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Citing Wash. Post op-ed, Fox News report asks in on-screen text: "Lowering the Minimum Wage: Is It Better for Workers?"

December 14, 2009 11:45 am ET

From the December 14 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:

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Previously:

Wash. Post op-ed: "Kill these job-killers"

NBC's Robach ignores evidence that minimum wage increase will stimulate economy

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    • Author by HistoricallyCorrect (December 14, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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      These people are talking crazy talk.
      The only way lowering minimum wage would be better, is if you lowered all of the costs of living.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (December 14, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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      Why is lowering the minimum wage a good thing and lowering the pay/bonus of the Wall Street banker is the worst idea in the world?

      I really don't need an answer, I have a pretty good idea why things are like this.
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      • Author by mhughen (December 14, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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        limiting the pay of poor = good economic ideology
        limiting the pay of bankers bailed out with my tax$ = socialism/fascism/communism

        hmmmm . . .

        Why does the republican party hate the vast majority of Americans?


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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 14, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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          Why does the republican party hate the vast majority of Americans?
          Because the vast majority of Americans aren't Republicans.
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      • Author by edgewaterprog (December 14, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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        Thanks for saying what needed to be said RW.
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    • Author by captfoster2 (December 14, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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      Corporate propaganda at its best...

      Of course, in reality it should not be a question but a statement

      "Doubling the minimum wage: it WILL be better for workers!"
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    • Author by epkklk851 (December 14, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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      My Econ prof was all for doing away with the minimum wage. He was a big believer in Supply-Side Economics, Free Markets, and Reaganism. (Poor guy didn't know he was such a loser.) This is something that they like to spout. If we got rid of the minimum wage, I am quite sure that wages for teens would go down, and so would the wages of the unskilled workers. And then the Foxtarts would be trying to convince us how much better off we are with Free Markets and higher corporate profits! Stinkers.
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      • Author by The_Cat (December 14, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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        I'd favor eliminating the minimum wage, epkklk851, but if and only if we replaced it with a maximum wage. Say... $500,000 a year. Nobody gets paid ('paid' including reimbursements like stock options, corporate jets, company paid housing, etc.) more than that. Period. Think we'd have any takers?
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        • Author by epkklk851 (December 14, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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          No takers on that one. People can be pretty sure they won't have to go back to a minimum wage job once they establish themselves, but they always want the freedom to dream about being rich. I don't dream much about being rich, but I do dream about what I can do with my house and my bills once my girls finish college. To keep my own salary, ah the luxury!
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          • Author by The_Cat (December 14, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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            Which is funny when you realize that half a million a year is ten times the median income for 2007. Of course, it's also less than a tenth of what executives at Fortune 500 companies earned in 2005.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (December 14, 2009 1:29 pm ET)
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              I know. I might not mind the compensation cap, but lots of people have those silly dreams of being filthy rich. What do you do with all that money? A Maybach can set you back $1 million but my hybrid still gets better mileage, and I'm not afraid to drive it anywhere.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 14, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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              Exactly the perspective that the average American needs to be aware of, Cat. Unfortunately the Fox zombies have it bashed into their receptive little skulls daily that it's those Mexicans and burger flippers keeping them down.
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      • Author by fishgirl26 (December 14, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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        I would love to see the guys at fox noise try to live on minimum wage! The "blondes" wouldn't be able to do their highlights and we'd find out the nasty truth that they are actually educated brunettes!! GAH! I love how fox is trying to make everyone but rich guys give up something!
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      • Author by peter john (December 15, 2009 1:33 am ET)
           
        The economy has two sides: supply and demand. They have to stay is balance. Lowering the minimum wage would lower demand which would increase unemployment. Increasing the minimum wage would increase demand which would increase employment. It is the opposite of what Fox said. One of the reason that the Republican alway mess up the economy is maybe they don't really understand how it works. The other reason is maybe they don't care as long as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer until they all die.
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    • Author by mhughen (December 14, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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      their argtumant goes like this:
      I have a sign in my backyard that says "Elephants and Bears KEEP OUT."
      I have not seen any elephants or bears in my yard, ergo, my sign is successful.

      Heres another good one:
      Left uses "social justice" arguments and the right uses "macro-economic" terms . . . WHAT BS THIS IS!!!!! Especially when Glenn Blecch has said the social justice is lefty-code-talk for sicalism, etc . . .

