Beck promises upcoming "documentary" on communist atrocities will show what "progressives don't want you to know"
January 21, 2010 6:01 pm ET
From the January 21 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:
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and manipulation in places. Roger & Me is still a classic in my opinion though.
Plus, I don't Moore cries on camera -- at least not as much. {And if he does, he probably doesn't use Vicks Vapo-Rub} . . .
Let's try the reverse (in bold as well):
Oh yeah? Well what about [insert George Bush], HUH?!" is not an argument. In fact, given how much you hate conservatives, using what they do as justification for what you do is completely nonsensical.
Funny, that seems to fit very nicely.
And as a point-of-fact, sir or ma'am, I am not a "troll." I am a mostly conservative guy who enjoys reading commentary from all sides. I found the initial comment by Publius rather assumptive and out of order for a supposedly open-minded individual.
This "documentary" by Beck is ridiculous. First, there has never been a true communist government. Communism is counter to human nature and can never work. Second, he talks about the Soviets and Russia all the time as if they are one and the same. They are not. The Soviet Union [USSR] no longer exists and has not for many, many years. Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. Third, this man may or may not have a high school diploma . . . that's ALL. He is not an educated man, and about 99% of the crap he shovels is pure BS. He misquotes the Constitution, he misquotes the "founding fathers," [His hero Thomas Paine would NOT be a fan of Beck's]. And, fourth, Beck is doing this crap for RATINGS AND MONEY. That is ALL he cares about . . . he is a zoo radio DJ who got a good gig and he's going to ride it for all it's worth. He's got low information folks like you believing that a) he really cares about this stuff and b) he really knows what he's talking about.
He's not dangerous, but you guys are.
Just cause they call it Communism doesn't mean it is ...
Very true!
It is about time to redefine the -isms!
Not one of the -isms are followed 100% or even 75% of their writting/theory!
Socialism is to do with the government or authorities making all decisions within an economy.
Communism is to do with resources been owned by the public instead of individuals.
Capitalism is to do with the private ownership of resources.
How can capitalism be socialism when they are complete opposites?
Socialism is to do with the government or authorities making all decisions within an economy.
Communism is to do with resources been owned by the public instead of individuals.
Capitalism is to do with the private ownership of resources.
How can capitalism be socialism when they are complete opposites?
Socialism is to do with the government or authorities making all decisions within an economy.
Communism is to do with resources been owned by the public instead of individuals.
Capitalism is to do with the private ownership of resources.
How can capitalism be socialism when they are complete opposites?
Last thing Becky promoted:
That stunk, so I bet this will be full of bull$#it!
LMAO at the corporate puppet!
Beck sold only 17 tickets in Boston, another 17 in New York, and just 30 in Washington, DC.
Shame on the money wasted for that crap.
Then again, Beck could just show his idiots Nazi movies, and explain that it was the National Socialist Party, which would probably work too.
China - Has a picture of Mao in the palace
Germany - Fascist militia groups worship the Nazi movement
Russia - Results of a controversial poll taken in 2006 stated that over thirty-five percent of Russians would vote for Stalin if he were still alive. Plus they have monuments of the man!
Nor can they hold a thought in the minds for more than 5 minutes!
I'll repeat, FL, you need to walk AWAY from the television and get a real life.
I'm looking forward to Beck "speaking fearlessly" about more recent history in future documentaries. I expect some courageous reporting on Gitmo, black sites, right wing mercenaries stealing our money while murdering and running child prostitution rings... oh, did I close my sarcasm tags already?
it is PRESIDENT OBAMA or MR. OBAMA-- he has earned that respect!!
That was my favorite part!! I loved how he implied that most Americans have never heard anything bad about Cuba, China, Russia, Castro or Mao! What school did he go to??
Will be just like these documentary:
1. The Hunt for Big Foot
2. The Secrets of the Bermuda Triangle
3. The Search for Al Copones Gold
I can go on and , the point is all these so called documentarys were an hour of repeated fact and thin facts to boot. Beck , Scream , "YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH", as you open my eyes to YOUR truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJN_uWaVRfo
Others I see need that special touch with ye old zircon encrusted tweezer.
The tweezers come from the same song as the dental floss.
I do miss the rocky mountains. Wonderful scenery in the Puget Sound, but the local geology is booring.
There. The secret's out.
I'll tell you.... NOTHING.
Maybe you'll also talk about atrocities committed by American Conservatives against Black people in the early 20th Century? No? Why not?
