hoax and it was eventually revealed as such (which no doubt it would be if it was a hoax) wouldn't thousands of scientists lose their jobs and their careers to such a ploy. The motivation to do something like this would have to be tremendous and yet, it seems such motive is never actually discussed on FOX. and the rare instances when it is, none of them can actually come up with anything even remotely legitimate.
Finally, if most of science is in agreement over something that is some giant ploy to fool the world, how did they achieve such consensus? It is extremely hard to convince thousands of people to believe something that isnt true. To try to convince scientists of falsehoods is even more difficult. And to get scientists to risk their careers, reputations and lives on such a hoax one would think would be impossible. How did the scientific community reach such a false consensus? FOX never ever delves into this which I would think would be absolutely critical to proving to the world that this is all a hoax.
I'm sorry, I just had to fix that part for you. Other than that part, I agree with you wholeheartedly. They won't just go and ask the individuals who wrote the emails because Fox knows that there is an entirely plausible explanation for each of the statements.
As for attacking global warming, Fox knows they can't do it based on actual facts and science. Instead what Fox does, is to discredit the individuals by cherry picking statistics and quotes. They hope to discredit the individuals so they can sit back and claim that the individuals are so corrupt, that their research cannot be trusted. It's a lot easier to discredit a small group then extrapolate than it is to dispute an individuals factual and expert findings.
You're right, kanye . . . global warming is the inevitable result of all the SUV's driven by grizzly bears and the industrial wastes created by wolves [SMH] . . . /end sarcasm/
Science is far from law in that scientists cannot and usually will not (if they are credible) go out and say something is definitely correct. Even sciences greatest discoveries that defined science for generations to come are mostly stated as theories and not facts.
It is because of this doubt that science is both perfect (in that everything can always be disproven with the proper investigation if wrong) and imperfect(in that nothing can ever be proven if correct).
The problem is that when it comes to action to support these conclusions that science has reached, it is often up to politicians, law makers, doctors and administrators to implement such things rather than scientists themselves. So even the strongest conclusions drawn from extensive research can be left to the court of public opinion after being wholeheartedly supported by the dedication of thousands of research experiments and investigative constructs. So while the evidence is almost entirely in support of such a process of global warming, we will let something that has the potential to be catastrophic (like AIDS and lung cancer before it) go entirely unchecked for a while while society debates its truth.
Fact is, one out of every three Africans would not have HIV and die before they reach 40 right now, if we did not first allow AIDS to be debated as incurable or the punishment from God or some other nonsense and put massive money into research before and during the debate. But politicians let the political debate supercede the scientific proof and millions have died as a consequence. Similarly, lung cancer was known to be associated to cigarette smoking decades before politicians did anything to stop the catastrophic impact of big tobacco and America and the world still pays the price today - smokers account for about 85 percent of lung cancer and cause 1.3 million deaths annually.
WHEN WILL WE LEARN THAT SCIENCE IS NOT UP FOR A POLITICAL DEBATE? And if we allow such nonsense to occur, the result is often disastrous beyond compare.
and good to see the typical condescending response to your "research"... "fair and balanced", as always.
In my previous post on Climategate I blithely said that nothing in the climate science email dump surprised me much. Having waded more deeply over the weekend I take that back.
The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering. And, as Christopher Booker argues, this scandal is not at the margins of the politicised IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] process. It is not tangential to the policy prescriptions emanating from what David Henderson called the environmental policy milieu [subscription required]. It goes to the core of that process.
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Remember that this is not an academic exercise. We contemplate outlays of trillions of dollars to fix this supposed problem. Can I read these emails and feel that the scientists involved deserve to be trusted? No, I cannot. These people are willing to subvert the very methods--notably, peer review--that underwrite the integrity of their discipline. Is this really business as usual in science these days? If it is, we should demand higher standards--at least whenever "the science" calls for a wholesale transformation of the world economy. And maybe some independent oversight to go along with the higher standards.
The IPCC process needs to be fixed, as a matter of the greatest urgency. Read David Henderson or the Wegman report to see how. And in the meantime, let's have some independent inquiries into what has been going on.
There is a consensus on manmade global warming. It's real, it's happening, and it's scary to any thinking person who's educated on this topic.
The criticism as applied to Hume & Co.
The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of truth and journalistic inquiry, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering
Why don't you do what Fox normally does & get one of those homeless guys off the street, give him a shower, shave, a new suit, then park him in front of you as an "expert" in the field of climatology? He'll probably have more intelligent input on this subject than you.
