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O'Reilly discusses the "fascist" zoning laws in his home town: "[Y]ou can't put up a fence"

February 22, 2010 8:20 pm ET

From the February 22 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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    • Author by JohnnyAppleseed (February 22, 2010 8:24 pm ET)
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      Well, in all fairness, it is pretty stupid that you can't put up a fence for privacy. I live in a community where its overlooked by a board so people don't put rusty bathtubs in the front yards to decrease home values. But when they get involved to the point that you cannot protect your privacy in a fashion that includes a nice fence is pretty ridiculous.
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      • Author by soze169880 (February 22, 2010 8:53 pm ET)
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        The issue isn't the legitimacy of the laws O'Reilly is whining about. The issue is that he's such a little girl he thinks this is somehow comparable to fascism.
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      • Author by worrierking (February 22, 2010 9:58 pm ET)
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        How would Bill feel if his next door neighbor opened an auto repair shop in his garage?

        Fascist zoning laws would prevent this. It's pretty dumb to buy a house and not understand the zoning regulations.
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      • Author by bintx (February 22, 2010 10:28 pm ET)
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        In all fairness, O'Reilly called it "fascism," it is not. Fascism is another term which has been used incorrectly so much since November 2008 [like "hate" from 2003 until 2008} that it's true meaning has become diminished. Fascism is a specific vile form of totalitarianism. O'Reilly is ticked because the zoning laws say he can't put up a fence . . . zoning laws aren't fascism.
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        • Author by dogbreath (February 22, 2010 11:32 pm ET)
             
          Everything that Republicans can't understand or can't change are now defined as fascism. It has become the new "it" word. I wonder what we will see with the new spring season approaching.
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      • Author by mjh (February 22, 2010 11:43 pm ET)
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        "Well, in all fairness, it is pretty stupid that you can't put up a fence for privacy. I live in a community where its overlooked by a board so people don't put rusty bathtubs in the front yards to decrease home values. But when they get involved to the point that you cannot protect your privacy in a fashion that includes a nice fence is pretty ridiculous."


        Don't like the rules made by the board? Feel free to move elsewhere . . .



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        • Author by John Paradox (February 23, 2010 3:30 pm ET)
             
          Alternately, attend HOA meetings and vote for the Board members instead of b!tching and moaning.
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    • Author by soze169880 (February 22, 2010 8:39 pm ET)
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    • Author by Midnight Kevin (February 22, 2010 8:50 pm ET)
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      It is especially funny because conservatives tend to defend homeowners associations because they are a corporation representing capitalism and the free market. To legislate HOAs to protect homeowners is an attack against limited government and capitalism, so conservatives tend to side with government not doing anything to protect from the injustices of HOAs...
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      • Author by Dradeeus (February 22, 2010 9:35 pm ET)
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        Yes, thank you. There are quite a few Homeowner societies in the country, (especially down south, which I visited recently with my parents, looking for a house) that are very, VERY conservative in their mannerisms and beliefs.

        Also, to me, the idea of conformity in an "old, Americana fashion," such as banning solar panels, because it disrupts a "Leave It To Beaver" feel of the neighborhood, screams "conservative" to me.
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        • Author by Bongo Fury (February 22, 2010 10:23 pm ET)
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          Isn't this special.Two rich malcontents whining about their wealthy neighborhoods.If I lived where they do,I'd go to a junk yard and buy a rusted out car body and keep it in my driveway with a "Anteeks 4 Sayl" sign on it.
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        • Author by Midnight Kevin (February 23, 2010 8:13 pm ET)
             
          Florida has some of the most HOAs and hopefully lawmakers start catching on to their scheme. I have had my fair share of problem with those types of corporations, and the State is finally looking into HOA info, but they are unregulated. I had a problem and was bounced around from the attorney general to the department of business and professional regulation to the federal trade commission... None have jurisdiction and each time I returned my call, I was told to lawyer up and fight for something that was not my fault, which would in the end cost me thousands of dollars just to defend my property rights...

          I have no sympathy for conservatives who cry about "fascist" zoning laws.
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      • Author by shaggles (February 23, 2010 11:53 am ET)
           
        Sorry but I can't listen to the audio. Is this about HOA covenants? That's completely differant from zoning laws.
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        • Author by Midnight Kevin (February 24, 2010 10:59 am ET)
             
          He was not discussing HOAs, but considering how he mentioned that he is not allowed to build a fence or have to cut his lawn a certain way reminded me of HOAs, a form of private government, but can contain similar restrictive rules.