LIBERALS = PROGRESSIVES = SOCIALISTS = COMMUNISTS = HITLER => OBAMA WANTS TO KILL YOUR CHILD
YOU'VE JUST BEEN DRINKING THE KOOL-AID, POOR STUPID LIBERAL
WOODROW WILSON STARTED IT ALL
AAAHHHHH
AAAAHHHH
(invest in gold!)
It's true that many Americans don't know very much about what went on in Russia under Stalin or China under Mao, but that's because lots of Americans don't know anything at all about the history of any other part of the world. His conspiracy-mongering is ridiculous. I expect he won't be going into the anti-communist history of American unions or anything like that either.
I will watch , just as others here at MMFA. We will then no longer be here, for we will have died from laughter!
STOP--- DO NOT WATCH BECK--- IT IS A TRAP TO KILL US OFF !!!
At least two of us have already said we'll probably watch it for laughs, moran. Are you trying to top your "liberal white supremacist" comment in some sort of one man Stoopid Derby ? ?
Boy, I missed that. Is there even such a beast?
A Stoopid Derby that is.
The Stoopid Derby ? I figure there must be some kind of contest . I refuse to believe any humans are really as stupid as their comments indicate, and I have to think it's a secret competition they have going on.
FIXED
I'm not sure I have the stomach to watch it.
Also, I'm not a big fantasy fan either. I do like some Sci Fi but; I think Beck's special will be heavy on the Fi and light on the Sci.
Watch it and report on it. I'm sure you'll "learn" more BS to get all manic [or "giddy"] about here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG6taS9R1KM
Progressives help me out here, I do not wish to throw away an hour of my life watching Beck . Just to have Beck tell me of are hideous plans , and have him sells me Gold!
They're not the same. They aren't even close. But Glenn's audience is filled with people who are proud to wallow in their own ignorance. To them ignorance is something to be celebrated and admired.
Nothing real.
And what truth is that? We seem closer to plutocracy than Communism. Good luck when they bring debtor's prison back.
Well the founding fathers were the ones who wanted the separation of church and state, so take that up with them. Most of them were either Atheists or Deists. If we did have a government controlled by religion ie. Theocracy, I don't think you would like it too much. Ask someone in Iran if they like religion in government. Secular nations also have some of the lowest crime rates and highest living standards of all countries as well.
That's what I love about idiots like seahawks, and their complete and desperate reliance on the strawman. You can explain to them that Beck is full of sh*t, but they insist on continuing to argue from that premise.
It just reinforces how impotent the right wing nuts are in trying to argue based on facts.
Liberated is a funny word. Nazis used to say hitler "liberated" germany. Soviets would say lenin "liberated" russia. Some chinese would say mao "liberated" china. I guess it all depends on your perspective. For me, bush sent thousands of young american soldiers into iraq for oil and thousands of americans died in the process. Was the death of thousands of americans worth "liberating" Iraq? Even if you consider the action as such, i dont think many if any americans, would sacrifice thousands of american troops to do it.
EARTH TO SEAHAGS5-11:
KILLING "millions" of Iraqi civilians DOES NOT constitute "liberating" them . . .
And which heroes would that be? Mine personally are the Viet Cong who fought for their country and used their minds to beat a more powerful and more armed invading force.
Does it? You might want to check with countries in Europe about that claim. See, unlike you, I have actually lived and traveled in Europe and many of the countries there have socialist economic polices, but the people still enjoy the same personal freedoms we do and on some issues, more than we do.
Actually we do believe in God OUTSIDE the Government. We, however do not believe that God belongs in government.
Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?
Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
I can't imagine any statement that is more anti-American.
Beck teaches history that NO ONE has ever heard of because the history never actually happened.
OK! Communism doesnt work because it has never actually been practiced as anything but a dictatorship. We all know this! The USSR WAS NOT communist, China was NOT communist - they were totalitarian dictatorships. Very similar to fascism which was also a dictatorship. How many people did bush kill again??
Glen beck is not a reporter, not a journalist, not a newsman, has not background in journalism or history or film making. Why would anyone in the world think that beck of all people would be the one to find out the real history behind anything?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amF5cRjruwk&feature=related
in 200 yrs
America, has stepped a a lot of toes around the world in 200 yrs! America has screwed up a number of countrys around the earth in 200 yrs! Most nations of these nations remain P^ssed of with America to this day !
NOTE: It was not untill we kick sand/spit on the people in Afghanistan,
( when we went in to throw out the Commies, then we Ran out ) a people there have a faith that takes revange! That is why they do not like us. wish to do cause harm to America and will not ever forget!
