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Hume rails against "global warming alarmists" who can't explain why there's been "no apparent increase in global temperatures" since '98

November 30, 2009 7:46 pm ET

From the November 30 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Bret Baier:

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Previously:

Limbaugh claims that no evidence supports global warming, then says anybody suppressing such data was "doing us a favor"

Krugman hits back on Will's global warming claims: "Not a single smoking gun" in scientists' emails

Quick Fact: WSJ's Freeman claims "there hasn't been any warming since 1998"; climate experts disagree

In Newsweek, Will employs falsehood to attack Newsweek article on warming

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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (November 30, 2009 8:03 pm ET)
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      Republican party media cry cry about global warming.A way to shut them up would be to discuss the effects on people that have already been documented,SKIN CANCER.When things affect our atmosphear,they affect our shield against the sun's rays.This would probably have an effect republican party media' audience.Many of their supporters have shin cancer caused by changes in our enviroment
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      • Author by all your eyes (November 30, 2009 8:41 pm ET)
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        Skin cancer's not the right approach: they will contend that any warming we've experienced has been driven by the sun, likewise any increase in atmospheric CO2.

        The evidence exists in the relentless increase in both atmospheric and oceanic CO2 concentrations. The evidence of global climate change is everywhere, be it melting glaciers or plagues of invasive species in areas previously impenetrable due to cold winter temperatures.
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        • Author by SLRTX (November 30, 2009 8:48 pm ET)
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          Here's a good site.

          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
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        • Author by blk-in-alabam (November 30, 2009 9:12 pm ET)
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          It is really sad when most industry agree,most people agree.But you have people who take industry money cry and cry loud that global warming does not exist.But they are not really doing the bidding of industry,whose money they are taking.It is a make work deal for the republicans.They go to industry begging for money saying give me something to do.You know you owe me,and I may do something for you latter on.You can say it is industry money.But that does not control how the individual peoson acts to get the money.With that being understood,the republicans know they must lie to the people and keep bs going.It makes no difference if what they cheer for harms the people.All they are concerned about is being legit enough to get some money.Industry gives them a few million just in case.This is verified by the billions of dollars industry has spent,and the billoins being spent related to global warming.Industry knows global warming is real.There has to be a way to stop the republicans and those hiding under the cover of conservative from getting away with this.The republicans,and so-called conservatives are being just plain bums.Begging,crapping on everybody,representing noboby's interest.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 30, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
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        Does anyone actually believing this consider what FOX is trying to say right here? They are saying that a few emails from the same research team proves that the entire concept of global warming is a hoax. And not even a few emails, what the viewers have seen is a few sentences taken haphazardly from these emails is proof the whole thing is a hoax.

        One, why can't FOX or whoever hacked into these emails at least give us the entirety of the emails? Why offer up a few sentences when the context of such sentences would be far more credible proof that the researchers were trying to fudge data?

        Two, there are literally thousands of organizations across the world supporting the conclusion that global warming is real and caused by man. How do a few sentences offer up proof to discredit thousands of research orgs and hundreds of thousands of scientists. One would think a reasonably intelligent person would need a littler more proof to discredit that kind of consensus than a few sentences like maybe perhaps some actual statistics.

        Three, where is the motive here? If this entire thing is a hoax, what exactly are thousands of scientists getting out of making a mockery out of science itself? If this was a hoax and it was eventually revealed as such (which no doubt it would be if it was a hoax) wouldn't thousands of scientists lose their jobs and their careers to such a ploy. The motivation to do something like this would have to be tremendous and yet, it seems such motive is never actually discussed on FOX. and the rare instances when it is, none of them can actually come up with anything even remotely legitimate.

        Finally, if most of science is in agreement over something that is some giant ploy to fool the world, how did they achieve such consensus? It is extremely hard to convince thousands of people to believe something that isnt true. To try to convince scientists of falsehoods is even more difficult. And to get scientists to risk their careers, reputations and lives on such a hoax one would think would be impossible. How did the scientific community reach such a false consensus? FOX never ever delves into this which I would think would be absolutely critical to proving to the world that this is all a hoax.
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        • Author by Civic Racecar (November 30, 2009 11:46 pm ET)
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          It is extremely hard to convince thousands of people to believe something that isn't true, unless you have a 24hr "news" network spewing lies every minute. To try to convince scientists, or other educated people, of falsehoods is even more difficult.