          O'Reilly lives in Manhasset, a suburb of New York known for high end premium shops along it's Northern Boulevard, referenced in a Billy Joel song as the "Miracle Mile". Manhasset is populated with man upscale houses and is home to numerous famous people. They have also been ranked as one of the best places to raise a family by The Wall Street Journal, so it is no wonder that they restrict such things as fences. The city is trying to maintain that "wealthy" look, which in my opinion, the city looks nice, but in order to create a community image, they infringe on one's property rights. If O'Reilly doesn't like such "fascist" rule, he should either do something about it, like go to a city council meeting and rally supporters. He also has the means to move but I'm assuming that he moved into the community knowing what they do and do not allow, so why is he complaining?
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    • Author by gary kaposta (February 22, 2010 10:38 pm ET)
         
      My suggestion to all the complainers about zoning/building restrictions is this...... move to Haiti.

      I lived on the 23 rd floor of a high rise in downtown LA when the Northridge quake struck. Our bldg went straight up in the air what seemed like a foot...the building sustained hardly any damge and was never closed down for a moment.

      Fascist zoning laws would forbid O'Reilly from having a show.
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    • Author by Les Philling (February 22, 2010 11:30 pm ET)
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      I understand MMFA's point that he doesn't understand what "fascist" means but I don't think this is a fair criticism. First he made the comment in conversation, not with luxury of time which one has when writing a blog post, for example. Second he used the word in the context of making a defense of President Obama against a rabid partisan - IMO he was likely exaggerating to make his defense stronger.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (February 23, 2010 12:35 am ET)
         

      "Don't people do that now with zoning laws? In a town where I live, you can't put up a fence! I mean, they run the government where I live, like a fascist would run it! They tell you what you can and can't do, how the lawn has to be cut a certain way, this and that..."


      Where I live there are zoning laws too, I think there are zoning laws where everyone lives.

      It's simply part of something we live under that's generally called 'Law and Government'.

      As far as the people who make the zoning laws, where I live any particular zoning law or even a variance, could actually come up as an Article at Town Meeting (in truth such things never do come up at TM, but they could, we as the electorate could actually vote directly on such a thing, if we wanted to), but zoning issues belong to the Planning Board, and those people are elected by us to that board.

      That's not simply 'Law and Government', that's called 'Democracy'.

      We elect people to make the Laws, and we also elect people to enforce those Laws, or otherwise administer our Government, and it's all part of a grand but wonderful scheme called 'Law and Government', with the most wonderful part being our own direct and indirect participation in the making and enforcing of the Law, which is called 'Democracy'.

      I'd think this stuff was too simple and obvious to have to explain to any so-called adult of even the most basic education.

      And oh, bill o'reilly is a liar, and he's trying to deceive you.

      He lied when he said "they [his town's Government] tell you ...how the lawn has to be cut a certain way."

      Unless he wants to be more specific about that little unbelievable tidbit, I conclude that it's a lie and he's a liar, his town doesn't tell him "the lawn has to be cut a certain way."

      And if it did, then he should go to Town Meeting and complain about it there, maybe propose an Article for his fellow townsfolk's consideration, or maybe just vote the Planning Board (or whoever) out of office... it's called 'Democracy' and 'Law and Government', not fascism.

      Also, unless he wants to more specific about what kind of fence he wants to build (an electric fence?), I think he lied there too, I think it's a lie that "you can't put up a fence" where he lives.

      bill o'reilly is a liar, he lied in the above video clip.

      I bet that's probably too simple and obvious a truth to have to explain to you, if you have even the most basic education in these things, if you have any knowledge at all of him and of Fox News Channel.
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      • Author by Midnight Kevin (February 24, 2010 11:06 am ET)
           
        Similarly, my HOA does not like chain link fences because the board believes them to be lower class, and some in the neighborhood were pushing for only vinyl fences, thinking wood was also lower class. Some localities in Europe have building codes that prevent certain types of structures from being erected within city walls to keep modern structures out of their old world town. It is all how the local government chooses to operate, and if residents don't like it, they can fight it.

        I am certain O'Reilly knew what he was getting into when he moved into his wealthy suburb on New York, and considering his type of personality, I am sure that he was for such restrictive regulations where he lives.
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