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Beck sub Gray: "At what point do you accept responsibility and say...the stimulus thing didn't work"

January 08, 2010 11:01 am ET

From the January 8 edition of The Glenn Beck Program:

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Previously: Quick Fact: Rove baselessly claims stimulus package "impeded" the economic recovery

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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (January 08, 2010 11:08 am ET)
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      Hey Pat, at what point will you consider yourself a right wing blowhard?
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    • Author by proudconservative (January 08, 2010 11:08 am ET)
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      Evidently it isn't when you've lost another 85,000 jobs and unemployment remains above 10%!

      Speaking truth to/about progressives with a shout out to all the leaders of the democrat party apparatus to remind them that 2010 is another year that you don't have pay taxes!
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      • Author by Max Credits (January 08, 2010 11:13 am ET)
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        Is it at all possible that the stimulus helped in some way to stop the free fall? Does that exist as a possibility, or it the notion completely out of the question?
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        • Author by Max Credits (January 08, 2010 11:37 am ET)
             
          ...it's a pretty simple question....
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          • Author by bintx (January 08, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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            He's scouring freerepublic or another similar site for an appropriate talking point, Victor.
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          • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (January 08, 2010 4:50 pm ET)
               
            Don't worry proudconservitive won't answer that question until he checks with Limbaugh on the proper talking point.

            He also won't address that under the Bush administration the total job growth didn't even keep up with the population growth and average incomes fell at the same time.
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        • Author by magnolialover (January 08, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
             
          Nah, it is all or nothing for PC. Black, and white. That's it. The stimulus didn't work, because we still have unemployment, and still losing some jobs. Which, of course, if PC and other right wingers had paid attention, people within the Obama administration SAID that this was going to continue, because recovery doesn't take a month or so to turn around a completely busted down and broken economic system, and the deep recession were were/are in, doesn't turn around overnight.

          And by overnight, I mean, in terms of maybe 2-3 years.

          I couldn't possibly imagine what our country would be like if McCain/Palin had won. We'd be a heck of a lot more worse off I would hazard a guess, since neither of them thought the economy was going bad during the campaign season.
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      • Author by bintx (January 08, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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        There you are again, phonyconservative, posting false talking points. The unemployment rate, which began its upward rise in December 2007 [who was president then?] has begun to decline AND the lost jobs have also been declining slowly but surely since they peaked just prior to Mr. Obama taking office last January [again, who was president then?]. Try keeping up with real news . . . the crap you're getting from freerepublic and the like isn't true.

        Oh and you just gave one of your stupid and inane "shout-outs" to an entity which does not exist.

        Keep on being your ignorant, phonyconservative self . . . makes me laugh! LOL!
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 08, 2010 11:19 am ET)
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        Hopefully enough of you cons will take advatage of the estate tax suspension this year, decide to die NOW rather than later (when it will cost more.) Our nation's average understanding of macro-economics might just improve slightly as a result.

        85,000 lost jobs and 10% unemployment? So... even though both would have been much higher without all that money being spent, soemhow it hasn't worked. Right...

        Gov't spending EMPLOYS people. These people then CONSUME, which employs OTHER PEOPLE, etc, etc, etc...

        And every economist, of every political and philosphical persuation understands this. It's not the end all and be all, of course, there are many factors to debate, but if you can't grasp the simple fact that SPENDING SUPPORTS MANY PEOPLES INCOMES, you really have no place in the discussion.

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        At what point do conservtaives realize that DOING NOTHING isn't working?
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        • Author by bintx (January 08, 2010 11:41 am ET)
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          Jobs lost December 2008: 577,000
          Jobs lost December 2009: 85,000

          Who was the president in December 2008, phonyconservative? Who was the president in December 2009?

          Jobs lost January 2009: 598,000 . . . Who was the president in January 2009 for all but 11 days, phonyconservative?

          You might want to research those talking points before you post them . . . might make you look less ridiculous.
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      • Author by the Grey Path (January 08, 2010 11:42 am ET)
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        As opposed to 20 percent unemployment and a Dow Jones at 5,000?

        The stimulus is working as predicted. Without the stimulus programs around the world we'd already be in a second great depression.

        What's next? The cold weather shows that there's no climate change even though this extreme weather is exactly what is predicted?
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      • Author by blueline99 (January 08, 2010 12:04 pm ET)
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        Look at the numbers and tell me what you see...

