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Beck: "The republic and the progressive movement cannot coexist" and "are diametrically opposed to each other"

January 22, 2010 12:02 pm ET

From the January 22 edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Glenn Beck Program:

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Previously:

Beck: Progressivism "is the poison that's killing our Constitution"; "We've got to irradiate it"

Beck likens himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters": "to the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter"

Beck warns that progressive "vampires" have a "taste of blood" and are "gonna start getting more and more violent"

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 22, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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      The Republic was FORMED by progressives you dolt. And every inch of progress we've made at every point in history has been made by "progressives" JEFFERSON, MADISON, LINCOLN, ROOSEVELT, WILSON, ROOSEVELT and so on... And the Conservtaives have fought all progress every step of the way.

      What can't coexists is the Republic we have and the Republic that exsists only in your tiny mind. You gotta love how it's the CONSERVTIVES who do the most complaining about the STATUS QUO.

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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 22, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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        eddie, amen to that.
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      • Author by OldCon (January 22, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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        You cannot compare the founders to the twentieth century progressives. You know, the ones that went to the ussr and loved stalin and all he was doing and wanted to emulate all that here.
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        • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 12:46 pm ET)
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          You are confusing the terms, just like Beck. He also continues to confuse communism with the system of government which was practiced in the old Soviet Union. Two different things. No industrialized country has ever successfully practiced a true system of communism. Human nature pretty much prevents it from ever happening.

          Many people confuse the term "neo-conservative" with conservatism. In fact, neo-conservatism is a political ideology which is based upon the beliefs of Leon Trotsky, a Marxist. Every time Beck talks about Marxism, I wonder if he's refused to be in the studio with Bill Kristol, John Bolton and Charles Krauthammer, neo-cons all and by extension, Marxists.

          Pigeonholing political ideologies into the current "us v. them" game of Fox and hate talk radio is very tricky. Everything isn't black and white.
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          • Author by John Paradox (January 22, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
               
            No industrialized country has ever successfully practiced a true system of communism. Human nature pretty much prevents it from ever happening.

            Actually, most political/economic systems haven't existed in pure form for large groups. Democracy was fine in Ancient Greece when dealing with a few thousand people, but won't work in the millions, even with today's technology. (Personal note, I tend to be a 'computer nerd' and know the flaws in any attempt to use technology for 'voting')
            Communism, or at least Communal Living worked for a few dozen 'hippies' on a farm, as long as everyone was willing to work. Laziness led to the destruction of those old 'communes'.
            Libertarianism also works if everyone plays by the (few necessary and theoretically voluntary) rules, but collapses as soon as a group (e.g. 'corporations') decides to take advantage of those rules, or ignore or revise them.
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          • Author by broken cog (January 22, 2010 8:03 pm ET)
               
            Many people confuse the term "neo-conservative" with conservatism. In fact, neo-conservatism is a political ideology which is based upon the beliefs of Leon Trotsky, a Marxist. Every time Beck talks about Marxism, I wonder if he's refused to be in the studio with Bill Kristol, John Bolton and Charles Krauthammer, neo-cons all and by extension, Marxists.


            I’ve seen this argument made by you several times and can not reconcile it with the perspective I read from this unabashed Trotskyist news site. I found an article/editorial that tackles this subject. I agree with you that the Republicans like Bush/Cheney/Reagan are an embarrassment to Eisenhower/Roosevelt/Lincoln. However, I don’t think they are even close with regard to Trotsky\Marxism.
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          • Author by broken cog (January 22, 2010 8:12 pm ET)
               
            Forgot my link...
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 22, 2010 12:50 pm ET)
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          Nobody lover Stalin. That's modern-day RW revisionist history b*llsh!t. A deal was made with Stalin so we could get rid of HITLER, and maintain peace after the war. It's call a COMPROMISE which is the kind of thing reasonable people realioze you sometimes have to do. Only the black-and-white thinking of the modern American right comes close to suggesting that a grudging compromise somehow amounts to "love." There was NOTHING Stalinist about Roosevelt.