( when we went in to throw out the Commies, then we Ran out ) a people there have a faith that takes revange! That is why they do not like us. wish to do cause harm to America and will not ever forget!
Actually, all we did was provide support the the Afghan rebels, in their fight against the Soviets. If you want an idea of why people of this region don't like invading armies too much, check out this link.
Maps of War
In support the the Afghan rebels, in their fight against the Soviets. Is what I tryed to say.
We did pull out, leaving the rebels holding the bag.
Our second misstake was not leaving Saudi Arabia.
TRANSLATION: I have a new blackboard.
Got a citation there, Glenn? I've heard several versions of this supposed Marx quote, but I've never encountered one that's accurate. The story usually goes that the full Marx line is this:
Awareness of this supposed quote originated, apparently, with a film called "The Soviet Story." The film, strangely, offers two sources for this quote: Marx People’s Paper, April 16, 1856, and Journal of the History of Ideas, 1981.
The first source is available here. Shockingly, there's no mention of races, holocausts, burning, perishing, or anything even close.
As for the second supposed source, there is a piece called In the Interests of Civilization": Marxist Views of Race and Culture in the Nineteenth Century by Diane Paul in the Journal of the History of Ideas (Vol. 42, No. 1 [Jan. - Mar., 1981], pp. 115-138), and in it there appears this quote:
Pretty damning. Except that the author attributes this to Friedrich Engels, not Karl Marx, in a piece called "Der Magyarische Kampf" (The Magyar Fight or the Magyar Struggle) in the Neue Rheinische Zeitung newspaper published January 13, 1849... which you can find reprinted here. Sure enough, a similar quote appears:
If anybody wants to produce the original German text, by all means, I'd love to see it. But even if "world storm" was a translation from "holocaust", that's still a long way from the supposed quote about "classes and races being too weak to master the new conditions of life".
(To give credit where credit is due: I came across a booklet published online by Alexandr Dyukov in 2008 that debunks this supposed quote from "The Soviet Story" here on page 41. I can't vouch for the whole publication or the author, but I've confirmed the debunking about this particular quote and have provided all the necessary references here.)
I would really urge MMFA to highlight this fact: Glenn Beck can't even get the title for his documentary right. This does not bode well for the content of the "documentary" if the supposed source of its title hasn't even been checked.
But I just found the original German text:
I'm not a German speaker, but that's definitely world storm, not a holocaust, not a whole burning, and not genocide. And this text is certainly not a call for genocide. Engels is predicting that counterrevolutionary nations and peoples will not prevail in a global revolutionary conflict, and that the conflict is inevitable because he believes it to be the force of history.
Beck's claim that "The Revolutionary Holocaust" is a "line from Karl Marx" is not just false, but false several times over: it's not Marx's quote, and one has to make a remarkable stretch to argue that Engels wrote even something remotely like it.
Now perhaps someone with a knowledge of German could answer the question of whether or not "Weltsturm" was used as a euphemism for the Shoa... but Beck would still have to argue that this somehow inspired Nazi Germany's genocidal project. And this is a tough argument: after all, Nazis pretty famously disliked Marxist communism because Marx was, well, one of those Jewish intellectuals. This from wikipedia:
Good to have it on the record though. Thanks.
It would be a tough argument to make honestly, but unfortunately Beck is not so constrained. The typical short-cut formulation is that liberals/progressives are "collectivists" like the communists and the Nazis. Conservatives are rugged individualists/libertarians and thus don't buy into group-think. Hence, progressive = communist = Nazi.
Of course this ignores much of the actual history surrounding the Nazis, including the conservative individuals and institutions that helped them to power. It also ignore their enemies who, in addition to the Jews and other ethnic minorities (e.g.; the gypsies), were mainly leftists (most notably the communists and the Democratic Socialists).
I see he's also going to be taking a swing at Che. I'm no particular fan of his, but I can virtually ignore that any discussion of communism in South and Central America will conspicuously ignore the US's support of thuggish right-wing regimes like Pinochet, Banzer, Noriega (yes, he was one of ours), Papa and Baby Doc, Somoza, Alfredo Cristiani, Maximiliano Martinez, and on and on.
You're right, of course, but I'm still surprised that this "collectivism" argument gains any traction with mass audiences. To say that communism and Nazi national socialism are alike because they're both collectivist is to nearly empty out the category "collectivist" of most of its distinctive meaning and analytic utility. By this standard, American democracy is arguably collectivist (and therefore communist and fascist and Nazi) if for no other reason than its foundation on assertions of the common will of "we the people".