        [http://economy.freedomblogging.com/files/2010/01/dec-09-us-jobs.jpg]

        Either it's coincidence that job losses declined shortly after the stimulus package or it worked. Either way, it's good news for the US... stop hating America.
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      • Author by wzwriter (January 08, 2010 12:08 pm ET)
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        And 2010 is another year in which Nothing-To-Be-Proud-Of Conservative has no functioning brain cells.
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    • Author by shaggles (January 08, 2010 11:08 am ET)
         
      Buy what measure did it not work? It takes time. Obama warned at the very beginning that it would get worse before it got better.
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      • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2010 11:44 am ET)
           
        Shag, I'm willing to wait to see if it will work. I wasn't on board with the idea, but certainly don't want to see it fail.

        But there have already been some allegations that fraud has occurred. Some watchdog group has uncovered info that stimulus money has been listed as being spent in non-existent congressional districts? Could be a clerical error, but I'd like to see this confirmed or denied.

        Anyone else hear about this?
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        • Author by shaggles (January 08, 2010 12:12 pm ET)
             
          I've not heard that. Do you have a link?
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          • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2010 1:08 pm ET)
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            Hey Shag, I'm thinking I heard them talking about this on Morning Joe since it's the only political program on cable that I watch.

            I just got back from lunch, as soon as I get a hot minute I'll go do some searching for a link or two.
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            • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
                 
              Shag, here's two links. One from the watchdog site, the other from the Washington Times. You can find more if you google it. This story doesn't appear to be widely reported by the MSM, which might mean whatever was fishy has been explained...though I can't find anything about that yet. I'll keep looking.

              http://newmexico.watchdog.org/2010/01/03/federal-stimulus-funds-reportedly-spent-in-nonexistent-zip-codes/

              http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/back-story/2009/nov/17/recoverygov-shows-money-flowing-to-nonexistent-di/
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              • Author by magnolialover (January 08, 2010 2:12 pm ET)
                   
                I actually don't doubt that there is going to be some issues with some of the stimulus money, when something that big comes along, there are going to be con people trying to get a piece. This doesn't excuse it, and I would hope that the GAO, or whoever has oversight on such things, would be doing investigations into it.

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              • Author by shaggles (January 08, 2010 6:10 pm ET)
                   
                Thanks. There may be some attempted fraud but as magnolialover says that's almost to be expected in something this size. From the sound of it the errors may be primarily due to the way people filled out their paperwork. Probably not a huge corruption issue but...at the risk of sounding flippant, if we're going to give away billions of dollars can't we at least make sure it goes to people who know how to fill out a form and what state and congressional district they live in? ;)

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    • Author by bintx (January 08, 2010 11:09 am ET)
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      Sorry, but why take responsibility for something that's not true?
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 08, 2010 11:13 am ET)
         
      We're in the worst economic crisis since the Depression, dummy! It has been nearly 30 years in coming, since the Reagan Administration began the fetishistic obsession with de-regulation, tax cuts and deficit spending. If you ask me, it was the Republicans who tried to overwhelm the system, ala Cloward and Piven, not the Democrats.
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      • Author by the Grey Path (January 08, 2010 1:01 pm ET)
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        You're right ... It's the Grover Norquist, Newt Gingrich plan: Bankrupt the government and it grinds to a halt. Why else give massive tax cuts instead of paying off the debt in 2001?

        Anyone remember when Gingrich threatened to shut down the government in 1995 (I think)?
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 08, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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          Actually, he did shut down the government and some non-essential employees were not allowed to come to work. Then Ol'Paul Harvey acccused the Federal employees of being on strike. The government paid $800 million in salary to the furloughed employees.
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      • Author by jeff191 (January 08, 2010 1:04 pm ET)
           
        This makes right wingers furious but the era of deregulation began, slowly, under president Carter, after the big government years of Johnson and Nixon.but then again it was also Carter who did more to defeat the Soviet Unoin than Reagan ever did.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (January 08, 2010 11:16 am ET)
         
      And so the Republican solution is what? Tax cuts? Attack a foreign country? Give me something.
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    • Author by liberalXtian (January 08, 2010 12:01 pm ET)
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      Will you ever admit it when it succeeds?
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    • Author by mjh (January 08, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
         
      Beck sub Gray: "At what point do you accept responsibility and say...the stimulus thing didn't work"


      I dunno, Pat -- why don't you ask the Wall St. firms that got that $700+ billion bailout courtesy of Bubble Boy?

      Um, that WAS stimulus you were talking about -- wasn't it?

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    • Author by magnolialover (January 08, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
         
      Maybe when it doesn't work? Because, actually, it has worked, slightly, and is still working.
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