          What's more, it is the progressives of ANY AGE, in ANY PLACE, going back to the beginning of TIME that have moved society forward. And their opposition hasn't changed much: Conservatives have always been represented by the CHURCH, and the entrenched GOVERNMENT and ECONOMIC interests. (And any poor, ignorant sheep that can be duped of scared into going along with those entrenched powers.)

          So whether it's Obama, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Martin Luther, Galileo or CHRIST, it's always been the same story: Not until two or three generations later do the conservtaives finally realize they were WRONG, and society moves forward. Of course, they then immediately start resisting the next step on the road of societal progress.

          Modern progressives use the same principles that progrssives have ALWAYS used, EVERYWHERE. Fogure out What's wrong, and figure out how to fix it? (And don't assume ANYTHING is scared or untouchable... just FIX IT.) Meanwhile Conservtaives still pull back and first DENY there's any problems, then set about declaring taht EVERYTHING'S scared and so no changes can be made. That model holds true no matter where you are and when you look at it.

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          Stalin was a DICTATOR. No American President or any serious American Political Party ever wanted a true dictatorship. So you're comaparison here to Stalin is absurd.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (January 22, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
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            Sorry. That shoudl start out, "Nobody loved Stalin."
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            • Author by Rich Ahlgrim (January 22, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
                 
              Really?
              How about Castro? Che? Mao?

              Did you know most of the turn of century progressives idolized mussolini and Hitler? Lenin and Stalin? No?

              I suggest you get educated.

              Comparing our founding fathers to modern day or turn of the century progressives is like comparing apples to rotten grapes.

              Our founding fathers valued freedom of the individual, small government, etc... ideals progressives spit upon.
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        • Author by nerzog (January 22, 2010 1:02 pm ET)
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          Who the hell are you talking about?
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        • Author by Boxer1979 (January 22, 2010 3:08 pm ET)
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          Old Con,

          First understand the spectrums of political beliefs before you form your opinion.

          Progressives are nothing like Communists or Marxists. Their is left and extreme left. Such as Conservative and Neo-conservative. Right and extreme right.

          Obama is neither a progressive or a liberal. He is a moderate. I think he needs to be a progressive, but the neo-cons want him to stay center and then say he is a lefty to force him to your right.
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        • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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          Well yeah, considering the USSR didn't exist in the 1700s (nor communism for that matter).
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    • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 12:07 pm ET)
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      No offense, Beck, but those "Founding Fathers" you like to pretend you know about were ALL progressives. See, "progressive" means "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters." Those Founding Fathers were tired of being governed by a repressive English government and they wanted CHANGE. Without that group of PROGRESSIVES, this country would not exist in the first place.

      I'd really look into firing that teacher of yours, being a self-educated man and all. He really stinks.
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    • Author by cindermaker (January 22, 2010 12:11 pm ET)
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      Beck acts like we're all going around wearing Che Guevara and Mao teeshirts...
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    • Author by shaggles (January 22, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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      Did Beck just learn the word progressive? I mean learn to pronounce it. Obviously he hasn't learned what it means.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 22, 2010 12:22 pm ET)
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        That has been carefully calculated by the Troglodytes. See, they spent millions of dollars paying Rush Limbaugh to demonize the word "Liberal", and since Liberals chickened out and started using the word "Progressive", the GOP Propagandists are paying Glen Beck to demonize it.