      I am having difficulty understanding what these fools are saying because that corporate schlong is all up in their mouth!!

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      • Author by epkklk851 (December 14, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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        "that corporate schlong is all up in their mouth!!"

        Yep, that about says it all.
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    • Author by worrierking (December 14, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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      I knew this was going to be an intelligent, objective discussion, as soon the bubble headed blonde couldn't read and say "seven dollars and twenty five cents an hour".
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 14, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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        Ha, I didn't catch that, WK. "Seven point two five". I get the impression she's doesn't deal with fractions of dollars very often.

        I remember a co-worker, a part-timer and not highly paid, giving me her two cents a few years back on raising the minimum wage. She was really against it, informing me that it would force small businesses to shut down.

        I think if you hire somebody to help your business, and they can't cover the cost of employing them at minimum wage (what, doing 100 bucks worth of work in eight hours?) then you really didn't need the help.

        I'm not comforted by the Fox Fact that only half of MW employees are over 25 years old. That doesn't sound like America to me.

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        • Author by worrierking (December 14, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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          I know people like that. You'd think that with their knowledge of economics, and economic systems, they'd be able to find employment more suitable to their "gifts".
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (December 14, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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          That's the whole sham to this anti-minimum wage talk, Colonel. It relies upon the premise that if the wage goes up, employers are going to have to fire people. But in order for that to happen, these employees are superfluous-- the company doesn't need them. But of course, they do.

          No business hires extra employees these days that they can just get rid of...
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    • Author by The_Cat (December 14, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      So, if 3% are currently making minimum wage, whatever the dollar amount per hour is, then rolling back the minimum wage hike will affect nobody but those who are already living at or below poverty level, will it? If 97% of employees are already paid more than minimum wage, then what is the fuss by the Republican about 'artificially' inflating the cost of new hires?

      The minimum wage works out to $14,500 a year. If only 20% is taken for state and federal taxes, that's less than $1000 a month to live on. Food, rent, utilities, car payment, clothing and other expendables. Oh yeah. That's the high life, right there.

      Perhaps those at FOX Propaganda should read more than one book, before they leap to any economic conclusions. Oh, I know. The one book they read happened to coincide with what they wanted to believe, so why search further? For the rest of us, though...
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    • Author by Sharpe (December 14, 2009 12:17 pm ET)
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      Is that vomit i taste in the back of my throat? Are they kidding me? People would riot in the streets if they lowered minimum wage and no one would blame them. The creation of minimum wages and union led to the creation of a middle class. If we want to eradicate the middle class from the country, yea lets lower the minimum wage. Our current min wage is ridiculously laughable. We should raise it if anything.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (December 14, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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      Republicans would also suggest that eating cardboard for supper would be less costly for lower income people.
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      • Author by John Paradox (December 14, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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        Topped with ketchup, for the vegetable.
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      • Author by michaelkconnolly (December 14, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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        Don't forget that the Fox republicans have already advocated using abortions to control the lower income population as well!
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    • Author by Sharpe (December 14, 2009 12:19 pm ET)
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      I want to meet the morons that actually votes that lowering the min wage was a good thing so I can kick them in the nuts. Seriously. How dumb are these people?
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (December 14, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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      I am 100% behind eliminating the minimum wage. but, let's replace it with a living wage. What is that old Republican saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats"?
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    • Author by pete592 (December 14, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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      If you think making welfare more desirable than a job is better for workers, then the answer would be 'yes'.
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    • Author by marco21 (December 14, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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      That's how much contempt Fox News has for its viewers. Trying to sell them getting paid less is better for them while taxing the richest is anti-American.

      Only thing more contemptible is believing their BS.

      Fox News is a crime.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (December 14, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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        From my own encounters I would say that many FOX viewers regard the minimum wage as another form of welfare for black people...and, of course, they are opposed to any sort of assistance whatsoever to black people.
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    • Author by Don Quixote (December 14, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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      Twisted logic. Why not bring back slavery? That will reduce unemployment too.
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    • Author by raine315 (December 14, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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      And unemployed Tea Baggers scream YEAH as they sit in front their tv's as bills pile up on their kitchen counters. Waiting for Sarah Palin to post her insight on the subject on her Face Book page
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 14, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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      Fox News report asks in on-screen text: "Lowering the Minimum Wage: Is It Better for Workers?"
      Next question from Fox: "Slitting their wrists: Is it better for those who are depressed?"
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (December 14, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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      Citing Wash. Post op-ed, Fox News report asks in on-screen text: "Lowering the Minimum Wage: Is It Better for Workers?"