Your points about the role of the United States in South and Central America, by the way, are quite right and very well taken.
Do any of you Glenn Beck apologists who frequently appear here understand how personally insulting this insane greaseball is?
F*** you, Glenn Beck...
(just kidding.)
-various fascist governments throughout history, including Hitler and Mussolini, have systematically exterminated leftists and blamed them for all their countries' ills.
-fascism is based on a marriage of the state and corporations, which is why Mussolini said it "might more accurately be called corporatism".
-Go away.
If you think the right, historically or today, is all about freedom and against government control, then you have not been paying any attention at all.
Though I should not be surprised, since you were here the other day claiming that conservatives don't call liberals names, and that you hadn't heard the word "libtard" since the Clinton or Bush I years, a statement that places you as either deeply insulated from the political discourse or as dishonest.
"various fascist governments throughout history ... have systematically exterminated leftists and blamed them for all their countries' ills"
Really? That probably means they should be placed to the right of those particular leftists. You can still be left of center and despise totalitarianism though.
"fascism is based on a marriage of the state and corporations"
Exactly. A marriage of the state. It - by definition - must involve a high level of government control.
There I addressed his points. I would suggest reading Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism. You may not like him as a person but he provides plenty of sources and builds a good argument. What sources do you have?
Oh, I'm sure you would. I wouldn't be surprised if, hiding behind that pathetic little Internet Tough Guy avatar, you ARE the Doughy Pantload. What, did the Scaife Foundation not buy up enough copies to build your new jacuzzi, Jonah?
I can't tell what happened during that hour between your recommending a book as your #1 resource on a topic, and your being offended about having it noticed. That's a question for you to answer.
I've heard Goldberg interviewed on tv and radio a few times, and heard more ridiculous bullsh*t in a few seconds than many people can spit out in a day.
I would find it almost impossible to believe his book somehow holds up better than he can with a friendly host and a prepared "greatest Hits" list.
It's been pointed out by others that you've been given quite a bit of faulty information, so I won't beat that horse any more.
Or a high level of corporate control. Here's where right wingers get tripped up. In a democracy, the government is the people. if it's done properly, government doesn't control the people, people control the government.
That's why we laugh at all of that righty talk about individualism. It's designed to encourage the majority of people to take pride in being on their own. Meanwhile, the corporations and right wing elites (ironically) form a collective to take control of government, leaving the average citizen out there fighting the other "rugged individualists" for some scraps.
And we aren't anywhere close to that right now. Our government does whatever the hell it pleases right now.
This isn't what conservatives believe in. Being right wing inherently means less government control of both the people and corporations, not more. Both fascism and corporatism involve more control, not less.
That's why I said "if done properly". There's the corruption that comes with human nature everywhere on the political spectrum, but I would say that it's the right wing corporatist influence that moves us further from the ideal situation.
Maybe not the average conservative voter, but the conservatives in power sure as hell do. That's why they encourage you to go off and mind your own business,while they work on their fascist, corporatist plans.
It's why they hammer in that theme that government doesn't work, and you shouldn't expect anything from them. So they can spend their time serving themselves.
It's late, so I don't feel like getting into the principles and beliefs of those who want to force people to have babies, and tell them who they can marry, and how that doesn't really work out with the "less control over people" thing.
The "less control over corporations" part, we're in complete agreement about conservatives beliefs there, you just like it a lot more than I do.
And, since Beck invariably brings up Weimar Germany at every turn, I can virtually guarantee you that I have read far more on the subject than he (I've been fanatical on the subject for years). He has a superficial understanding of the era to say the least.
Hitler's rise to power was in collusion with other forces on the right, including conservative war hero Hindenberg, German industrialists and the military. While there was early on what may be called "the Nazi left" (e.g.; the Strasser Brothers, and even Goebbels early on) it was squelched by Hitler in favor of cementing his relations with the conservative elites. Your argument that the Nazis were leftists, albeit leftists to the right of other leftists, does not hold water in light of whom the Nazis allied themselves with.
Read Goldberg if you wish, but that seems to be the long and short of most conservatives' knowledge of fascism. I strongly suggest you delve into some books by some actual scholars of the period and not a piece of agit-prop by a political operative of any stripe, left or right.
Have a nice evening.
BTW, conservatism, liberalism, fascism, nationalism are all separate ideologies. You can't pigeonhole fascism into either liberalism or conservatism because they are ENTIRELY different. Using your example that conservatives do not approve of government powers outside of those enumerated in the Constitution has no bearing whatsoever to fascism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_chart
It might help to clear things up.