        They are very thorough and methodical... and totally devoid of conscience. That's why we can't beat them.
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    • Author by nerzog (January 22, 2010 12:17 pm ET)
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      Where are the Beck Apologists? Can even they defend this blatant lie?
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (January 22, 2010 12:20 pm ET)
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      Typical RIGHT WING arogance and narrow mindedness.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 22, 2010 12:25 pm ET)
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      Glenn, you don't know history. You think you do, but really, you only know what you read from biased, revisionist writers, like Skousen. You learned distortions and you want to spread some and invent others of your own making. The Founding Fathers were liberals, they may have held different views on which way to take the country, but they were liberals in favor of the great intellectual movement of their day-The Enlightenment. The Progressives of a century ago were liberals, too. Some of them may have been racists, but it was a racist time. They fought to increase rights and access for all kinds of people, and they fought to get education for children, rather than working them to death. The Roosevelts also wanted to increase the rights and power of the working man. And FDR had to overcome his own class prejudices to do it. None of these people would recognize themselves in the smears you heap on them. Maybe some of them were unpleasant individuals, but hey, look in the mirror. If you were an outside observer of your words and actions, you would condemn yourself for being a right proper bastard.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (January 22, 2010 12:29 pm ET)
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        he thinks he does because he has millions of followers noding their heads ( and wallets ) in approval of these fantastic stories.
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      • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 22, 2010 1:28 pm ET)
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        If you were an outside observer of your words and actions, you would condemn yourself for being a right proper bastard.
        In a perfect world , there would be a Progressive Radio/Cable guy who has HIGH RATINGS would repeat back what Beck has Spewed out. This Progressive would just insert the other teams names--Carter GOD--Reagan Satan--! Add a dash of Rush in to complete the Talking Point.
        Beck, Rush and Conseveritys would trash this Progressive Radio/Cable guy, without knowing who is the True Author of the words!
        Wouldn't that be fun!In a perfect world.
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        • Author by Rich Ahlgrim (January 22, 2010 4:03 pm ET)
             
          The reason progressives dont get as high ratings is because they spew garbage. Most people can recognize garbage when they hear it.

          I fear your perfect world because I have seen it in reality in places like Cuba, N. Korea, Soviet Russia, China, Tibet, ect...
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (January 22, 2010 12:27 pm ET)
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      maybe instead of rewriting history, perhaps Mr Brck can give us an insight on yesteray's Supreme Court ecision to permit corporations infusing large amounts of cash into the election process. He is after all, our professor of history..
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    • Author by MidnightWriter (January 22, 2010 12:33 pm ET)
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      The Republic and the Progressive Movement have coexisted just fine for many, many years, Van Becksing. Child labor laws, the right for women to vote, workers compensation, workplace safety standards--things forwarded by Progressives with pride and vigor.

      Those who supported those now undeniable, indisputable civil liberties were called "Socialists!" and "Marxists!" by a privileged few who wished to keep an out of balance economic system permanently tipped in their favor--something many of us could teach you in less than the first 14 minutes of your upcoming schlockamentary.

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    • Author by MickD (January 22, 2010 12:34 pm ET)
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      Who represents the Republic? The Beckenstein Monster?
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    • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
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      Glenn, Marx and Hitler were not enemies, nor were they pals. Marx died in 1883, six years before Hitler were born, so I am pretty sure there are no entries in Marx's Diary about Hitler. History does show that one of the first acts of Hitler, after becoming Chancellor was to ban the Communist party.
      "The republic and the progressive movement cannot coexist" and "are diametrically opposed to each other"


      It sounds like again Beck is talking about eliminating the opposite party, just like facism does. Glenn, opposites do coexist in nature, good-evil,light-dark, positive-negative energy, yin-yang, The light and Dark sides of the force.

      Sorry Glenn I think I will stick to history professors who have actually studied history on a higher level and not pay much attention to someone that has less education than myself.
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      • Author by vysotsky (January 22, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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        Beck: "Now, was Hitler and Marx -- were they enemies? Your history books will tell you 'yes'. Their diaries will tell a different story, and that is in the special tonight."


        Seeing as Beck can't even get the attribution of the title for his 'documentary' right, I can't wait to see what he does with his comparison of Hitler and Marx and "their diaries." Given his track record, I'd give 50/50 odds that Beck will be using The Hitler Diaries as his historical source material.
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    • Author by goesto11 (January 22, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
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      This is Beck's dream:

      A nation that cannot survive multiple political opinions.
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    • Author by txthinker (January 22, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
         
      There seems to be widespread confusion about what all these terms mean. Just yesterday, a very good friend of mine who happens to be a Libertarian posted on Facebook that the big-government neo-cons were "socialists". I replied that they were more like fascists, seeing as fascism invokes nationalism, racial purity, and close cooperation between business adn government.

