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Beck compares health insurance regulation to football helmets, which he claims cause reckless behavior and concussions

December 15, 2009 6:03 pm ET

From the December 15 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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    • Author by soze169880 (December 15, 2009 6:05 pm ET)
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      This guy is actively making himself impossible to mock.
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      • Author by achrispage6992 (December 16, 2009 8:22 am ET)
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        I agree. I shudder when I think of the mindless goons who, ripe with anticipation, tune in and watch this guy as if each show is the Seinfeld finale. I'm willing to bet that once the majority of his "well read" audience heard this most recent analogy, there was a chorus of ooooh's and aaaah's, as they marveled at his folksy intellect.

        He reaches a group of people who are either afraid or unable to think for themselves. That's his niche. He has found his market share and does quite well actually. He knows the folks who support him would rather die than objectively research any issue. They firmly believe that he has already done objective research and his conclusion is rock solid. So, they wander around in a self rightous daze believing that they are well informed people because their "master" has already done the ground work and felt it necessary to inform them. They are thankful that Glen Beck has saved them time. they don't have to inform themselves, they have Glen for that!
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      • Author by MickD (December 16, 2009 8:23 am ET)
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        The sarcasm engine has stalled in sheer reverence of his blatant idiocy.
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    • Author by seahawks123 (December 15, 2009 6:13 pm ET)
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      He's wrong. There goes Beck again. We need more government protecting us from cradle to the grave regardless of our behavior.
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (December 15, 2009 7:35 pm ET)
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        Well, the Seahawks could use help from somewhere in protecting Hasslebeck.
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        • Author by snoopy (December 15, 2009 8:32 pm ET)
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          Ouch!
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (December 15, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
               
            The Texans! Can you believe that? 5-8, including 0 for Texas and just a few years removed from a Super Bowl trip.
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            • Author by snoopy (December 15, 2009 8:54 pm ET)
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              I'm still trying to grasp the idea that the Colts and the Saints have shots at 16-0 seasons!
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              • Author by oscar the grouch (December 15, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
                   
                I think it would be great to see them both in the Super Bowl at 19-0. That would top the Fiesta Bowl matchup (in which I think the BSC did the right thing), although if I were betting the money would be on TCU (the Fiesta Bowl turf is not blue for one thing and TCU has some unbelievable team speed for a College team.)
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            • Author by MickD (December 16, 2009 8:24 am ET)
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              I lament my Bears, still waiting for the Luckman replacement.
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    • Author by nerzog (December 15, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
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      Okay... let's follow Glenda's "logic" here.

      Safety equipment, (translation: regulations) cause recklessness.
      Therefore, we would be better off without safety equipment (regulations).

      If that principle holds true, would we not be a more "moral" society without religion?

      Makes sense to me.
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      • Author by fantagor (December 16, 2009 1:17 am ET)
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        Makes sense to me, too. About 80% of the US population is Christian. That matches the percentage of people in prison who claim to be Christian. About 6-13% of the US population will say they are atheists, depending on how you word the question. But only 0.2% of the prison population calls themselves atheist or nonreligious. Sounds to me like less religion = higher moral values, as atheists aren't just being good to show thanks for Jesus dying for our sins, they are being good because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO and not a quid pro quo for eternal bliss. If you doubt my analysis, believers, I'll be more than happy to quote directly from the pamphlet left under my windshield last Wednesday.

        Randy
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    • Author by nerzog (December 15, 2009 6:15 pm ET)
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      Oh, one more thing. Did they have fewer concussions in football before they started wearing helmets?
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (December 15, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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        Well, if we follow The Rodeo Clown's logic, life expectency should be going down as more of the population gains access to health insurance, due to an increase in reckless behavior.

        of course, just the opposite is happening, life expectancy has been increasing.

        Ride 'em Cowboy!!
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      • Author by edgewaterprog (December 15, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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        No....actually they would have several deaths a year in college football.

        So Beck is advocating a pure capitalist system for distributing health care.

        No-one between you and your insurance company. No one...not your employer or group provider....not the government....no laws...no regulations. Just pure unadulterated capitalism... What a dystopic vision that is.
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      • Author by snoopy (December 15, 2009 8:33 pm ET)
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        Birth control obviously does nothing to prevent idiots from being born ergo we should get rid of birth control... ;)
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (December 15, 2009 9:41 pm ET)
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        Never suffered a concussion in HS playing football, but we had progressed to leather helmets by the time I played.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (December 15, 2009 6:17 pm ET)
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      hahahahaha you are so funny
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    • Author by fishgirl26 (December 15, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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      Where's the chalkboard?? I need one to figure out how he came up with insurance regulation as bad and football helmets are bad?? Both protect the consumer from bad things happening but hey, if Glenn gets a concussion and it's because he's not wearing a helmet that's just dumb. It's also dumb to think that if we had no insurance regulation that the industry would "police" themselves. Didn't we try that already with the financial industry and we ended up going into a depression (I know most don't like the D word but that's what it truly was)? The insurance industry NEEDS regulation. I know, I work in the industry and I would say that rates would be 10 times higher if they could get away with it!
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    • Author by PurpleState (December 15, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
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      Apples to oranges.

