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Beck: Social Security, Medicare "should have never been created," ties creation of Social Security to Stalin

January 27, 2010 6:27 pm ET

From the January 27 edition of Fox News' Beck:

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    • Author by DAWUSS (January 27, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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      [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/DAWUSS/beckfacepalm.jpg?t=1264634975]
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    • Author by land_stephen1380 (January 27, 2010 6:32 pm ET)
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      Wow. He really has no clue how SS works yet he claims to "read." Sad.
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    • Author by raine315 (January 27, 2010 6:35 pm ET)
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      A free Fox News tshirt to every viewer who gives up their Social Security. A free Fox News mug to those who give up their Medicare
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      • Author by bintx (January 27, 2010 6:39 pm ET)
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        Yep. Old Glenn may have ripped his britches on this one. Considering that Fox's core audience are SS/Medicare aged folks, not going to go over well.

        An former BF is one of Fox's biggest fans . . . loves O'Reilly as much as FL and like her, repeats every word he says verbatim and in a reverent tone. Anyway, he also received 100% SS disability and Medicare because of a debilitating nerve disorder. Without it, he would be unable to survive. Wonder what he'll think of old Glenn's comments. I know he's watching. He watches Fox all but a couple of hours in a 24 hour day because of medication induced insomnia.
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        • Author by raine315 (January 27, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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          Sorry to say if Beck's comments in that clip do not snap most viewers back to "reality" nothing will.
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      • Author by opopop (January 27, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
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        Think this guy might have just now gone over the line with stupid things said and can now be officially declared dumber than George Bush, please, for ye're own sake, don't let Beck tour Europe or anywhere outside America, America wil lose ALL respect.
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        • Author by DAWUSS (January 27, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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          Well Savage is already (still) banned in Britain...
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          • Author by opopop (January 27, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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            Ya but Savage would just make America a little less likeable, (granted thats a bit harsh to condemn all Americans on one guys insane hate filled ramblings but kinda happens, i.e Bush and "mission accomplished, Gizmo etc.) but Beck? America would be a laughing stock, come on, this guy is a multi millionaire!, famous and on T.V every night, its mind boggling.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (January 27, 2010 6:56 pm ET)
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        Tell the government to keep their damn hands off my medicare!!

        Damn socialists! What is Obama trying to do now, kill all the old people!!

        <sarc>
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      • Author by MagCynic (January 27, 2010 9:10 pm ET)
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        I'll give up both. I'm not gonna see a dime of it anyways by the time I retire.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (January 27, 2010 6:42 pm ET)
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      So tell that to the widows of firefighters and policemen. They receive social security benifits when their spouses pass away. So Becky wants these people throw away their saftey net and put themselves at the tender mercies of the community? Look stupid tax dollars are YOUR MONEY! I would rather have a spouse of a pulic servant get he money than some fantastically expensive weapons system. Becky makes millions telling ordinary folks to hang themselves.
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      • Author by ojnabieoot (January 27, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
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        If they weren't namby-pamby socialist wimp libtards, maybe their spouses wouldn't have died in the line of duty. Jeeze, GBU, you just don't understand real America.
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    • Author by Publius39 (January 27, 2010 6:45 pm ET)
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      I wonder how many of the tea baggers are on Medicare and collect Social Security? I know that probably his biggest audience indulge in both programs. I don't understand why the right always attacks these programs.
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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        Like the one who so famously got up at a town hall meeting and said "The government needs to stay out of my Social Security and Medicaid."
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 27, 2010 8:12 pm ET)
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        I don't understand why the right always attacks these programs.

        Because it is socialism. Didn't you hear Beck? It is right there in the name, "Social Security". They didn't even try to hide it.



        Durn libruls.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (January 27, 2010 8:39 pm ET)
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          Besides, doesn't everyone make $20 million a year.
          What do all those old folks need with social security?
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        • Author by Sally2010M (January 30, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
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          What's so hard to understand about the concepts of socialism?

