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Fox & Friends attacks CAIR for opposition to guns with Bible verse inscriptions because Al Qaeda made "it a religious thing"

January 21, 2010 8:37 am ET

From the January 21 broadcast of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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    • Author by soze169880 (January 21, 2010 8:42 am ET)
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      And after all, every single Muslim in the world is an active member of al-Qaeda.
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    • Author by mvadesigns (January 21, 2010 8:45 am ET)
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      "Some people worry that may go away"

      I seriously hate the phrase "some people say ... " or "some people worry"

      No ... you think that, not anyone else Gretchen
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    • Author by bintx (January 21, 2010 8:46 am ET)
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      So, I guess, by their logic, everybody should be allowed to protest at the funerals of military people killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan because Fred Phelps made it a "religious thing." Just as Fred Phelps does not represent the overwhelming majority of Christians, al Qaeda does NOT represent the overwhelming majority of Muslims.

      Having said that, I don't get this whole story. I find a company putting scriptural references on a weapon of death to be a bit obscene; however, I would almost guarantee you that most of the military folks who HAVE this particular gun had no idea what the numbers meant nor do they care. Another "BREAKING NEWS" bit of idiocy from Fox designed to get their phony conservative viewers up in arms.

      Stupid story.
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      • Author by snoopy (January 21, 2010 9:25 am ET)
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        I believe the issue is that putting religious references on military equipment violates military policy. I've no doubt that you're right about most people not even knowing it was there or what it meant, but now that we do know it's there continuing to use federal funds to violate seperation of church and state laws will be an issue.
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        • Author by bintx (January 21, 2010 9:44 am ET)
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          Oh, I know, but it's still a stupid story designed to rile up the phony conservative viewers of Fox and to keep 'em watching so that Fox can brag about its superior ratings [without showing how their ratings pale in comparison to real entertainment programing, of course].
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    • Author by AB-001 (January 21, 2010 8:50 am ET)
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      So by this standard, all US military are Christians using these gun sights to promote a national faith, which of course is the F&F version of Christianity in the holy mission to defeat them heathen Mooslims.

      "What do they say before they blow themselves up?" "Allah"

      Nice job, kids. Way to promote all American values.
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      • Author by AB-001 (January 21, 2010 8:53 am ET)
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        Oh, and did anyone see the "fair and balanced" report on F&F the other day about this issue, wherein a "first amendment" attorney made the case why these gun sights don't violate any constitutional protections? They forgot to include any opposing view, so the fair and balanced was fair and balanced to the F&F POV.

        At least that's what some people are saying
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 21, 2010 8:57 am ET)
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      "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof;"

      That is the establishment clause of the First Amendment. There is NO national religion, and for this reason, the use of New Testament verses on a piece of government property might seem to violate the First Amendment. I also find it offensive that Bible verses would be inscribed on weapons of war. And clearly, the response from the company, it is an attempt to force their Christian beliefs onto others. As to the actions of Al Qaeda terrorists shouting "Allah-u Ackbar!" for them it is a religious war, but IT IS NOT supposed to be a religious war on our part. Or do the people at Fox believe that we should kill all the adults and force the children to convert to Christianity?
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      • Author by GreenByNature (January 21, 2010 9:20 am ET)
           
        The company shouldn't be penalized for the inscriptions, free speech let's them put whatever they want on it, but the military should not be purchasing them (and I believe another news outlet stated that our military had canceled our contract with them until such a time when they can guarantee that their scopes won't have these inscriptions).

        The real insult to the Muslim world that F&F didn't mention however, is that these sights are being provided to Afghanistan military personal that we are helping to train. Al Quaeda recruiters will enjoy spinning that: Look how they hand these crusaders put undeniably Christian weapons into the hands of our brothers and force them to fight us!
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      • Author by snoopy (January 21, 2010 9:29 am ET)
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        The First Amendment, isn't that part of some glorious document that we've been told it's liberals who are out to ignore an destroy? Because if that were true, what you're now telling us is that rightwingers are ignoring and attempting to destroy parts of the constitution! Oh my, what a conundrum!
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 21, 2010 9:50 am ET)
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          Yeppers, that would be the one.
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        • Author by Boxer1979 (January 21, 2010 10:13 am ET)
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          Hey remember they say progressives are the ones stomping all over the constitution, but when a private company who's owner was a religious zealot started putting bible scriptures on weapons, and we PROGRESSIVES call them out for a 1st Amendment violation. They call us kooks!

          *FACEPALM*
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    • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 21, 2010 9:13 am ET)
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      Somehow I do not think Jesus would approve of having his words on a device to kill his children! Did not Christ, call out the religious leaders for their hypocrisy? I know that someone who makes gun sites is not a religious leader, I do find it to be close enough. Bottom line...THE BIBLE ON GUNS IS WRONG!
      You Clowns at Fox , "In God we Trust" on US money is not the same, a dollar can not kill!
      Given time, someone might find a way to place bible quotes on bullets, if they do do it already!
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      • Author by epkklk851 (January 21, 2010 9:42 am ET)
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        Yes, there is a huge difference between Bible verses on a gun and "In God we Trust", but I think that putting it on money is offensive, too. But not nearly as offensive as a Bible verse.
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    • Author by carlh (January 21, 2010 9:21 am ET)
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      Blah, plenty of companies use religious marks on their products. What's the fast food restaurant that has John 3:16 or whatever on their drink cups?