      His reply? "Socialism and fascism are the same thing." I just sat there, shaking my head......
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 22, 2010 1:32 pm ET)
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      Wow...I'm gonna learn more from this Glenn Beck video than from a HIGH SCHOOL textbook. I just hope they don't use a lot of big words...
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      • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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        He picked that up here, Irony. I made a remark yesterday that I learned all about communism in junior high and high school. He trolls for ideas here.

        Beck, from reports, was a really poor student who may or may not have graduated from high school. He thinks that making a documentary out of the garbage written in Skousen's books that he is INFORMING the country about a political ideology which has never truly been practiced in any industrialized nation in the world. Communism, as a political structure, is complete unworkable. It is not conducive to human nature.

        Beck is not presenting a documentary about communism, he is presenting a documentary about the Soviet dictatorial government which rewarded business, wealth and power over the average citizen, the workers. That's not communism.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 22, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
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          "He picked that up here, Irony. I made a remark yesterday that I learned all about communism in junior high and high school. He trolls for ideas here."

          He is very thin-skinned. I am quite sure that he looks at the stuff written about him. I wonder though, does he comment? Could he be one of our trolls? Could he be one of the ones we don't suspect because he pretends to be something else? With the glories of the internet, he could. By the way, it isn't me. I'm a really bad liar, so I tend to tell the truth because it is easier than lying.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (January 22, 2010 2:31 pm ET)
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            I confess...I am Glenn Beck.





            Okay, I'm lying... ;>)
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            • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 22, 2010 2:44 pm ET)
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              I confess...I am Glenn Beck.
              Okay, I'm lying... ;>)


              PROVE IT, if you are lying you must be the BECK!!
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              • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
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                Some people have said that IRONY is Glenn Beck.
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (January 22, 2010 4:50 pm ET)
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                PROVE IT, if you are lying you must be the BECK!!

                If I'm lying wouldn't that make me Sean Hannity? ;>)
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                • Author by eweston8542983 (January 22, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
                     
                  Nah you tend to make sense, couse that blows a Beck identity out of the water as well.

                  Though admittedly some do say...
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          • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 3:36 pm ET)
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            Oh, if you watch carefully, you'll see him here. Quit easy to figure out if you think hard enough.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (January 22, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
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          Speaking of Beck's education, or lack thereof, I found it interesting during his interview with Sarah Palin when he remarked that he and Sarah had "graduated" the same year...he didn't say "graduated from high school" , although that's what he clearly meant. It was as though he assumed her formal education had ended there, too, although I understand Palin did earn a bachelor's degree.
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          • Author by jms (January 22, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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            is that how you console yourself with the fact that he is a multi-millionaire and you are a pathetic basement troll.
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            • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
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              What difference does that make? Money is no sign of intelligence or education. He's still an uneducated dolt who makes money off of uninformed folks like you who believe his BS. What does that say about you?

              Me, personally, I do quite well for myself and I'm no "pathetic basement troll."
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              • Author by raddave43 (January 22, 2010 3:47 pm ET)
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                Dexter Manley became a multi-millionaire playing football for the Redskins and other teams, but he was also Illiterate.
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              • Author by jms (January 22, 2010 4:40 pm ET)
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                Good for you. It should be noted also that education is no sign of intelligence, either. If you can make millions using your brain (not just your brawn like Dexter Manley), then I would argue that he would have to be more than some run of the mill dolt. Perhaps you are no pathetic basement troll but you should be a little more open-minded and think more critically.
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                • Author by bintx (January 22, 2010 4:50 pm ET)
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                  Oh, I have no difficulty with critical thinking or open-minded thought. As I said, Beck is still an uneducated zoo radio DJ who got at good gig with his loud, uneducated mouth. He spews completely false information and folks like you eat it up. He's going to ride it for as long as he can. BTW, I didn't say he was dumb, just uneducated. Two different things. He's smart enough to fool you.
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                • Author by vysotsky (January 22, 2010 4:50 pm ET)
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                  " If you can make millions using your brain (not just your brawn like Dexter Manley), then I would argue that he would have to be more than some run of the mill dolt. "

                  You're unfairly underestimating Manley's intelligence. True, he was found to be functionally illiterate, but clearly he is smart enough not to presume to wax professorial with a chalk board on history, political science and economics as the host of a show on a national news network.