      1. Rugby is not played in the same manner that American football is played.
      2. Just because one plays rugby, that does not mean that the injuries are not there. There are still concussions in rugby.
      3. Asked before, but...if you removed all of the pads and played American football without protection, how many injuries do you think there would be?

      Is Beck indicating that we not have any health care at all?
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      • Author by thundavolt (December 15, 2009 6:53 pm ET)
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        I've seen a 14 year old get a horrible injury from Rugby and it's not the same as Australian rules. That kid ended up with mental and physical injuries. They tried to keep him in school but he was better off in a more special facility. He looked like he had suffered a major stroke and walking around the school with other kids running around was life threatening danger for him. He should also find out about injuries in Australian rules football and Rugby before making such useless analogies. All contact sports at a professional level are high risk which is why players are insured should they not insure the players in order to reduce injury?
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    • Author by pete592 (December 15, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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      Just when I think this moron couldn't be any more stupid, he outdoes himself again.

      Becky is comparing two very different sports with different tactics and styles of play. Rugby players don't experience fewer head injuries because they "play smarter," it's because their game is different.

      Concussions typically happen to quarterbacks when they are standing relatively still and are suddenly and brutally hit by a defensive back making a tackle. THIS DOES NOT OCCUR IN RUGBY. Helmet or not, when the human head goes from 0 to 60 in a fraction of a second by blunt force, a concussion is likely because not even a helmet can keep the brain from bouncing around inside the skull.

      And it may be news to Becky, but rugby players can and do wear helmets to, among other things, keep their skulls from getting pierced by shoe cleats.
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      • Author by thundavolt (December 15, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
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        That's a good point about the scrum caps. He is actually putting himself in a corner with this argument because it is the rules and regulations that make the games different. As far as I know Glenda doesn't like regulations that help you live a healthier life. When he has to weigh the common sense against is views he might find that the only option he has is to not take part in the game of life. I'm not trying to imply anything but it just shows that all the ideas are just a cover up for Christian extremism.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (December 15, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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      Beck compares health insurance regulation to football helmets, which he claims cause reckless behavior and concussions

      I think football players that had brain injuries would not appreciate your assumption Becky.
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    • Author by WoodstockNation1969 (December 15, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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      Australian Rule Football is indeed a rugged game, no helments or pads a Mans Game. In A.R.Football it is not the goal to hurt the other team members. In the Game of American Football to often the Goal is to cause Harm on the way to Scoring 6 points. Thoose the need for protection that are not enough.
      Go Beck,rah rah rah for again knowing Facts!
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      • Author by worrierking (December 15, 2009 8:04 pm ET)
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        Is that the standard for determining whether someone is a man, not wearing pads?

        That's a pretty sad statement.
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        • Author by nerzog (December 16, 2009 8:48 am ET)
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          You'd be surprised how many people have that mindset. My daughter used to play fastpitch softball, and I occasionally visited an online forum dedicated to the sport. Every time a new piece of safety equipment was proposed, there would be numerous dads on the forum complaining that the game was being "sissyfied".
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          • Author by WoodstockNation1969 (December 16, 2009 10:09 am ET)
               
            Thank You .. in backing up my point
            Big Goverment is the Helmet that protects me when I am wreckless.
            Big Goverment is the Helmet that protects me when I am not wreckless, need help and protection.
            Big Goverment is the Helment of Health Care that protects me when I am wreckless or not, and can not afford Insurance to get Well.
            Big Goverment is the Helmet that protects me when I am weak, old, brown , yellow, red or female.
            Big Goverment is the Helmet that protects me in the Name of the Consitution. The Consitution is a Living Document. WE THE PEOPLE breathe Life into it.
            To the Beckster- in the Bill of Rights only the 1st 10 Amendments were penned by the Founding Fathers-- Should We then repel Admendments 11 thru 27?. Seeing how you Mr.Beck wish to return to 1776 America.
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          • Author by John Paradox (December 16, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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            I'm sure that historically, there were those who insisted on having BOTH gladiators armed was 'sissyfied'.
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    • Author by sdlnkicker4551 (December 15, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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      Glenda: I heard you blabber about this on the radio, and just like on the radio, you make yourself sound like a fool when you make these silly arguments. It's hard to believe that anyone with an 8th grade education could take you seriously. If you"re any indication of how America thinks, we"re in bigger trouble than I thought.
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    • Author by raddave43 (December 15, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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      Maybe Beck played too much football without a helmet.
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    • Author by venturieffect (December 15, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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      I guess we'd better scrap all our health care, all our police and fire departments, since they're really doing more harm than good. IF only we were free of those burdens, we could happily stay in our homes, never venturing out into the world, never sharing our germs, and certainly not lighting any matches. Oh what a blissful, peace that would be.

