Pressed by O'Reilly on "the birther people", Palin refuses to say they don't have a place in the tea party movement
February 16, 2010 8:36 pm ET
From the February 16 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
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If Jefferson Davis had been the Key-Note Speaker she would still be praising the Tea-Party, excuse me, The Tea-Klux-Klan.
Mr. News
The biggest problem that exists with the tea parties is the Republican candidates that are trying to court the tea party voters by using such rhetoric. In the article they talk about a candidate that said if the 2010 elections didn't go his way, he was going to go home and get his guns. I wish Beck would jump on this one because if that isn't political power coming from the barrel of the gun, then I don't know what is. He probably won't, but he should because we can't afford to have a country in which threats of violence are made when it comes time to vote. If Beck really fears for his country, he would put an end to the calls for a violent overthrow of the government.
That's it.
He's an unAmerican, unprincipled, greedy little scumbag. He's a coward, and a sociopath and a traitor.
And there are dozens of other talking heads on the Right that are no better. These people don't give a $#!t about the country. They only care about those parts of America that durectly support their own income and personal, material enrichment.
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As for sociopath? Have you heard his show? Have you seen the chalkboard? Those alone qualify him as "crazy" and he's put out enough anti-gov't nonsense to qualify as "paranoid." It's his indirect, thinly veiled calls for violence, his talk of revolution, and of violent political chanege, again: REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES, that cause me to choose the word sociopath.
Yes, obviously I'm not saying he's literally a serial killer or anything. I'm using the word loosely, in the varnacular sense, not according to the official Phychologists Handbook. But given the tactics that he's spoken about and the rhetoric he's willing to use to bring about his agenda, regardless of the consequences, I will stand by both "traitor" and "sociopath."
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From MedicineNet.com
Glenn Beck:
Began early - Alcoholism and drug addiction that started in his teens,
Academic failure - dropped out of college after 1 class,
Poor Job Performance - smoked pot on air, need I say more?
Illegal Activities - see drug addiction, smoked pot while on air at WPGC, got arrested trying to steal holiday decorations from Scottsdale while working for KZZP
Reckless and Impulsive - Miscarriage stunt, bumper sticker stunt both while working for KZZP
Dysphoria - how many times has he broken down on air?
Feeling victimized - How many times has he claimed the liberals are out to get him?
Diminished capacity for intimacy - divorced
Yep, I think there is ample evidence for that comment. Whether he is clinically diagnosable is a matter for his doctors, but there is definitely enough evidence to raise the question.
or, and the more likely of the two, she is a Machiavellian power hungry demagogue who will do anything and everything to get what she wants and damn whatever lies are told and if god forbid people get hurt somehow, that is unimportant to her unless she can make it work to her advantage.
case in point. she screamed about rahm emmanuel's comment and when rush said somethign very close if not worse, (just in this case he had called people retards before this happened) and she dismissed him as being satirical and apologized quickly as every other republican who spoke against him has done.
she can't say no because she feels that she can win with these people, those closet racists who had it not been for fox's promotion of them, would have faded and quickly.
while most things i disagree strongly with you, i must say this to you. bravo and well done mag. for once, at least for now. we agree on something.
Guess what though?
She's not.
Dolt.
This is a nothingburger of a story put here by someone at MMFA workning the night shift assigned to the Fox beat trying to make something out of it. You want the Tea Party to start defining their platform, and she just told Bill in so many words that she's not the one to start telling people to go fly a kite.
Here, watch how two pros do it, John Kerry and John Edwards a few years ago with the 9/11 truthers.
John Kerry Says WTC 7 Brought Down In Controlled Fashion
John Edwards Confronted About 911 and WTC7
Sarah just needs to act like she doesn't understand the question or that she doesn't have all the information like the smooth operators in the Democratic Party are so good at, right?
Right, christopher???
SHE (Sarah "I quit" Palin) is the one that the TEABAGGERS themselves look to as a leader. SHE is the one touted by the TEABAGGERS themselves as the best hope for President in 2012. It is the TEABAGGERS that are potraying her as the face the TEABAGGERS look for. She is certainly in a position to define what the teabaggers movement shold be about because the TEABAGGERS gave her that authority. To say that ". She is not in a position to say who gets in and who doesn't, who speaks and who doesn't." is a giant load of crap. The only thing she has been doing for the lasy year is setting herself up as the leader of the teabaggers. If she's too empty headed or too timid or too politically cowardly to say the right thing then she should remove herself from the pedestal that the TEABAGGERS put her on.