          I'm sorry, I just had to fix that part for you. Other than that part, I agree with you wholeheartedly. They won't just go and ask the individuals who wrote the emails because Fox knows that there is an entirely plausible explanation for each of the statements.

          As for attacking global warming, Fox knows they can't do it based on actual facts and science. Instead what Fox does, is to discredit the individuals by cherry picking statistics and quotes. They hope to discredit the individuals so they can sit back and claim that the individuals are so corrupt, that their research cannot be trusted. It's a lot easier to discredit a small group then extrapolate than it is to dispute an individuals factual and expert findings.
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          • Author by Sharpe (December 01, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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            Yea, good correction. I meant thousands of remotely educated or reasonably intelligent people ie not people who believe every word on fox news.
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    • Author by westofkanye (November 30, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
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      I'm glad this subject remains open to debate. There are too many variables in climatology and too much history of climate change sans human intervention to conclude humans are imminently to blame and therefore able to reverse
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      • Author by mjh (November 30, 2009 8:52 pm ET)
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        "There are too many variables in climatology and too much history of climate change sans human intervention to conclude humans are imminently to blame and therefore able to reverse"



        You're right, kanye . . . global warming is the inevitable result of all the SUV's driven by grizzly bears and the industrial wastes created by wolves [SMH] . . . /end sarcasm/

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        • Author by MiniTru (December 01, 2009 8:35 am ET)
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          When I see [SMH], I think "Sydney Morning Herald." Are you using it to mean something else?
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        • Author by all your eyes (December 01, 2009 9:16 am ET)
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          SUVs may be obnoxious, and domestic oil consumption is definitely a geopolitical problem, but the real driver of CO2 concentrations is and always will be industrial-scale coal combustion. Just sayin'.
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      • Author by Sharpe (November 30, 2009 9:03 pm ET)
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        Science is imperfect mainly because it relies on the scientific method. Using such a method which has been used for centuries is not ideal (it is just the closest to idea) because relying on such a process means that nothing in science has or can ever be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

        Science is far from law in that scientists cannot and usually will not (if they are credible) go out and say something is definitely correct. Even sciences greatest discoveries that defined science for generations to come are mostly stated as theories and not facts.

        It is because of this doubt that science is both perfect (in that everything can always be disproven with the proper investigation if wrong) and imperfect(in that nothing can ever be proven if correct).

        The problem is that when it comes to action to support these conclusions that science has reached, it is often up to politicians, law makers, doctors and administrators to implement such things rather than scientists themselves. So even the strongest conclusions drawn from extensive research can be left to the court of public opinion after being wholeheartedly supported by the dedication of thousands of research experiments and investigative constructs. So while the evidence is almost entirely in support of such a process of global warming, we will let something that has the potential to be catastrophic (like AIDS and lung cancer before it) go entirely unchecked for a while while society debates its truth.

        Fact is, one out of every three Africans would not have HIV and die before they reach 40 right now, if we did not first allow AIDS to be debated as incurable or the punishment from God or some other nonsense and put massive money into research before and during the debate. But politicians let the political debate supercede the scientific proof and millions have died as a consequence. Similarly, lung cancer was known to be associated to cigarette smoking decades before politicians did anything to stop the catastrophic impact of big tobacco and America and the world still pays the price today - smokers account for about 85 percent of lung cancer and cause 1.3 million deaths annually.

        WHEN WILL WE LEARN THAT SCIENCE IS NOT UP FOR A POLITICAL DEBATE? And if we allow such nonsense to occur, the result is often disastrous beyond compare.
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    • Author by ProgLib (November 30, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
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      you dont get it, brit. stop trying to explain something you have no knowledge about.

      and good to see the typical condescending response to your "research"... "fair and balanced", as always.
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    • Author by gpp (November 30, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
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      Clive Crook writing in The Atlantic:

      In my previous post on Climategate I blithely said that nothing in the climate science email dump surprised me much. Having waded more deeply over the weekend I take that back.
      The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering. And, as Christopher Booker argues, this scandal is not at the margins of the politicised IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] process. It is not tangential to the policy prescriptions emanating from what David Henderson called the environmental policy milieu [subscription required]. It goes to the core of that process.

      [...]