      The war on the poor never will go away with these retards will it? Well lets see.... First, eliminate the minimum wage for the poor, eliminate welfare help for the poor, elderly, and unemployment. Second, eliminate the 40hr work wk and have people slave working like the late 18th century to early 20th century. Third, eliminate the age limit to work as well, so you can have kids as soon as they could walk and talk working only to make a small clubhouse few rich!

      A Genuine Monarchy!

      *Facepalm*
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    • Author by CommieCanuck (December 14, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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      Best part is when she makes a note of how this guy "does not fall into that category..." when referring to the minimum wage earners. It's like an immediate alienation of people who earn lower wages and props them up as elitists.

      Second, he notes that the Teen Unemployment Rate is at its highest since WW2, and says that has something to do with the minimum wage? It's lower because there are no more jobs that allow younger people to work, and a larger portion of the teens today are lazy.
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    • Author by caels (December 14, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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      Depends ...

      It's better for business owners and the unemployed (since it would promote hiring at low costs).

      It's worse for the currently employed.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (December 14, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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      I would like to see these two reporters try to live on 7.25 an hour.
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      • Author by mjh (December 14, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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        I'd love to see the $40 million man himself, Rush Limpballs, try to live on $7.25/hr.

        Poor guy -- that'd put a severe dent in his oxycontin purchases . . .

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        • Author by k1dork (December 14, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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          I'm certain that most people who receive the minimum wage aren't having to live off of it, seeing that most people who get it are first time workers like highscool students.
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          • Author by Brabantio (December 14, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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            I haven't seen the clip, but CHS above said that FOX presented the fact that only 50% of minimum wage employees are over the age of 25. If that's true, hat would suggest that your use of "most" is inaccurate (unless it's really 49.9% and there's not a single person between high school and age 25 making minimum wage). Besides, "like" high school students doesn't mean anything. Someone working their way through college would also be a "first time" worker, and would have to live off of it.
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          • Author by The_Cat (December 14, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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            If you've downloaded and read the .pdf file mary59 thoughtfully provided below, k1dork, you'd discover that what you are certain of, while comforting, does not reflect reality.
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          • Author by liberalXtian (December 14, 2009 7:12 pm ET)
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            Then you don't get out much. You may not have any friends on minimum wage, but next time you are at Walmart, or any fast food place, check out the workers. If they're in high school, they've been held back a few decades!
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        • Author by liberalXtian (December 14, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
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          Rush would be dead in less than a day!
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    • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 14, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
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      This is one of the reasons for the Civil War. The Democrats of the 1800's are the Republicans of the day. The phony English Aristocrats of the South did not want to give up their slaves because they would have had to pay the hired help the outrageous wage of fifty cents to $1.00 a day. That would have cut too deeply into their profits. The want to enslave the working poor and lower middle class like they did the blacks.
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      • Author by k1dork (December 14, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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        They want to enslave high school kids, who are the people who tend to get minimum wage jobs.
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    • Author by k1dork (December 14, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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      Aren't most people who receive minimum wage first time employees, like high school kids?

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    • Author by pilotx (December 14, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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      I remember I got called an idiot here because I brought up the fact that the TX GOP was officially against the minimum wage. I was told that it actually hurts workers but when I asked for an explaination I couldn't get it. Can anyosy explain to me how eliminating minimum wage laws help lower-skilled workers? I mean a real explaination beyond GOP talking points.
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      • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 14, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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        The idea is that if the minumum wage is lowered that more lower-skill/no skill workers can be hired. These people are then employed and are no longer a burden to society. But at $7.25 per hour, that comes out to $13,920.00 a year before taxes, which is nowhere near enough to live on.
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        • Author by pilotx (December 14, 2009 9:59 pm ET)
             
          So it helps me because a company can hire two of us for $3.75/hr. instead of me getting the full $7.25? Wow, no wonder I could never get an
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