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Scarborough on Hume's Christianity comment: "Amen"

January 05, 2010 9:05 am ET

From the January 5 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:

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Conservatives defend, endorse Hume's suggestion that Tiger Woods convert to Christianity to "make a total recovery"

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    • Author by nerzog (January 05, 2010 9:11 am ET)
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      Troglodytes complain about "Liberal PC", but we'll see the opposite unfolding in this little dustup. Most Americans are still too superstitious to tolerate any vocal opposition to the on-air promotion of Jeeeeezzzzzzuuuuussssssss.

      Very few Liberals will have the balls to criticize Hume for his ham-handed comment.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (January 05, 2010 9:20 am ET)
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        nerzog, which version of Christianity should Woods accept?
        I think Mr. Hume should been asked to describe which sect of Christianity would be best for Mr. Woods.
        And why should Mr. Woods have to bow at the altar of any religion if he is sincere in his asking for forgiveness?

        Maybe Mr. Hume will ask Tiger to join his Christian Church and they can worship together. I'll bet that pastor would be thrilled to open the offering envelope from Tiger.

        You are right Nerzog, too Prostituting Christianity (PC) for me.

        P.S. I suggest that Mr. Woods joins my church (Catholic) and we could get rid of these darn bingos
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 9:48 am ET)
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          Tiger could join Sarah Palin's church and learn how to cast out demons...a useful skill, I am sure, in case the golf thing no longer works for him.
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          • Author by neon desert (January 05, 2010 11:01 am ET)
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            Does Palin's church allow blacks?

            The Catholic thing is intriguing. The idea of forgiveness by way of the "Hail Marys" and "Our Fathers" method of penance is attractive, however the birth control policy tosses a wrench into that machine.

            I was thinking Hinduism might be a good fit. Basically, the forgiveness thing wouldn't even be in play, all he'd have to deal with is Karma - no big deal, and politically unassailable.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 05, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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              I don't know about Palin's churches admission policies,Neon, but the new photos of Tiger looking less harmless might change a lot of Real Americans' opinion of that nice black man.

              OT, but your Remedial Matters program was sorely needed the other day on an amazing thread involving Floyd and the Madrassa.
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              • Author by neon desert (January 05, 2010 3:16 pm ET)
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                Sometimes, a guy just needs to recognize when reason is overmatched by fanaticism, and take a pass. Frankly, I thought everyone very nicely applied the concepts of Remedial Matters to help Floyd to a position of sanity, even if the result was ultimately defeat.

                And you're right - Tiger in an Izod is a much less threatening animal than Tiger in a sweat shirt and sneakers.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 05, 2010 4:23 pm ET)
                     
                  Oh, so you saw that thread. Another fascinating look at the human brain on right wing setting.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 9:14 am ET)
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      Does Joe Scarborough understand that, for a number of reasons, a news/political commentary show is not the appropriate place to push one's religion?

      People like Scarborough and Hume seem to relish being called out for things like this because they can act the bogus part of the persecuted Christian.

      It's not that people who react negatively to this are anti-Christianity...it's that a news/political commentary show is the absolute wrong place to push religion. How basic is that? How difficult is it to grasp that caoncept?
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      • Author by goesto11 (January 05, 2010 9:26 am ET)
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        Conservatives do grasp that concept, but they reject it. Their politics and their religion are intertwined.

        GW Bush is the perfect example. He referred to the war on terror as a "crusade" and often talked about how his foreign policy actions were God's will.


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    • Author by goesto11 (January 05, 2010 9:23 am ET)
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      What Joe said: "There's nothing ridiculous about somebody in trouble turning to faith."

      What Joe meant: "There's nothing ridiculous about somebody in trouble turning to MY faith."

      This is the mentality that has gotten us into such a mess in the Middle East in recent decades.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 9:30 am ET)
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      At the end of the day their argument/belief is based on the notion that America was founded as a Christian nation. In effect, Christianity rules... Had Hume mentioned any other religion there would have been a Christian backlash.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 05, 2010 9:55 am ET)
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        I know! Can you imagine how these same people's heads would explode if it was suggested that he covert to ISLAM in order to make "a full recovery"?!

        And besides....

        The list of fornicators, closeted homosexuals, adulterers, rapists, and pedophiles is so extensive within all of the numerous branches of American Christianity that I'll never understand why ANYONE thinks that turning to a church in this day and age would help ANYONE sort out their moral dilemas.

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        Just sayin'.
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        • Author by tbone (January 05, 2010 10:30 am ET)
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          The list of fornicators, closeted homosexuals, adulterers, rapists, and pedophiles is so extensive. . .

          As it is outside the church.

          As a societal construct, legal behavior is paramount; "moral" not so much. If you you're worried about your (nonexistent) soul, then line up with whatever faith you choose.
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        • Author by nerzog (January 05, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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          these same people's heads would explode if it was suggested that he covert to ISLAM in order to make "a full recovery"?!