I don't know if you fantasize about being the dipper or the dippee, but you might want to get that one checked out by a professional.
Anyways, it's not that I'm fascinated by teabagging (not that there's anything wrong with that) but more fascinated why these people would show it (in this case, their incredibly ignorance) in public. It's like when you see two dogs humping in public. You know you shouldn't be looking, you know the dogs don't know better, buy you do look and giggle at the spectacle and wonder where their owners are.
Seems as if you have a lot going on upstairs in the curiosity category.
Have you talked about this with anyone lately?
Not quite - she's been working to keep up what little cred she has in the Republican Party.
While many tea-partiers and folks in the media look to her as a de facto leader in the tea-party, many other tea-partiers reject her, especially after she made it known at the convention that she thinks the tea-party should be merged into the Republican Party. Remember, most of them don't want anything to do with the Republicans or Democrats, but want to become a separate third party.
That's something Palin doesn't get. I think she somehow thinks she can remain in the Republican Party while keeping a foot in the tea-party, such as it is, at the same time. She won't be able to for long, IMO.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Palin_Obama_birth_certificate_a_fair_question.html
Here she is, not only saying that she thinks the Birther stuff is a "fair question," but speculating about how it's fair to do it solely for political reasons, allegedly as a response to the fact that her opponents pushed conspiracy theories about the parentage of her son (ignoring or ignorant of the fact that the Birther stuff predates any of the stories about her son's parentage).
She's therefore tried to legitimize a story, which she is now referring to as a "wild conspiracy theory." She wants to have it both ways and/or she can't make up her mind.
The Kerry and Edwards links, while not reflecting particularly well on either candidate, are irrelevant to this story and constitute hand waving on your part to distract from her statements.
Also ignored by you is the fact that Palin's fellow speaker at the Tea Party convention, Joseph Farah, was in full Birther mode and received a standing ovation for it. So obviously this issue still has traction among Palin's Tea Party demographic, even as she backs away from it.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201002060003
Farah thanked Palin for mainstreaming the Birther issue. So obviously more than us "dense" liberals think Palin has been sending out very mixed signals on this story. Maybe you should be taking it up with WorldNetDaily and the Tea Party organizers.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118176
p.s. In fairness, I've seen some more sober conservatives who are mad at Farah for bringing up the Birther stuff (because it makes the Tea Party look like a bunch of crazies), but they tend to ignore the fact that the attendees gave him loud applause for his comments.
Merely their highly paid keynote speaker.
I just believe she'll shamelessly shill for any person, group, or cable news network that's willing to pay her.
So is the Mad Hatter the head of the "Tea Party"???
and as for by laws they were probably drawn up by joseph farah in crayon.......showing just the level of maturity and brainpower teabaggers have.
If she was the spokesperson, she probably quit mid-term.
The've rejected her and everyone else who's come forward to try and lead this crowd of paranoid, misinfomred, uneducated rabble. They're nothing but a disorganzied bunch of angry hooligans who don't even understand what they're supposed to be angry about!
Whatevever. I'll stand by the prediction I made the other day: They can only screw things up for the Republicans. That's the best they can hope to accomplish: Split the vote on teh right. Turn the Republican Base against the Republicans.
And that's as it should be. The Right created this Tiger they've been riding. Now they've fallen off and are about to get mauled by it. Good riddance, I say.
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she won't turn away any opportunity to further her career, even if it means giving credence to nut cases with a totally refuted agenda.
come to think of it, what exactly is her agenda (other than making money from saps)?
where are her policy statements? "all of them"??
why is she quick to reem rahm but not rush??
she is way over her head in dealing with o'reilly and hannity. with beck, she is on an even playing field. neither one of them have any depth to their arguments, just talking points or rants.
All along people have been saying that Palin has been writing notes on her palm, but is there video footage of that? Is it really her handwriting (um, you know what I mean).
