Beck: "The republic and the progressive movement cannot coexist" and "are diametrically opposed to each other"
January 22, 2010 12:02 pm ET
From the January 22 edition of Premiere Radio Network's The Glenn Beck Program:
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What can't coexists is the Republic we have and the Republic that exsists only in your tiny mind. You gotta love how it's the CONSERVTIVES who do the most complaining about the STATUS QUO.
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IMHO
Many people confuse the term "neo-conservative" with conservatism. In fact, neo-conservatism is a political ideology which is based upon the beliefs of Leon Trotsky, a Marxist. Every time Beck talks about Marxism, I wonder if he's refused to be in the studio with Bill Kristol, John Bolton and Charles Krauthammer, neo-cons all and by extension, Marxists.
Pigeonholing political ideologies into the current "us v. them" game of Fox and hate talk radio is very tricky. Everything isn't black and white.
Actually, most political/economic systems haven't existed in pure form for large groups. Democracy was fine in Ancient Greece when dealing with a few thousand people, but won't work in the millions, even with today's technology. (Personal note, I tend to be a 'computer nerd' and know the flaws in any attempt to use technology for 'voting')
Communism, or at least Communal Living worked for a few dozen 'hippies' on a farm, as long as everyone was willing to work. Laziness led to the destruction of those old 'communes'.
Libertarianism also works if everyone plays by the (few necessary and theoretically voluntary) rules, but collapses as soon as a group (e.g. 'corporations') decides to take advantage of those rules, or ignore or revise them.
I’ve seen this argument made by you several times and can not reconcile it with the perspective I read from this unabashed Trotskyist news site. I found an article/editorial that tackles this subject. I agree with you that the Republicans like Bush/Cheney/Reagan are an embarrassment to Eisenhower/Roosevelt/Lincoln. However, I don’t think they are even close with regard to Trotsky\Marxism.
What's more, it is the progressives of ANY AGE, in ANY PLACE, going back to the beginning of TIME that have moved society forward. And their opposition hasn't changed much: Conservatives have always been represented by the CHURCH, and the entrenched GOVERNMENT and ECONOMIC interests. (And any poor, ignorant sheep that can be duped of scared into going along with those entrenched powers.)
So whether it's Obama, Roosevelt, Jefferson, Martin Luther, Galileo or CHRIST, it's always been the same story: Not until two or three generations later do the conservtaives finally realize they were WRONG, and society moves forward. Of course, they then immediately start resisting the next step on the road of societal progress.
Modern progressives use the same principles that progrssives have ALWAYS used, EVERYWHERE. Fogure out What's wrong, and figure out how to fix it? (And don't assume ANYTHING is scared or untouchable... just FIX IT.) Meanwhile Conservtaives still pull back and first DENY there's any problems, then set about declaring taht EVERYTHING'S scared and so no changes can be made. That model holds true no matter where you are and when you look at it.
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Stalin was a DICTATOR. No American President or any serious American Political Party ever wanted a true dictatorship. So you're comaparison here to Stalin is absurd.
How about Castro? Che? Mao?
Did you know most of the turn of century progressives idolized mussolini and Hitler? Lenin and Stalin? No?
I suggest you get educated.
Comparing our founding fathers to modern day or turn of the century progressives is like comparing apples to rotten grapes.
Our founding fathers valued freedom of the individual, small government, etc... ideals progressives spit upon.
First understand the spectrums of political beliefs before you form your opinion.
Progressives are nothing like Communists or Marxists. Their is left and extreme left. Such as Conservative and Neo-conservative. Right and extreme right.
Obama is neither a progressive or a liberal. He is a moderate. I think he needs to be a progressive, but the neo-cons want him to stay center and then say he is a lefty to force him to your right.
I'd really look into firing that teacher of yours, being a self-educated man and all. He really stinks.
They are very thorough and methodical... and totally devoid of conscience. That's why we can't beat them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWW8x0TRkWg
In a perfect world , there would be a Progressive Radio/Cable guy who has HIGH RATINGS would repeat back what Beck has Spewed out. This Progressive would just insert the other teams names--Carter GOD--Reagan Satan--! Add a dash of Rush in to complete the Talking Point.