          "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
          - Karl Marx

          When you take money from some people at gunpoint, and "redistribute the wealth" to other people, based on perceived "needs", that's socialism, marxism, or Progressivism, whichever term you prefer.
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      • Author by snewkirk (January 27, 2010 9:20 pm ET)
           
        That's where, I suppose, I'll give Beck some sort of credit. At least he's sticking to his anti-socialism views.
        Most righties will condemn socialism on one hand, yet bash Democrats for contemplating a half-trillion dollar cut to medicare.
        We know why they do it. Cutting medicare and/or social security is unpopular.
        I only hope Beck gains in unpopularity as a result of these statements.
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    • Author by blueline99 (January 27, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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      In 1930s, poverty among Senior Citizens was over 50%, today it is less than 10%... yeah, we should have never created it.

      I know how the right thinks that this type of "hand out" just gets people "addicted" to it... but, what is an 80 year old supposed to do in this society? Go work in a coal mine?

      Oh and I forgot that we are all supposed to take individual responsibility and prepare for our twilight years, but in the real world, not everyone is going to be able to do this and those without a safety net will suffer... Is that how you want to treat our elderly... Well, I know what Beck thinks.
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      • Author by worrierking (January 27, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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        Glenn would prefer we get rid of those pesky child labor laws too. If we send more ten year olds into the mines, none will live long enough to collect their Social Security benefits.
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        • Author by mary59 (January 27, 2010 7:37 pm ET)
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          Good point. And I'm sure that we could re-establish the work houses for the poor. Elderly can work there, or just have tough luck. Maybe go to debter's prison.
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          • Author by juliajayne1 (January 27, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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            Yes, God bless us, every one! ;-) All sounds a little Dickensian, eh?
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    • Author by fishgirl26 (January 27, 2010 6:53 pm ET)
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      Glennie couldn't lick Henry Hopkins boots!!!! What a tool...he is stomping on his viewers!
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (January 27, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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        And his viewers scream, "More!"

        This country has become amazingly stupid, to the delight of conservatives.
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    • Author by bintx (January 27, 2010 6:54 pm ET)
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      I'm sorry, but what Beck is basically saying is that death panels are good. I mean, if you cut off Medicare and Social Security, you are basically sentencing many old people to death by starvation and exposure.

      Shame, shame, Beck.
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      • Author by raine315 (January 27, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
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        Not only would the elderly lose their homes and apartments without these benefits they would also get kicked out of nursing homes, they will not get any visiting nursing, home health care as well.
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    • Author by ojnabieoot (January 27, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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      A correction of history is hardly the worst thing about Beck's latest piece of universal Democrat-smearing trash, but it does seem necessary:

      Harry Hopkins was never seriously accused of being a pro-Soviet spy. He worked with the Soviets during WW2 - considering we were allied with them, this is hardly a condemnation - and at any rate had nothing to do with Social Security. Right-wing critics in the 30's didn't like him because of his high role in FDR's administration as a New Dealer, but it wasn't like Hopkins snuck over to Russia, saw how they were doing things, reported back to FDR, and that's where we got Social Security.

      His bizarre, scathing portrayal of Ida May Fuller, while factually accurate, shows a complete lack of understanding as to how Social Security works. Of COURSE the first recipient will probably get a bit more than she paid, you freaking moron. Even by Beck's standards, this argument is comically flawed and petty - an indication that when attacking the economic policies of the President who led America out of a severe depression, one tends to grasp at straws.

      Again, Beck's anti-liberal rampage has unsurprisingly led him to counter-factual nonsense that, even if it made sense - and it doesn't - represents a political battle that his side lost 70 years ago. It's clear that he's desperately searching for something new, and I don't think even the Tea Partiers are going to buy that Wilson, FDR, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Obama are all on the same side of the "progressive" coin.
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      • Author by mescal (January 27, 2010 8:17 pm ET)
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        Excellent post, ojnabieoot. Vicious wingnuts like Dreck count on Americans being ignorant of our own history, allowing them to substitute their own truckloads of bullsh!t for reality. The actual facts DO have a liberal bias.
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    • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
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      Beck you fail! Social Security was drafted by Gov. Robert Moran Jr.'s committee on economic security. Not Harry Hopkins.

      Harry Hopkins was never accused of being a spy. Harry Hopkins job was to pass along information to Stalin and top Soviet officials on what FDR was planning in order to gain their support.

