Beck calls climate change deniers Galileo under persecution from global warming cultists
December 14, 2009 5:43 pm ET
From the December 14 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:
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Beck seems to know even less about Galileo than he does about the Revolution's most famous atheist Thomas Paine.
Galileo was the one who would have evaluated the science and formed an opinion form his observations, not from whoever was lining his pockets.
Chalk up one more historical figure that Beck knows nothing about.
Tune in tomorrow for Glenn Beck's hysterical interpretation of historical people.
Is someone who simply thinks that MAN'S role in climate change isn't the most significant factor a "climate change denier?"
Yep, man has little to do with it. Right.
Replacing all gas-powered cars with green-powered cars would reduce greenhouse gases, wouldn't it?
We can't do any of those things right now. People can't afford wind and solar power. It will take years for adequate nuclear plants to be built. We don't have the technology for everyone to have green cars. Again, we can't afford it.
If the world is supposedly going to end if we don't do something this decade, then the world will end. Do the math. It doesn't add up.
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
What's the alternative? Burn more oil? Pollute the last of the fresh water, the last of the clean air? Spill wreck and ruin across the last pristine spaces on Earth? Not a tough choice for me.
I'm just inquiring about the language.
Also, it does NOT take a religious fanatic to question MAN'S role in climate change. One can question man's role, and still believe in climate change.
And read up on Galileo. He was imprisoned for heresy, not his theory. Not saying that it was justified, but there's a difference. His heliocentric theory wasn't the main cause of his imprisonment.
Yes there are cycles involved but the clear trend is upwards
Nobody said that MAN is the ONLY thing.
Not that I have a problem with taking a closer look at cattle. We should raise fewer cows, though, not eat more. Cattle are not an economical food crop. I like burgers and steaks, but I have cut way back on my consumption because they aren't a good deal for the environment (or for the wallet). The planet would be much better off if people ate more chicken and fish (or just switched to vegetarianism).
I find it hard to believe you are this stupid.
Oh, someone had a question for you about Native American imagery in sports in the other topic. I'd like to hear you answer on that.
"Galileo was found 'vehemently suspect of heresy,' namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to 'abjure, curse and detest' those opinions."Wikipedia.
Like I said, it was his insults, not his science, that got him imprisoned.
His science WAS an insult to the church.
Also, his science was contrary to even the science of the time, which followed Ptolemy's theories.
Galileo would have been fine if he hadn't insulted the Pope, which left him to the mercy of those who opposed him.
Sure, there were those in the church who wanted to prosecute him for his theory, but they had no power to do so.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc arguments are intellectually dishonest.
Got it. Don't care.
Just having a discussion. Not that serious.
Galileo would not have been left to the mercy of the religious literalists, had he not insulted the Pope. Can we at least agree on that?
Galileo was attacked and silenced by the Church because he taught a scientific theory THAT WAS AT ODDS WITH THE ENTRENCHED BELIEF SYSTEM OF THE FREAKIN' CHURCH.
Doughboy got the analogy ass-backwards. But this shouldn't be surprising to anyone because of just who and what he is. Dreck is just another smug, dishonest anti-science thug who represents the entrenched interests of the oil industry.
Not every scientist of the time believed in the Geocentric theory.
Your comments were irrelevant because Beck's entire analogy was flawed. Ask whatever question you want, but in the context of this particular Beck historical malapropism, it is irrelevant.
Gallileo was asked to write his book presenting both sides of the argument without advocacy. Gallileo couldn't do it, because he be knew what was right.
The Church was only looking for one answer Heliocentrism... it's like when the tobacco companies commission a study, if the scientist don't return the results they want to hear, then the study never gets published.
Science is science and if it the data is offensive that is no reason to dismiss it.
Look at the deniers and the studies they point to... see who funds their studies, see if their studies are peer reviewed.
They aren't, because that's the "science" that's done with an objective in mind.
7 billion - estimated to be almost 11 billion by 2050.
For the first time in recorded history you can sail through the Arctic Circle. The largest iceberg EVER recorded is floating toward Australia.
And man has nothing to do with any of this. Keep on denyin'. We'll fix the planet and make it better for everyone including you.
If only there were scientists who could study this problem for us lay people.
We are a factor to our environment. Growing up in the 70s in southern California, we used to have Smog Alerts every summer (usually when the temp got near 100)
In the 70s, Los Angeles would average 100 Stage One alerts. Today, we have less than 10 a year. What happened? Did the earth change or did we change?
We changed of course... California adopted its own emission standards for cars. If you look at a California fuel pump, the exhaust gets captured.
Now, Smog still exists in southern California, how could it not with such a relatively small area hosting 38 million people. Hundreds of regulation enacted in the 70s made a difference today.
We have an effect on our environment. Within my lifetime I have seen the difference we can make.
My real contention is that it takes a religious nut-job to think that man is not playing a role.