      Remember that this is not an academic exercise. We contemplate outlays of trillions of dollars to fix this supposed problem. Can I read these emails and feel that the scientists involved deserve to be trusted? No, I cannot. These people are willing to subvert the very methods--notably, peer review--that underwrite the integrity of their discipline. Is this really business as usual in science these days? If it is, we should demand higher standards--at least whenever "the science" calls for a wholesale transformation of the world economy. And maybe some independent oversight to go along with the higher standards.

      The IPCC process needs to be fixed, as a matter of the greatest urgency. Read David Henderson or the Wegman report to see how. And in the meantime, let's have some independent inquiries into what has been going on.

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      • Author by DellDolly (December 01, 2009 1:20 am ET)
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        Yeah, don't waste your time. The Wegman report has been refuted.

        There is a consensus on manmade global warming. It's real, it's happening, and it's scary to any thinking person who's educated on this topic.
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        • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (December 01, 2009 9:28 am ET)
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          The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering.
          Clive Crook writing in The Atlantic:

          The criticism as applied to Hume & Co.

          The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of truth and journalistic inquiry, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering
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    • Author by SLRTX (November 30, 2009 8:38 pm ET)
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      Hume, thank you for your intelligent insight into something you are completely ignorant of.

      Why don't you do what Fox normally does & get one of those homeless guys off the street, give him a shower, shave, a new suit, then park him in front of you as an "expert" in the field of climatology? He'll probably have more intelligent input on this subject than you.

      Unfortunately, NASA, NOAA, and pretty much all of the scientific community would beg to differ with your assessment. Too bad all those nice PhD types spent all that time & effort on their work, just to have you tell them they can't explain things. Go get that homeless guy. You need the "expert" help.

      [http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/globalwarming/ar4-fig-3-6.gif]
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      • Author by SLRTX (November 30, 2009 8:42 pm ET)
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        Just so you all see what I see.....

        The global chart (top) shows swings with that blip in 1998 (due to an el-nino) looking higher than recent points.

        But, take a look at the northern hemisphere chart. Notice a nice, steady up-ward trend. Remember, most of the industrial societies are located in the northern hemisphere.

        Now, take a look at the southern hemisphere. More variation. But, there's not nearly as much industrial societies in this hemisphere.

        The el-nino effect in 1998 shows up on all charts.

        If there's cooling, I certainly don't see it.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 30, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
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          Right wing dimwits like Hume seem to be constantly confused about these things. They imagine people "can't explain" things just because they aren't bright enough to understand those things.

          For anybody who needs a laugh on this topic, I checked out Freeperville to see how they were dealing with the wingnuts latest attempt to manufacture a scandal.

          Apparently, Googling the word "Climategate" , and noticing that not even most of our goofy media is being suckered into using that term, is proof of leftist globalist socialist media bias.

          Another great Moment in Freepertown.

          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2397301/posts

          Also of interest on their home page is an account of a multiple murder/suicide in Chicago subtitled "Hope and Change Breaks Out", with a comment suggesting "we need a million man march or midnight basketball". Keepin it Klassy.
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          • Author by SLRTX (November 30, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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            Your link shows how these guys are such idiots.

            So googling one single term is THE definitive way to search for lack of coverage?

            Good god! Either these are bubble-headed dimwits who don't have a clue how to do web searches, or as you said, they're manufacturing a scandal.

            So, CNN didn't cover this? They just decided not to call it "climategate":
            http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/23/hacker.climate/index.html

            The BBC supposedly missed it:
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8370282.stm

            MSNBC directs you to the Washington Post.

            CBS:
            http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/24/taking_liberties/entry5761180.shtml

            Couldn't find anything on the ABC News and Newsweek sites. But, that may just be the way I googled it.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 01, 2009 12:20 am ET)
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              But "Climategate" implies a scandal. UNless that word is used, the media source in question isn't going along with the right wing spin ( pretending there's a scandal) and so, obviously, must be biased.

              There's a ton of stories on the emails, most from credible sources understand that it's not a scandal, it's nothing resembling what the rightys want it to be ( proof that GW is a hoax), so obviously they're not using the term "Climategate".

              It's like Googling "Brit Hume is Satan", and citing the lack of results as proof of conservative media bias. I guess it works on the Freepers.