          Exactly. If the situation were reversed, and a commentator suggested Tiger abandon the Christian faith, the FOXbots would whine about a "War on Christianity".
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 05, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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      I agree that during times of crisis, many people find comfort in religion. However, Hume's point was that Christianity was better for Tiger than Buddhism. There I disagree. If someone already believes, they might turn to their faith for strength, or they might turn their backs on their faith because it let them down. Some people might turn to religion even if they have never believed, but this should be up to them. A commentator has no business trying to sell someone their own religion. This is still supposed to be about the news and current events, it isn't religious programing. Britt Hume was wrong, and so was Joe. Joe was even more obnoxious about it than Hume, and that is just plain wrong, and it made Mika and Mort very uncomfortable.
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      • Author by DellDolly (January 05, 2010 2:42 pm ET)
           
        It's the ridiculous suggestion that the only way to be "moral" is to have religion, and the Christian religion at that, in one's life.
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    • Author by wzwriter (January 05, 2010 9:46 am ET)
         
      Scarborough on Hume's Christianity comment: "Amen"


      Wzwriter on Scarborough's reply to Hume's Christianity comment: "Go to h3ll."
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    • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 9:57 am ET)
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      So Joe refuses to criticize his pal Brit. What was it Reagan said? "Thou shall not speak ill of another Republican"? Sometimes it seems St. Ronnie is the false god who rules over all right-wing mortals.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (January 05, 2010 10:01 am ET)
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      Tiger Woods is a very would be a very desirable convert for many churches: He is RICH! I hear that Saddleback church needs about a million dollars. Pastor Warren needs it to fund the soup kitchen (i.e. his mansion), clothe the poor (starting with his suits), and the youth group needs a new bus to go to revivals (they won't all fit in his luxury car).
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    • Author by edgewaterprog (January 05, 2010 10:06 am ET)
         
      Why will the story of Tiger Woods personal life not die?

      The media is really scraping the bottom of the barrel on this "dustup".

      I feel bad for Woods, his wife, and his children for what has happened and for the fact that there seems to be sense of common decency. Political commentators pushing their religion onto Woods in a public forum are not doing anything for him and are not acting in a Christian way.

      If Scarborough or Hume are concerned about the state of Tiger Woods eternal soul, shouldn't they instead find a way to express this privately instead of calling him out in public in this manner?
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    • Author by edgewaterprog (January 05, 2010 10:09 am ET)
         
      When I heard Mr Scarborough on this clip threaten to sing, "Holy, holy, holy", I was reminded of Jesus' command that praying should not be done in public (Matthew 6:5):

      And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
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    • Author by OldCon (January 05, 2010 10:18 am ET)
         
      I never saw Brit's comments but when I saw some sound bites about it I did think it was a strange venue for his message.

      To NGEddy, yes, all religions are full of sinners. None of us are perfect. We all sin. We all have free will and moral decisions are a constant battle.

      This is one of the more civil threads I've seen on this web site. Good to see discussion without the usual name calling.

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    • Author by mikelartist (January 05, 2010 11:05 am ET)
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      Did little BRITtany use this GET OUT OF TROUBLE WITH THE WIFE card when he got caught cheating on his FIRST WIFE?

      Religion is for the weak and aimless.
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    • Author by Lizinbklyn (January 05, 2010 12:00 pm ET)
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      Anyone notice a 'new' Mika??

      Finally standing up to the childish, thin-skinned, partisan stooopity that comes outta the mouth of HERman . .

      WOW, 'bout time!! Wonder who was responsible for bringing Mika outta her googoo eyed trance . .
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    • Author by ttdbr7 (January 05, 2010 12:13 pm ET)
         
      Brit is an obnoxious and opinionated conservative, who often opens his mouth and speaks without engaging his brain. He is part of the Murdoch manifesto, whose objective is to kill or at least maim the Constitution of the United States of America. I tell my gun owner friends, stop worrying about the liberals, they will not take out guns away, because they believe in the Constitution. Conservatives, on the other hand, view the Constitution as an impedement to be ignored at every opportunity. Case in point Fox news, a joke as an unbiased news network, Dick Cheney, draft dodger, and anarchist and Rush, another draft dodger, who each and every day finds an new way to circumvent our Constitution, in word and deed. God help us!
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    • Author by donwelty (January 05, 2010 1:07 pm ET)
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      It looks like Joe likes what Hume said. How intolerant.

      However,

      it appears that his cohost does not agree. Way to go.
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    • Author by Jim Rockford (January 05, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
         
      Lots of times Joe appears to try to act bipartisan, but some days he is nothing but a snivelling little wingnut. He supports FOX news relentlessly, even though the facts against them are so clear.

      He distorts what Brit Hume says as simply advocating the benefits of religion to help heal. But that's not what Hume was doing. Hume was saying basically "my religion is better than yours" -- the trademark of the intolerant fundamentalist right, like those who want to eastablish a national religion.
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    • Author by temphandle tearfully55timetable (January 05, 2010 1:27 pm ET)
         
      John Stewarts response to this on last nites show was spot on!
      At the risk of sounding catty, but didn't Mr. Scraborough step out on his wife?
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    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 1:56 pm ET)
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      I think Tiger should convert to Christianity at Rev. Wright's church. There he we learn that all of his persecution is due to the racism of whites, who created AIDS to kill black folks.
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      • Author by goesto11 (January 05, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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        Hmmm. I always thought us whites created crack to kill black folks.

        It gets confusing.
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      • Author by magnolialover (January 05, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
           
        Although, that is something that was never preached at Obama's church. Rev. Wright made a 1 second reference to it in a sermon once, but that was pretty much it. Then again, you know that, and refuse to believe it.

        And, a lot of persecution of black people in this country was, and still is, because of racism. Take for example when Rev. Wright served his country as a United States Marine. He was in a segregated unit.
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    • Author by eekeller (January 05, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
         
      Cowards hide behind religion, and Joe Scarborough is, and has always been, a coward.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (January 05, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
         
      Scarborough on Hume's Christianity comment: "Amen"

      Boxer1979 on Scarborugh Amen commnent to Hume's Christianity comment:

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