      But poor O'Keefe, he is a ballsy kid, who is innocent until proven guilty.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (January 27, 2010 8:17 pm ET)
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        But poor O'Keefe, he is a ballsy kid, who is innocent until proven guilty.


        Yup, poor O'Keefe. Too bad he already admitted is guilt.
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        • Author by bintx (January 28, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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          Yeah, and it's admissible. Poor kid probably thought that if he admitted it immediately, it would be thrown out. Since I doubt that an admission was solicited by the FBI and the Federal Marshal, he just made an "excited utterance against interest." That's an exception to the hearsay rule and is admissible in a court of law.
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    • Author by mescal (January 27, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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      Doughboy is badly miscalculating with this one. A large portion of the Faux News audience is well advanced in years, AND RECEIVING SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS! Many others are closing in on the age when they can finally begin drawing on this life-long investment. They're not going to like being told that this program that they dearly love and RELY on makes them a bunch of 'damned socialists'.

      Typically, Dreck stoops to smearing Harry Hopkins, with vague accusations of his having been accused of being a spy. Hopkins, however, was NEVER accused of spying by any governmental agency. Doughboy knows that such accusations came exclusively from dishonest and manipulative right wing media thugs... the Glenn Drecks of that era, if you will. These were the same people that frequently called FDR himself a Bolshevic and a Jew.

      And, Dreck further smears Hopkins by claiming that he "had a relationship with Stalin", and that he could "get him to accomplish foreign policy." This, admittedly, was true. But, this was also in the midst of WWII, and the Soviet Union was our ally in our war against Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan. Representing FDR, Hopkins served to help coordinate our military dealings with the USSR, and, as such, performed a great service to our nation and our fighting men. To see him thus smeared and vilified some 70 odd years later by this smug and loathesomely unrepentant chickenhawk is truly sickening.

      And what of Ida May Fuller? She gets the Dreck treatment for having the unmitigated gall of living a long life. The purpose of Social Security was to prevent... as commonly occurred in that era... America's elderly from falling into severe poverty. Ida's case was well publicized at that time, as it showed that Social Security WAS WORKING FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH IT HAD BEEN CREATED! OF course she benefited out of proportion to what she paid in. America did not want to see its older generation starving. Only the most compassionless and right wing of Americans were willing to tell our elderly "Hey, if you're going hungry, then why don't you get up off your lazy backsides and ride the rails just like the other hobos."

      Glenn Dreck has proven once again that he doesn't have a soul.

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      • Author by anonymiss (January 28, 2010 2:26 pm ET)
           
        I like how Blech completely ignores the fact that, prior to the inception of Social Security, there WAS NO social security tax withheld from anyone's pay! So of course she got much more out than she paid in. My generation, on the other hand, gets to pay out the wazoo all our lives with the good chance that there will be NO safety net for us when we get old.
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    • Author by avination (January 27, 2010 7:20 pm ET)
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      he wants old people to die, and he wants them to die broke. sounds like a financial death panel to me.
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    • Author by Damon (January 27, 2010 7:22 pm ET)
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      Beck doesn't know his history very well. Harry Hopkins had little to do with the creation of Social Security, and was a true American patriot during WWII, as he dealt with the Ruskies for FDR (they were our allies then, Beck). Read Wikipedia bio for more.
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    • Author by oldbob (January 27, 2010 7:25 pm ET)
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      Are all insurance programs a "social" program? Like car insurance is money from "other people" if I file a claim? So Stalin keeps the bad drivers on the road with replacement autos. I guess if government handouts of S.S. money bothers some folks they could just give the money back. Would a country without any insurance programs be better? The program called Social Security keeps a family with children feed if the bread winner dies. Medicare "is" government run health care. Does Mr. Beck buy any Stalin backed programs for his house, his car, his family?
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (January 27, 2010 8:31 pm ET)
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      Beck said:

      "I'm an American, I can read. (Well, mostly Hustler, when I'm not watching anime porn)."
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      • Author by dogbreath (January 27, 2010 8:52 pm ET)
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        That's my favorite part of the whole rant. I am an American too, Glenn, and I know an unmitigated ass when I see one.
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      • Author by jmariemo (January 27, 2010 8:52 pm ET)
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        Anime is foreign; therefore, Beck cannot like it. Furry porn, however, he is totally down for.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (January 27, 2010 8:33 pm ET)
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      Beck: Social Security, Medicare "should have never been created," ties creation of Social Security to Stalin

      Man that was a FAIL!