                  Beck is a truly gifted and successful performer, and I have no animosity for him personally whatsoever. But he doesn't have much of a formal education, and many of his claims and arguments have big, fact-shaped holes in them.
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (January 22, 2010 4:42 pm ET)
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              "...he is a multi-millionaire and you are a pathetic basement troll."

              LOL... How in the world would you know how much money I have made?

              But money is not the issue. Money is not an automatic indicator of intelligence; education; knowledge; integrity; honesty; decency...or even sanity.

              However, in my experience, I have seen many shallow people who worship money and equate its acquisition and accumulation with the ultimate goal in life. I have no use for peole like that...
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (January 22, 2010 4:44 pm ET)
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                And, BTW, Glenn Beck is a classless, undereducated boob who apparently does have a talent for making money being a huckster.
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              • Author by John Paradox (January 22, 2010 8:06 pm ET)
                   
                Isn't this "if you're so smart, why ain't you rich?" bit pretty much the same (or a variation of) the FAUX NEWS RATINGS posts we keep getting trolled with?
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          • Author by epkklk851 (January 22, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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            Well, Sarah is supposed to have a college degree from Idaho State in Journalism, no less, but it doesn't seem to show. I remember that part of the interview, I thought it was kind of reaching and a tad creepy.
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    • Author by Rich Ahlgrim (January 22, 2010 4:01 pm ET)
         
      I cannot believe what I am ready?
      Our founding fathers were progressives? Are you people insane?

      Progressives are for government intrusion into the daily lives of the individual; Welfare states, Big governement, and government controlled health care. They see government as not only a necessity, but as the greatest good.

      Our founding fathers saw government as a necessary evil, that government that governs least governs best.

      Seriously, do any of you really understand what it means to say you are a progressive? Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Che, Castro are all on the roles as progressives.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (January 22, 2010 4:08 pm ET)
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      Beck: "The republic and the progressive movement cannot coexist" and "are diametrically opposed to each other"

      The word 'republic' is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as "a public affair".

      Progressivism - is a political and social term for ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in an egalitarian direction for economic policies public management .

      Becky is very dense. SMH!
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      • Author by Rich Ahlgrim (January 22, 2010 4:24 pm ET)
           
        To understand the progressive movement you must understand it's history, I highly suggest you study history, specifically the first progressive, Woody Wilson.

        I know most progressives have no use for History except to rewrite it, but most who understands what progressives really stand for are rightly afraid.

        Maybe you should study history instead of trying to rewrite it. I dare you to watch the Beck special tonight or are you to cowardly?
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    • Author by Sharpe (January 22, 2010 6:32 pm ET)
         
      I can't watch beck's whole segment because i am worried about my health. I don't want my head to explode or have any sort of MI at the age of 25. i WOULD watch it but only in a hospital setting where i know healthcare is close and readily available if i need it. Gerbels used the US propaganda to justify the ridiculous extent to which the nazi party took it. Like america briefly advocated for forced sterilizations and the nazis committed genocide and social engineering by partly using american forced sterilization to justify it at the beginning. BECK YOU FAILED THE ONLY COLLEGE CLASS YOU EVER TOOK! A high school diploma does not make you a history buff. Beck was probably so excited that he did not fail his high school history class, he thought he could teach the world. Most of america has a high school diploma beck. Go home and teach your kids if you want to teach someone about fake history. The american people are dumb enough already without your distortions shoved in.
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    • Author by big2xrube6146 (January 22, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
         
      Dah! That's old news. Everyone knows that. That's why nothing is getting done for a better America.
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