      I can see how Muslims, Jews and atheists might be uncomfortable with it. But does it mean it should be changed?
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (January 21, 2010 9:27 am ET)
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        When did the United States Army become a private corporation?

        Do you even know what the Establishment Clause is?
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      • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 21, 2010 9:45 am ET)
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        FAST FOOD KILLS! YOU CHOOSE THAT DEATH!
        ...Yes...
        GUNS KILL , YOU HAVE NO CHOOSE!
        P.S.
        You do know that the Christian God is the same God of those Muslims and Jews!
        Atheists have something better!
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      • Author by bintx (January 21, 2010 9:47 am ET)
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        Your analogy is flawed. There is a difference between private enterprises and the government. Nobody is saying this manufacturing shouldn't put scripture on its guns [no matter HOW offensive and sacrilegious it may be]. It's the fact that the government, in purchasing these guns with Christian religious references on it, is probably in violation of the First Amendment. I'm sure that these guns can be purchased from another source.
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (January 21, 2010 9:26 am ET)
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      I really hate it when people make Bible verses a religious thing.

      <sarcasm off.>
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (January 21, 2010 9:35 am ET)
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        And, anyway, wasn't this country founded as a Christian nation? sarcasm>
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 21, 2010 9:48 am ET)
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      So...what if the United States Military was buying hand grenades from a company that inscribed each one with Allah Akbar"?

      All the saying means is God is great. Would they object because it's a Muslim saying?
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (January 21, 2010 9:50 am ET)
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        And what if they were really good hand grenades...and really cheap? ;>)
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        • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 21, 2010 10:06 am ET)
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          They need to be inscribed with "in Jesus's name "
          Isn't that the Christian Battle Cry?
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 21, 2010 11:32 am ET)
           
        It is not a "Muslim saying" but rather an Arabic saying. Arabic Christians refer to God as "Allah" because it is the Arabic word for God and not the name of the "Muslim God."
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (January 21, 2010 10:09 am ET)
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      Fox & Friends attacks CAIR for opposition to guns with Bible verse inscriptions because Al Qaeda made "it a religious thing"

      You know this would not mean nothing to religious zealots like this three yokels. Especially since they waged war against anybody who said Happy Holidays instead of Christmas before. So of course they would support bible scriptures on weapons. Exteme religious beliefs is a disease no matter what you practice!

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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (January 21, 2010 10:22 am ET)
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        Let me preface this by saying that it's irresponsible, stupid and unconstitutional for the gov to be purchasing guns with biblical references written on them.

        That being said, really CAIR? So, not all Muslims are radicals or terrorists (of course), but if our military is fighting radical insurgent groups (Taliban) and terrorist groups (Al Qaeda), why is it particularly offensive to ALL Muslims that there is an inscription on some of these guns?

        The only way to make sense of this is a double-standard: Not all Muslims are terrorists or anti-American insurgents, but the American Military is fighting against ALL Muslims, not just insurgents and terrorists.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 21, 2010 10:31 am ET)
             
          When I was overseas, I had a colleague who taught school on weekdays, and was a Christian Evangelist and the wife of a Pastor on Sundays. She thought it was very strange that the "Jewish Preacher" wouldn't enter the common, base chapel until the cross had been covered with a curtain. She thought it was "very strange, very strange." Muslims might find the use of these Christianized weapons offensive, whether they are the soldiers using them or the people being killed. My Jewish friends and family feel uncomfortable with Christian articles. Or maybe, the guy from CAIR thinks it is obscene that a weapon would be inscribed with a Bible verse. I know I do.
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        • Author by Ruby (January 21, 2010 10:49 am ET)
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          The point is that the military using guns with secret bible codes on them or whatever furthers the jihadist narrative that the west is at war with Islam. That this is a crusade against Muslims.

          The CAIR guy wasn't talking so much about how it's personally offensive to him, but how it becomes a talking point for terrorists to recruit and radicalize others--they can point to this as evidence that the Christian army (the US) is trying to eradicate the world of muslims.
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    • Author by vhw28672478 (January 21, 2010 10:32 am ET)
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      We not a christian nation
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    • Author by you can call me roy (January 23, 2010 9:24 pm ET)
         
      Corporations are not bound by any laws prohibiting them from putting religous symbols on their products. The United States government is not prohibited from purchasing products displaying religous symbols. The First Amendment states quite clearly that the government cannot make "law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." So what's the problem here? Trijicon is exercising their right to manufacture their product as they see fit, and the United States government is not making law that respects any one religion by purchasing said product. The military was just providing our troops with the best equipment for the job; which according to first-hand feedback from the troops, is working great. Oh! I figured out the problem. We're no longer living in the United States of America! Brian Kilcullen And this extremism is just the tip of the iceberg! “We can now only hope that the United States Congress and The Pentagon will comprehensively investigate how this catastrophe and countless other examples of military religious extremism [such as using the Gregorian
      calendar to track time by Christ’s birth] infiltrates every branch of our honorable armed services” and the entire western civilization! We need to switch to the Muslim calendar at
      once!
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