Beck, Rush and Conseveritys would trash this Progressive Radio/Cable guy, without knowing who is the True Author of the words!
Wouldn't that be fun!In a perfect world.
I fear your perfect world because I have seen it in reality in places like Cuba, N. Korea, Soviet Russia, China, Tibet, ect...
Those who supported those now undeniable, indisputable civil liberties were called "Socialists!" and "Marxists!" by a privileged few who wished to keep an out of balance economic system permanently tipped in their favor--something many of us could teach you in less than the first 14 minutes of your upcoming schlockamentary.
It sounds like again Beck is talking about eliminating the opposite party, just like facism does. Glenn, opposites do coexist in nature, good-evil,light-dark, positive-negative energy, yin-yang, The light and Dark sides of the force.
Sorry Glenn I think I will stick to history professors who have actually studied history on a higher level and not pay much attention to someone that has less education than myself.
Seeing as Beck can't even get the attribution of the title for his 'documentary' right, I can't wait to see what he does with his comparison of Hitler and Marx and "their diaries." Given his track record, I'd give 50/50 odds that Beck will be using The Hitler Diaries as his historical source material.
A nation that cannot survive multiple political opinions.
His reply? "Socialism and fascism are the same thing." I just sat there, shaking my head......
Beck, from reports, was a really poor student who may or may not have graduated from high school. He thinks that making a documentary out of the garbage written in Skousen's books that he is INFORMING the country about a political ideology which has never truly been practiced in any industrialized nation in the world. Communism, as a political structure, is complete unworkable. It is not conducive to human nature.
Beck is not presenting a documentary about communism, he is presenting a documentary about the Soviet dictatorial government which rewarded business, wealth and power over the average citizen, the workers. That's not communism.
He is very thin-skinned. I am quite sure that he looks at the stuff written about him. I wonder though, does he comment? Could he be one of our trolls? Could he be one of the ones we don't suspect because he pretends to be something else? With the glories of the internet, he could. By the way, it isn't me. I'm a really bad liar, so I tend to tell the truth because it is easier than lying.
Okay, I'm lying... ;>)
Okay, I'm lying... ;>)
PROVE IT, if you are lying you must be the BECK!!
If I'm lying wouldn't that make me Sean Hannity? ;>)
Though admittedly some do say...
Me, personally, I do quite well for myself and I'm no "pathetic basement troll."
You're unfairly underestimating Manley's intelligence. True, he was found to be functionally illiterate, but clearly he is smart enough not to presume to wax professorial with a chalk board on history, political science and economics as the host of a show on a national news network.
Beck is a truly gifted and successful performer, and I have no animosity for him personally whatsoever. But he doesn't have much of a formal education, and many of his claims and arguments have big, fact-shaped holes in them.
LOL... How in the world would you know how much money I have made?
But money is not the issue. Money is not an automatic indicator of intelligence; education; knowledge; integrity; honesty; decency...or even sanity.
However, in my experience, I have seen many shallow people who worship money and equate its acquisition and accumulation with the ultimate goal in life. I have no use for peole like that...
Our founding fathers were progressives? Are you people insane?
Progressives are for government intrusion into the daily lives of the individual; Welfare states, Big governement, and government controlled health care. They see government as not only a necessity, but as the greatest good.
Our founding fathers saw government as a necessary evil, that government that governs least governs best.
Seriously, do any of you really understand what it means to say you are a progressive? Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Che, Castro are all on the roles as progressives.
The word 'republic' is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as "a public affair".
Progressivism - is a political and social term for ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in an egalitarian direction for economic policies public management .
Becky is very dense. SMH!
I know most progressives have no use for History except to rewrite it, but most who understands what progressives really stand for are rightly afraid.
Maybe you should study history instead of trying to rewrite it. I dare you to watch the Beck special tonight or are you to cowardly?