Unfortunately, NASA, NOAA, and pretty much all of the scientific community would beg to differ with your assessment. Too bad all those nice PhD types spent all that time & effort on their work, just to have you tell them they can't explain things. Go get that homeless guy. You need the "expert" help.
The global chart (top) shows swings with that blip in 1998 (due to an el-nino) looking higher than recent points.
But, take a look at the northern hemisphere chart. Notice a nice, steady up-ward trend. Remember, most of the industrial societies are located in the northern hemisphere.
Now, take a look at the southern hemisphere. More variation. But, there's not nearly as much industrial societies in this hemisphere.
The el-nino effect in 1998 shows up on all charts.
If there's cooling, I certainly don't see it.
For anybody who needs a laugh on this topic, I checked out Freeperville to see how they were dealing with the wingnuts latest attempt to manufacture a scandal.
Apparently, Googling the word "Climategate" , and noticing that not even most of our goofy media is being suckered into using that term, is proof of leftist globalist socialist media bias.
Another great Moment in Freepertown.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2397301/posts
Also of interest on their home page is an account of a multiple murder/suicide in Chicago subtitled "Hope and Change Breaks Out", with a comment suggesting "we need a million man march or midnight basketball". Keepin it Klassy.
So googling one single term is THE definitive way to search for lack of coverage?
Good god! Either these are bubble-headed dimwits who don't have a clue how to do web searches, or as you said, they're manufacturing a scandal.
So, CNN didn't cover this? They just decided not to call it "climategate":
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/23/hacker.climate/index.html
The BBC supposedly missed it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8370282.stm
MSNBC directs you to the Washington Post.
CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/24/taking_liberties/entry5761180.shtml
Couldn't find anything on the ABC News and Newsweek sites. But, that may just be the way I googled it.
There's a ton of stories on the emails, most from credible sources understand that it's not a scandal, it's nothing resembling what the rightys want it to be ( proof that GW is a hoax), so obviously they're not using the term "Climategate".
It's like Googling "Brit Hume is Satan", and citing the lack of results as proof of conservative media bias. I guess it works on the Freepers.
During this same period, George W Bush was working on his own plan to consume a "thousand pints of Lite".
In fact, such a decisions rests on the research of thousands of scientists and hundreds of groups and while under the large umbrella organization associated with the UN (which FOX has constantly tried to discredit to no avail) they are actually from hundreds of research organizations throughout the world. Similarly, the conclusion reached by the panel composed of thousands of scientists was subsequently supported after massive empirical review by thousands of scientific societies throughout the world. The fudging of data by a single person or group could not result in the broad spectrum of support in anyone's wildest dreams. But leave it to fox to disregard all of the massive evidence that they are abjectly ignoring to focus in on some small shred of very speculative potential proof to support their own absolutely ridiculous conclusions.
In this case, Why are scientists trying to fool the world into believing global warming thereby risking their careers and reputations in the process? And if this is all a hoax, how did the scientific community achieve the state of appearing in strong consensus that global warming is real and man-made? Im sorry but these two questions must be answered and answered satisfactorily before anyone should ever believe would FOX news is trying to sell its viewers. Not only have neither question been answered but such answers have completely eluded the FOX pundits.
All you have to do is look out of your window- or take a walk outside and know that global warming is happening at an alarming rate. Really!! It's December in New England- is there snow on the ground??? Why, no. It's still 56 degrees outside. No cause for alarm. Everything is just fine. Just turn to your neighbor, smile, and say, "What a nice day today."
I feel like we are ants on the edge of a frying pan. "Oh my- isn't it so warm here. I didn't like that chilly stove-top. It's so nice up here in the heat."
Really, people!! Without cold we will have less fresh water for the entire planet!! Let's get together!! Let's remember how it was!! Let's realize how bad it will be!! And let's stop arguing about what caused it and realize that if we don't stop it then we are going to have major problems.
Also- why isn't anyone talking about anything other than CO2? We should be talking also about Methane, and what about synthetic global warming agents, like HFC's and CF3SO2-type chemicals. Shouldn't industrial chemicals also be considered for very tough regulations. Shouldn't we also be talking about aerosol cans and such?
I want White Christmases again!
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I mean... that's the same with every other piece of science and technology on the face of the planet! These people are lying scum.