      Social Security was created in GERMANY by Otto Von Bismark!

      He also gave the country its first form of HEALTH CARE. Employer contribution with employee's pay! STILL GOING TODAY!

      Not Adolf Hitler!
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 8:56 pm ET)
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        But, but, but PELOSI, REID, SOCIALIST, SOTOMAYOR, YOU LIE, NAZI, GOVMENT KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY SOCIAL SECURITY!!!!
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    • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 8:53 pm ET)
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      Beck "I'm an American, I read and believe in the Constitution." Too bad because of your lack of education, you can't comprehend what you read, including the Constitution.
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      • Author by John Paradox (January 28, 2010 12:56 am ET)
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        Remember in Star Trek:TOS, in episode The Omega Glory (the Yangs and the Coms) how the leader of the Yangs read off the Preamble?

        That's Beck.
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      • Author by bintx (January 28, 2010 9:40 am ET)
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        If he reads and believes the Constitution, why does he misquote it and misunderstand its content so much?
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    • Author by snewkirk (January 27, 2010 9:09 pm ET)
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      I wonder how many Beck fans were surprised to realize social security and medicare were socialistic.
      I wonder how many of those fan-boys are still okay with accepting the benefit of these social programs.
      I have a feeling the majority of Beck fanatics only consider policy socialistic if it's Obama policy.
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    • Author by MagCynic (January 27, 2010 9:11 pm ET)
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      Well the National Socialists did want government run pension plan for its older citizens.
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 9:20 pm ET)
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        Did you not read the post above, it was Von Bismark that proposed the "government run" pension plan for Germany.
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        • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 9:21 pm ET)
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          But they had "socialists" in their name and North Korea has Democratic in their name as well, so I guess that means they are a democracy.
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        • Author by MagCynic (January 27, 2010 9:32 pm ET)
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          Well seeing as Hitler was for a more controlling government than any conservative would be comfortable with, why don't you give me reasons why the Nazi's were a part of the right. Show me Hitler's policies of less spending, less taxing, less government intervention in the private sector, etc.
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          • Author by davemccarthymusic9410 (January 27, 2010 10:32 pm ET)
               
            who said the Nazis (no need for an apostrophe, by the way.) were "a part of the right"?
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          • Author by raddave43 (January 27, 2010 11:36 pm ET)
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            You have been bringing up this same tired argument for days and it has been refuted so many times, I have given you examples of how Hitler and Nazism was as close to the far right as it was by the left by "a more controlling governement. Look back if you don't remember.
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            • Author by MagCynic (January 28, 2010 8:44 am ET)
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              You haven't refuted squat. You haven't presented any of your own evidence other than saying my evidence doesn't count.
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            • Author by Boxer1979 (January 28, 2010 12:11 pm ET)
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              raddave43,

              MagCynic refuses to believe actual history. So his comments is not to be taken seriously. Beliefs of his nature do distort reality and sadly many people are like him. Believing people like Beck or Goldberg. Sad!
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      • Author by bintx (January 28, 2010 9:45 am ET)
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        You understand that China's legal name is the People's Republic of China, right? Do you see how just because a word that has one meaning in THIS country doesn't necessarily mean it has the same meaning in another.

        Before you say things, look 'em up. Don't base your "knowledge" of Hitler's Germany on a book by Jonah Goldberg. Try reading REAL history by REAL historians, not political hacks like Goldberg.
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        • Author by John Paradox (January 28, 2010 10:43 am ET)
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          Also, the United Soviet Socialist Republic was obviously run by Republicans.. like Saddam's Republican Guard.
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    • Author by 4teepee (January 28, 2010 12:20 am ET)
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      Dick Cheney and Halliburton have gotten a lot fatter off of government that any Social Security recipient has.
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