Also, on anarchism, you will see that it has historically been mostly (though not completely) a movement of the left and not the right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
It's sort of an "everybody can steal anybody else's free lunch" model.
I heard some really good ideas, but many of them got worse as I thought about the practical applications in the real world.
This was before the party was really hijacked by right wing nuts,btw.
Whoever told you that was either woefully misinformed or playing a prank on you.
They say they don't watch Fox or Beck, or listen to Rush, but then they quote them, and hate them, and say no one cares about any one or anything on the Right.
You say the Media is right-wing, then the only one you can mention is Fox. That leaves a lot of Haters on the Left.
Now that the Hate America Radio Network is officially out of business, who will I listen to so I can learn about the Enemy Haters of the USA?
Well, that does leave MSDNC, with hours of hate every afternoon. On Huffpro you can read more hate in 20 minutes, than could be heard on Rush in the past 20 years.
Straw man.
Straw man.
Non-sequitur/ridiculous, childish "YOU HATE AMERICA!" non-argument.
Find me the Huffington Post equivalent of the following quotes:
"He will use Haiti to boost his credibility with the light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country."
"The U.S. military is now Meals on Wheels."
"You have tampons in your ears."
"Go sit on a fire hydrant."
"We are at war with our own president."
"Have you ever noticed that in composite photos of wanted criminals, all of them resemble Jesse Jackson?"
I'll wait.
Others can speak for themselves, but I certainly don't hate Beck or Limbaugh. I think they're remarkably talented and successful performers. My interest in and fascination with their performances is neither personal or a matter of hatred.
Having said that, I still find these people to be dishonest, hate-filled jerks. They LIE for money and you, without any independent research, BELIEVE them. They aren't conservatives and they represent NO conservative values at all. It's about MONEY, that's all. If you believe them, then you are being had, buddy. Most folks in my community are turning the lies off of their television and their radios. Hopefully, the 1% of the people who are still watching the crap on Fox and the slightly more who are listening to it on the radio will wake up like the 95-99% of the people in this country who are NOT listening to this divisive, dishonest BS.
And how can you receive feedback in advance? Wouldn't you need to show them first, unless of course they tell you to stop lying which would be a given.
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Damn, just when we were getting close after we got our guy elected to begin the final phase. If Anita Dunn hadn't slipped up and let the cat out of the bag, it might have worked. Drat, foiled again!
I don’t spend my time listening to Rush or MSDNC. I am trying to create a book of my Tidbits, and so far I have about 6,000 of these one paragraph stories, in about 1400 pages. It’s just for fun, but since I have “Eightyitis,” it keeps me from being so bored. There are thousands of pages of stories and photos on http://www.travel-tidbits.com/, but I have nothing for sale, just for fun.
Samples of the 6,000 (We have traveled in about 28 European countries.)
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The only reason to Live, is to Love.
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The eye can see and the heart can love what the word cannot describe.
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Alzheimer's is the disease where the caretaker suffers more than the patient.
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When my Sweetie complained about my narrow taste in food, politics, books, etc., I just reminded her of my extremely narrow taste in women.
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“Breathes there a man with soul so dead … ” that he is not gratified by another’s appreciation of his home, his city, and his country. He may grumble in private over the plumbing, the taxes, and his government, but he loves to have the visitor find his surroundings beautiful and interesting.
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The architecture, ruins from ancient times, gardens with precision plantings, the natural beauty, art and treasures, all can easily be appreciated. The tourist who comes to “appreciate” will visit and see the beauty, and never notice the negatives seen by the tourist who came to “criticize.”
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I said going to the Warsaw, Poland, flea market was like going to a stadium for a major league football game — not as a spectator in the bleachers, but as a player down on the field. Such pushing and shoving you have never seen.
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A “pleasure trip” does not mean we will spend all our time on the beach, or in any restaurant in the area, or even attending cultural events and every museum listed in the guidebook.
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The knurled, twisted, sculptured olive trees in southern Italy, present some of the most delightful and tangled sculpture imaginable. Some trees were 2,000 years old, and to us, some looked like modernistic statues, while others could be a substitute for a Rorschach ink-blot test.
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We think perhaps the roads in Czechoslovakia are in good shape because there is little traffic to wear them out. An old lady was pushing a huge cart filled with vegetables, but we saw no place nearby that appeared to be either the origin or the destination of her journey. She will be taking a long walk.