Personally, I think this goes a long way to explaining her "I read all the newpapers" reponse to Katie Couric while being inable to actually give the names of the papers. The aide extracts the articles onto Palin's hand, but her palm isn't big enough for proper crediting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuoj4eyCMWo
(Yes, I know Eric covered this. But I'm a fan of "god".)
Right good point, and further he's one of the very few who will even be heard by her potential base, the Fox audience. Media Matters, MSNBC, etc. will scream bloody murder about her, but to very little effect relative to what Bill O'Reilly just did.
[BTW, the rest of your post above is pure-D BS. Bill O'Reilly's audience is so small in relation to the number of voters who voted in the 2008 election that for you to cite him as "playing a key role" in getting Obama elected is LUDICROUS.]
Have to disagreee with that last bit soze169880. Seems to me that putting on a fellow Fox employee, especially one of their potential political players like Palin, would likely be made at a higher level than the show's host.
Should employers of birthers fire them all? Should churches of birthers excommunicate them all? I want to make it clear to birthers - this issue is not on the tea party platform - but we are not looking to hunt down and chase out the birthers because of this specific issue. If the issue defines you, find another movement.
I realize that the Republican Club's stated goal in 2009 was to "take down Pelosi and make her the demon." [It was posted on their website.] Tell, me, oh sage one, how has Pelosi "ignored the Constitution." Facts and links.
Another well researched allegation by the fartman. Keep em' comin'. I working on your top ten. Hehe!
It is healthy to make sure the Constitution is being followed.
You should be going after people like Pelosi who when asked if proposed health care legislation is Constitutional she answers "Are you kidding?"
I am satisfied with the mountain of evidence. Don't you be though.....
Pelosi's argument of not being a Constitutional scholar does not exempt her from her oath.
In line with this attitude, Bush should have offered Gore a cabinet position like Kennedy did Nixon in a much less closely contested contest.
I assume she meant she thinks it is constitutional. You brought it up, so how is it not constitutional?
BIRTHER!!
First, Obama was born in the US, as the evidence clearly shows. But, in any event, there is no requirement that the president has to be born in the USA that I know of - the president only has to be a natural-born citizen. I'm not aware that the courts have ever addressed what this means in terms of being president, as apparently the law governing the citizenship of children born outside the U.S. to one or more U.S.-citizen parents has varied over time. Did the founding fathers really intend for eligibility for president to change over time?
but then again being a birther you don't care about that fact or you wouldn't be cloaking your racisim
1) Obama's CONFIRMED birth in the State of Hawaii makes him an American citizen. [this has been confirmed repeatedly by the State of Hawaii, keep up.]
2) The Constitution IS being followed.
3) Pelosi's response, while flip, was deserved. The S.Ct. in its Helvering decision in 1937 determined that Social Security and by extension, Medicare, were Constitutional.
too pale -- impossible!
Listening to her reminds me of the teacher from the Peanuts cartoon. Wha wha! Wha wha wha wha!
Making no sense.
SMH!
Sarah is more interested in keeping a lie alive than she is about doing what is in the best interest of the Tea K K movement. How can a leader or "movement" have credibility or trust when they are willing to advocate or fight on a false foundation?
Sarah Palin is a dangerous joke in charge of leading (or misleading) misguided mentally challenged people fighting against their own self-interest.
Is it any wonder there are no blacks in this un-patriotic movement (no blacks of any significant)
No, I don't want a room with Pelosi.
No, I don't have scars from a lobotomy.
No, I never heard Fox News take the 30 minutes or so it takes to read the Constitution.
No, I am not the party of "Let's bomb the SOBs."
so....
Are you idiots being paid to write on the blog? I hope it's not on tax payer money.
I do not like people who take an oath to uphold the Constitution and then say you have to be a Constitutional scholar to actually do it.
Pelosi stepped around upholding the Constitution by saying you have to be a Constitutional scholar.
I said it takes about 30 minutes to read. I said it was healthy to make sure that the Constitution was being followed.
Where is your substance? It doesn't exist.
What's your opinion then of Bush v. Gore, where the Supreme Court decided law for one man and noting this decision should not be used as a precedent, which is quite unconstitutional?