That is because I know plenty of religious people who think we are to be stewards of the earth, and think that the selfishness of men is leading them not to care about the environment.
Gee... didn't see a correction from *ahem* anyone else, who is disagreeing with you and the facts.
Glenn Beck wants the apocalypse to come.
Glenn Beck believes that the president is a racist.
Glenn Beck believes that the president hates white culture.
Glenn Beck believes that universal healthcare is socialist
Glenn Beck believes that universal healthcare is Nazism
Glenn Beck believes that universal healthcare is Fascist
Glenn Beck believes that universal healthcare is Marxism
Glenn Beck believes Holdren wants to force you to have an abortion.
Glenn Beck believes Holdren wants to put sterilizers in the water
Glenn Beck believes his ratings will go up if he whips you into a frenzy over non-issues.
Glenn Beck believes there are millions of uneducated people who would rather listen to him than to actually do a 5 minute search on Google.
Glenn Beck believes the apocalypse is coming.
Glenn Beck believes you should buy Gold to make the apocalypse taste better.
Glenn Beck believes that you didn't know he was a paid spokesman for Goldline.
Glenn Beck believes that MAN does not have a role in climate change.
k1dork, how can you honestly defend this man?
Facts don't matter.
Their minds are made up and can't be changed.
A denier is a world apart from a skeptic.
What an insane interpretation. Galileo's theory WAS the heresy!
It is YOU who have not read up on Galileo.
Denying man's role in affecting climate change is the cornerstone of the deniers' entire case. They deny that pumping billions of tons of greenhouse gases annually into the atmosphere and deforestation on an unprecedented scale is overwhelming the Earth's ecosystems' ability to cope.
The question becomes what did he say or do that was heretical. He wasn't randomly accused of heresy. He was imprisoned for his heliocentric theory. That idea was contrary to religious dogma at the time, and for that he was imprisoned.
"What is a 'climate change denier?'"
It's someone who goes on these blogs to keep asking why no one can ever convince them that AGW is real, even though there's been plenty of posts with urls to good, solid sites.
But, deniers act like they never, ever even read the posts, or are purposely not reading them, because they have absolutely not desire to know anything beyond their own, pre-conceived notions.
Ok, so you deniers say it isn't real. That's your problem.
But not satisfied with their own failure to comprehend reality, deniers waste everyone's time asking questions to which there is absolutely no desire knowing the answer.
I think that pretty much defines a denier.
Thought so. Thanks. :-)
The man's been dead since 1642, so obviously can't speak up for himself, so I will.
Unlike Beck the people of the time new that the earth was Spherical (Got ya there Beck, you thought I was going to Say round).
They obviously did think they were at the centre of the universe much like Beck, but they eventually realised that they were wrong, unlike Beck.
And of course it wasn't scientists rejecting his claim.
He's smart enough to know what sort of BS gets ratings.
Whether or nor they know it though, it does not change that what they are saying, whether lies, opinions or just flat out bull -- Needs to be countered, they are talk show personalities and nothing more but a huge chunk of America looks to them for... Science? I don't understand.
Boy was that history lesson taught wrong!
BIG OOPS!
Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice.
Scientists always debate. The whole key to this global warming debate is to let the world know that Man is contributing to global warming. The amount of contributing is up in the air, but pollution is happening and that is something everybody should know(Some people don't).
2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history.
3) Warmer periods of the Earth’s history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels.
4) After World War II, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.
5) Throughout the Earth’s history, temperatures have often been warmer than now and CO2 levels have often been higher – more than ten times as high.
6) Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time.
7) The 0.7C increase in the average global temperature over the last hundred years is entirely consistent with well-established, long-term, natural climate trends.
8) The IPCC theory is driven by just 60 scientists and favourable reviewers not the 4,000 usually cited.
9) Leaked e-mails from British climate scientists – in a scandal known as “Climate-gate” - suggest that that has been manipulated to exaggerate global warming
10) A large body of scientific research suggests that the sun is responsible for the greater share of climate change during the past hundred years.
11) Politicians and activiists claim rising sea levels are a direct cause of global warming but sea levels rates have been increasing steadily since the last ice age 10,000 ago
12) Philip Stott, Emeritus Professor of Biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London says climate change is too complicated to be caused by just one factor, whether CO2 or clouds
13) Peter Lilley MP said last month that “fewer people in Britain than in any other country believe in the importance of global warming. That is despite the fact that our Government and our political class—predominantly—are more committed to it than their counterparts in any other country in the world”.
14) In pursuit of the global warming rhetoric, wind farms will do very little to nothing to reduce CO2 emissions
15) Professor Plimer, Professor of Geology and Earth Sciences at the University of Adelaide, stated that the idea of taking a single trace gas in the atmosphere, accusing it and finding it guilty of total responsibility for climate change, is an “absurdity”
16) I doubt this will actually get posted because there is truth here