      Damn those public safety programs for making us so reckless!
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      • Author by skiploader1111 (December 16, 2009 1:32 am ET)
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        And don't forget those Maoist seatbelts Adolf Obama makes everyone wear. Wouldn't roads and highways be much safer if the government would just get out of the way. Seatbelts lead to very risky behavior such as traveling over 20 miles per hour.
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (December 15, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck is absolutely right! When I owned my first car, a 1964 Volksgwagen Beetle, it had no seat belts, and I drove very, very carefully.

      My second car was a 1974 Super Beetle. It had seat belts, and I started driving much faster, especially in the rain.

      Now I drive a car with a modern restraint system AND air bags- so I drive 90 MPH through blizzards, and never use my headlights no matter how dark it is. I drove MUCH more safely when my car didn't have seat belts.

      I hope to own a Hummer soon, so I can start driving blindfolded with impunity.

      <sarcasm off.>
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (December 15, 2009 7:37 pm ET)
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        I think I met you on the way to work this morning on the ice. No headlights, faster than conditions allow. Yep, must have been you.
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (December 15, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
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          Was I texting on one phone and talking to someone on the other while changing radio channels and programming my GPS? If so, yes, that was me.

          You DID get the <sarcasm off> line, didn't you?
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (December 16, 2009 12:10 am ET)
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            OF COURSE..... It's just that the morning commute (normally about 7 minutes) turned into about 25 minutes because of sleet on top of 1" of snow and there were those out and about as I described above. Guess I should have realized that some take things personal that were not meant that way (that is unless you were really one of the fools in my area this am ;>) ).
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          • Author by nerzog (December 16, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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            What, no breakfast burrito?
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            • Author by John Paradox (December 16, 2009 11:43 am ET)
                 
              Drat, drat, drat, drat... I had a cartoon (Real Life Adventures, IIRC) that showed simply the top of a car from aerial view, with a word balloon. Paraphrasing: sorry, some idiot cut me off, which made me spill my coffee. Let me get the map out of the back seat and look that up.... (not pre-GPS, but a physical map IS more distracting.

              It's back at the job I got 'dubya'd' from a year ago.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 16, 2009 8:48 am ET)
           
        I hope to own a Hummer soon, so I can start driving blindfolded with impunity.
        I want to become an airline pilot so I can sleep and work on my laptop and miss the airport by 150 miles.
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    • Author by ProgLib (December 15, 2009 7:20 pm ET)
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      this fool's logic is becoming harder and harder to understand. sometimes you just laugh at what he says or notice that he doesnt know what hes talking about, but in this case, the connection just makes no damn sense.

      he thinks if we all get healthcare, we will be more reckless. using the logic he has left... if our lives are insured, we are more likely to drive off of a cliff just to see what happens? wouldnt it be better to have insurance so just incase we do get reckless, we have something that insures us? i guess hes expecting us to not have insurance, period. just drive around in our cars and go through life without something to insure our lives. yeah, great idea, glenn. whats next? playing hockey without a stick?
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    • Author by leftofwhat (December 15, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
         
      Heck of a plan Gwenn.Oh,once again,what was your plan?That's right,rush headlong with insurance giants toward the goal of unlimited control of corporate giants.You are right soze,this guy needs spit cups at both lower ends of his mouth.Then he will become level headed.
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    • Author by thundavolt (December 15, 2009 8:07 pm ET)
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      Please excuse me for making this a race issue. The statement he is trying to make he is poor people of color or just poor people in general are better off being very careful and not having to be insured. If they have a safety net when it comes to health they might get reckless and start thinking they have a chance to have an ambitious life. Mean while rich insured people can go around endangering poor people and everyone else because they have earned the right through their money.

      It just makes no sense at all. What are you supossed t do if you have a condition from birth hat will affect you in later life. I guess someone with lupus or the potential of having lupus should just be careful their whole life. Imagine the burden of a potential disease and the potential cost.

      Be cautious = be afraid when it come to Beck.
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (December 15, 2009 8:54 pm ET)
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        Some jerkwad called CSPAN's Washington Journal this morning to regale us with the story of how he was a self-employed businessman, how he'd raised four kids, how he'd patched up their scraped knees and bandaged them and when they had broken bones, he took them to the doctor and paid for all of it himself, and gosh darn it why can't we all be like him, we are such whiners....