By now it should be obvious to you that you are on the wrong site. May I suggest you join the stupid Party of no at Republicansdontgiveadamn.org?
you would fit right in because that is where you belong. Why waste your time here, where you can't relate or understand common sense?
What fun would that be? If it wasn't for posters like me, your idiotic beliefs would go unchallenged.
that president obama has met all the requirements for being president?
well he has and the birther conspiracy is wrong and racist and thats all there is to it.
No, you should go to a site where people there have something in common with you.
You may challenge my beliefs all you want, even if you make a fool of yourself, in doing so, you expose the stupidity you harbor.
Your thumb down signs should give you an indication how well you are doing here.
Your lack of recognition allows you to continue making nonsensical, irrelevent (challenge) arguments.
It's not MY opinion, you dolt, it's the opinion of the STATE OF HAWAII. Doesn't matter what his father's citizenship was or wasn't or for that matter, his mother's, even though she was an American citizen. I would think, based upon your racist posts here, that you would KNOW that any person born in the United States is a natural born American citizen. It's one of the things that Lou Dobbs is always bellyaching about . . . anchor babies.
You are one of the ignorant racists, I see.
If you check my posts, you'll never see me claim that Obama wasn't born in the USA.
I simply said it is healthy to question whether the Constitution is being followed.
If you want to jump on someone, jump on Pelosi for laughing at the Constitution.
Where's your "substance," jose2? I have seen you post NOTHING of substance here. For example, you just posted a talking point which has no basis in fact. Yes, Obama said when asked how many states he had been in during the campaign ... "50 . . . 7". He had been to 47. He made a slip of the tongue. Something you've never done EVER in your life, right?
BTW, Pelosi was laughing at the folks who asked the question regarding the Constitutionality of health care reform, not the Constitution. The S.Ct. decided the Constitutionality over 70 years ago.
BTW, I was not an Obama supporter, I would have voted for McCain, but for his unfortunate and cynical choice of the subject of this thread as his running mate.
Thanks for showing your stupidity here [wouldn't say that, but you were calling everyone who disagreed with your uninformed ranting stupid.] Have a good day.
I registered a protest vote by voting for Ralph Nader LOL!
And no, Pelosi said that you have to be a Constitutional scholar to comply with the Constitution and she would leave it up to the courts to determine its legality (an impeachable offense in my opinion.)
And to the stupidest of your statements, the Supreme Court never decided it was Constitutional to require citizens to purchase a product (health insurance) to legally exist in the USA.
Maybe to a right-wing nut like yourself. But in reality, neither of them are progressive.
BTW, you still have not given me a link to the talking point you keep using about Pelosi.
Oh, and you just gave away your stupidity and your complete lack of knowledge regarding political ideologies. McCain is no progressive and neither is Obama. Both are moderates, McCain simply leans more right than Obama. If you voted for Nader, you are NOT a conservative, either. No conservative worth his/her salt would vote for Nader, even in protest.
You are, undoubtedly one of the MOST uninformed trolls who deigns to make his presence known here.
Well, if you were a bit more of a constitutional scholar, you would know that it is the Supreme Court in this country who ultimately decides what is constitutional, not Congress. See Marbury v Madison.
Yes, we all know the Supreme Court is the ultimate authority.
That does not give Pelosi a license to pass illegal legislation.
Ultimately, though, what is or isn't constitutional can be a complex matter - and that's when the courts decide.
By the way, I hope you're incensed at those who voted to cut off Acorn's funding -- now THAT law they should have known was unconstitutional.
Pelosi used your same excuse of how complex the Constitution is. I wonder if she ever read it, are you kidding?
And where in the Constitution does it say we need to give money to ACORN? Notwithstanding I'll bet government money is being funneled to ACORN anyways.
Wow, you have mastered the strawman - of course the constitution doesn't require funding of Acorn. But remember that bit about no bills of attainder? You can't single a group out in legislation like that. Not cool.
Btw, if you think the constitution isn't complex, then I seriously doubt you've ever tried applying it to real life.
You are an idiot and probably a racist since you like to play that card.
We know that fartman is on the way!
Slaying windmills along the way!
Spewing nonsense is his way!
Americas enemies held at bay!
Fartman has saved another day!"
We got a theme song josefartman now for the outift. Bozo not using his and it just screams "YOU."