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          • Author by MiniTru (December 01, 2009 8:41 am ET)
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            midnight basketball
            The Freepers never point out that so-called "midnight basketball" was hailed By George H.W. Bush as one of his "thousand points of light" and was seen as a success in keeping inner-city kids off the streets when their parents either couldn't or didn't control their behavior.

            During this same period, George W Bush was working on his own plan to consume a "thousand pints of Lite".
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 30, 2009 8:51 pm ET)
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      Only problem to that conclusion is that there is not one organization in which all of the world's scientist's are basing their opinion on the fact that global warming is real nor has anyone EVER claims that a single research team, group or society has discovered or founded their work on supporting the idea of global warming.

      In fact, such a decisions rests on the research of thousands of scientists and hundreds of groups and while under the large umbrella organization associated with the UN (which FOX has constantly tried to discredit to no avail) they are actually from hundreds of research organizations throughout the world. Similarly, the conclusion reached by the panel composed of thousands of scientists was subsequently supported after massive empirical review by thousands of scientific societies throughout the world. The fudging of data by a single person or group could not result in the broad spectrum of support in anyone's wildest dreams. But leave it to fox to disregard all of the massive evidence that they are abjectly ignoring to focus in on some small shred of very speculative potential proof to support their own absolutely ridiculous conclusions.
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    • Author by Sharpe (November 30, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
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      Whenever something appears almost too outlandish to believe, I always ask myself how and why -

      In this case, Why are scientists trying to fool the world into believing global warming thereby risking their careers and reputations in the process? And if this is all a hoax, how did the scientific community achieve the state of appearing in strong consensus that global warming is real and man-made? Im sorry but these two questions must be answered and answered satisfactorily before anyone should ever believe would FOX news is trying to sell its viewers. Not only have neither question been answered but such answers have completely eluded the FOX pundits.
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    • Author by jenniferk (November 30, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
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      There is a toasty place in the afterlife for the "There's No Such Thing As Global Warming" nuts. The thing I can't understand is how many people believe them.

      All you have to do is look out of your window- or take a walk outside and know that global warming is happening at an alarming rate. Really!! It's December in New England- is there snow on the ground??? Why, no. It's still 56 degrees outside. No cause for alarm. Everything is just fine. Just turn to your neighbor, smile, and say, "What a nice day today."

      I feel like we are ants on the edge of a frying pan. "Oh my- isn't it so warm here. I didn't like that chilly stove-top. It's so nice up here in the heat."

      Really, people!! Without cold we will have less fresh water for the entire planet!! Let's get together!! Let's remember how it was!! Let's realize how bad it will be!! And let's stop arguing about what caused it and realize that if we don't stop it then we are going to have major problems.

      Also- why isn't anyone talking about anything other than CO2? We should be talking also about Methane, and what about synthetic global warming agents, like HFC's and CF3SO2-type chemicals. Shouldn't industrial chemicals also be considered for very tough regulations. Shouldn't we also be talking about aerosol cans and such?

      I want White Christmases again!

      Fight the propaganda machine!! Fight FOX NEWS!!!

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (November 30, 2009 10:58 pm ET)
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      Hume is a f^ck!n& liar. Period. A paid, f^ck!n& professional liar. The current climate models completely explain the current LEVELING OFF (not cooling!) of temperatures, and predict that it will go for a few more years yet, before trending sharply upwards again. It's not only EXPLAINED by the models, but PREDICTED by them. (If they didn't see it coming 10-15-20 years ago, it is reasonable to believe, or ASSUME, that they have been REFINED since then, and are always, on any given day, better then they have ever been...

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      I mean... that's the same with every other piece of science and technology on the face of the planet! These people are lying scum.
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      • Author by bsherman (November 30, 2009 11:44 pm ET)
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        I suppose the polar ice caps and Greenland are melting because they feel like it. Obviously it has nothing to do with temperature.
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      • Author by jeffro (December 01, 2009 4:30 am ET)
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        That's right Eddie. Just the Lull Before The Storm. Corporate Shills Suck!
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    • Author by big2xrube6146 (December 01, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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      The bottom line to all of this is that Hume and the rest of these so called FOX experts need to get out of those climate controled buildings and go out in the real world. I bet that none of these IDIOTS even cut thier own grass in the summer or have to woory about getting a good hard winter to help control insects and help crops do better in the spring. FOX is full of AH's.
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