        Of course, the "Thank you Caller" host didn't ask him what he would have done if one of his kids had arthritis, or diabetes, or had been with epilepsy or any number of infirmities- I guess this moron would have just wrapped a piece of cloth around the "problem area."
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        • Author by skiploader1111 (December 16, 2009 1:42 am ET)
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          Here's a cool video of a conservative caller calling Sam Seder complaining that he makes $250,000 and that he may have to pay for somebody else's health care other people recklessness. Sam Seder totally takes this clown to town.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU8OQFQZC-8
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    • Author by Publius39 (December 15, 2009 8:51 pm ET)
         
      Does he understand that the reason why we were in the mess that we were in is because the government stayed out of the financial sector until it screwed up so badly that it had to be saved?
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    • Author by saintsAFL (December 15, 2009 8:53 pm ET)
         
      I am an Australian. A few points:
      As others have pointed out Aust Rules Football is not rugby... it's nothing like rugby!
      In both Aust Rules Football and Rugby there are multiple concussions per week and in Rugby specifically neck injuries are very common.
      But there are rules about head high contact (Glenn might recognise these Gov't style regulations!) and injuries are declining both at professional and amateur levels. Albeit head injuries still occur at least as often as they would in the NFL.
      So protective gear or rules?... take your pick, you're still a chance of getting hurt.
      On a separate point. Australia has a mixed public/private health system. We have Gov't funded/subsidised primary care along with incentives to take out private insurance for allied health care and to fast track access to elective procedures. The system works well! It is not bankrupting our country, all Aust have access to necessary primary care at a relatively low cost and we have a vibrant private sector.
      Glenn's scare campaign is ill-informed and childish.
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    • Author by island (December 15, 2009 10:08 pm ET)
         
      I'm confused. I thought America was supposed to be all about taking risks.
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    • Author by caels (December 15, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
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      So, is Beck going to get quit his health insurance plan so he can trim down a bit?
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    • Author by tylerch (December 16, 2009 1:02 am ET)
         
      I cannot believe this guy.
      How can people believe anything that this idiot is saying?
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    • Author by fantagor (December 16, 2009 1:21 am ET)
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      False analogy. Football is an ASSUMPTION of risk. Nobody is forcing you to play football. But EVERYONE will need healthcare at sometime in our lives.

      So take your worthless sports analogy and stuff it straight up your girl friend's wild cat. That's a type of new offensive alignment in the NFL. Glenn knows all about the NFL, but nothing about healthcare, as we can all plainly see.

      Randy
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      • Author by TykeMan (December 16, 2009 9:41 am ET)
           
        Well, to use his analogy. Perhaps what he hasn't thought of is that rugby is generally played in countries that have universal healthcare so if they get injured they gwill get treatment and not have to pay a big bill. In the US they'll get hit with a bill so they wear more protection to prevent getting injured!
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        • Author by fantagor (December 16, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
             
          But NFL and college football players HAVE healthcare through the team doctors, which all more underscores how bankrupt Beck's analogy is.

          Randy
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    • Author by piniella (December 16, 2009 6:41 am ET)
         
      Beck is echoing von Mises.
      http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2009/10/twisted-conservative-mind-circa-1932.html
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 16, 2009 8:52 am ET)
           
        Old Ludwig von M. was wrong, too.
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      • Author by nerzog (December 16, 2009 8:54 am ET)
           
        Thanks for that link. I thought maybe Glenda was just making this stuff up. Seems that his particular form of Troglodytism is nothing new.
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    • Author by christopher howard (December 16, 2009 7:25 am ET)
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      We need to get rid of safety belts and airbags too. They just encourage reckless driving.
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      • Author by John Paradox (December 16, 2009 11:46 am ET)
           
        and what about auto insurance? If I know that my running down some hapless pedestrian will be covered by liability, why shouldn't I gun it through a school zone?
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    • Author by WildcatProgressive (December 16, 2009 8:58 am ET)
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      Why do I have a mental image of Glenn sitting around his office, thinking, "Okay, how far can I go and keep these lemmings nodding vacantly and agreeing with me? Hmmmm ... football helmets are bad. If I can get these morons to agree with THAT, I need to seriously think about running for office, 'cause there is NOTHING these morons won't buy."
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      • Author by nerzog (December 16, 2009 9:18 am ET)
           
        I think you may be on to something. Rush demonstrates the stupidity of his audience on a daily basis, and it appears to be done deliberately.

        I guess it's like a game for these overpaid liars; to see how far they can push the envelope without their acolytes catching on.
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    • Author by tman418 (December 16, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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      To let insurance companies do what they want is reckless behavior.

      So, football players shouldn't wear helmets?
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