Beck mocks Rep. Slaughter's story: "I've read the Constitution ... I didn't see that you had a right to teeth"
February 26, 2010 9:56 am ET
From the February 26 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:
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Also, I'd like to point out that the Constitution doesn't give anyone rights, nor does the State. We are born with rights and those are supposed to be protected from the government's taking by the Constitution.
I'd like to hear their take on now having been taught by a President. Or I'd even like to read some of his pages.
I think that the Dean of the UC Irvine School of Law is more in tune with what the Constitution says than an uneducated, nearly illiterate Zoo Radio DJ like Beck.
You may speak of the founding fathers if you like, and what their intentions were. You can claim that it is progressives who don't like the Constitution. I will remind you it was George W. Bush, a sitting President, who famously said "Quit throwing the Constitution in my face! It's only a (expletive deleted) piece of paper!" because he wanted to be THE DECIDER.
There is no such thing as a 'free market government'. Free market economy? Yes. Laissez-faire capitalism? Yes. Free market government? Not so much. By 'this form of government', I can only assume you mean our current government, which is a democratic republic, where the people who are of age elect representatives who are then tasked with making the law that governs our nation. What do you think has really changed in our government since January 20, 2009? You suddenly seem afraid of a government that is not committed to illegally wire-tapping you, and who is unwilling to strip you of your citizenship without show of cause, holding you indefinitely without benefit of trial or counsel, and killing you or torturing you, simply because they feel like it. That was the Bush, Cheney & Co. way, and Obama is working hard to undo all of that, and good for him.
There is no such thing as a democratic republic! And I quote: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And, to the REPUBLIC to which it stands.......
Facts, folks!
Does Glenn Beck support the slave trade or is he just an "idiot"?
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909230042
Madison, Hamilton, etc. didn't care what precedents were set by people living in the 1560s, understanding that the world had changed dramatically since then. Yet we are supposed to hold off on important progressive change because "many believe" that someone who has been dead for 200 years may not approve. Give me a break.
I was going to post a link, but it is long and ugly. If you're interested in reading the text, you can find it easily on google books. The entirety of the paper is there for free :). I believe you should also be able to download a pdf, though I've not found it again for the purpose of this post.
Regards.
I was going to post a link, but it is long and ugly. If you're interested in reading the text, you can find it easily on google books. The entirety of the paper is there for free :). I believe you should also be able to download a pdf, though I've not found it again for the purpose of this post.
Regards.
In case you were sleeping in history class, the founding fathers were progressives and the Tories were the conservatives.
And one of the most famous Torries of all was Benedict Arnold. So the current-day conservatives can trace their roots back to one of the greatest traitors our country ever had...
Even some few years after the Constitution was created, there were arguments about the general welfare clause, right? I'm sorry I cannot remember details off hand.
From what I've read, the difference to which I referred stems from a difference in opinion of whether our rights are natural and protected from the government, or our rights are only ours because the government so bequeaths.
Now, I'm not trying to say that the current-day conservatives are in any way consistent. I'd argue that most of them pick and choose from what and when to promote the Constitution the same way most progressives do.
Your precious free market hasn't existed in America since the days of the robber barons when our children worked twelve hour shifts in our mines and factories.
Limits placed on the free market have taken kids out of the mines and put them into schools. Limits have given us the weekend, the vacation and health insurance.
Like Beck, you know nothing of history. You take issues important to Americans today and through some kind of teabagger seance, tell us how Thomases Paine and Jefferson would oppose the people and side with big business.
Corporate America is more like King George's England and I doubt any of the founding fathers would agree with anything that you self proclaimed "patriots" are pushing these days.
Please be more entertaining when you're parroting talking points.
- Soren Kierkegaard
I've even heard a couple of Republicans admit it. If this message becomes clear to the public, can Republicans appeal to anyone beyond the Teabaggers?
Then, 23 minutes later, you say you know that you're paying for it now and aren't happy about it.
Contradict yourself much?
Nothing changes. We've been paying for them and we will be paying for them. The difference is, through preventative care because these people can see a doctor before it becomes an emergency, we'll by payin LESS.
Are you not for reducing health care costs?
It's mainly offset by the lowering of overhead from 30% for private insurers to 3-5% for government insurance.
Why do you support insurance company profits and CEO salaries over a fellow citizen's dental health?
B)The CEO's salary is no one's business but his. He earned it, Slaughter's imaginary friend did not.
C)Where in the Constitution does it say I have to care ?
Really!! Are you being serious or facetious? Do you really not understand that absesses of the teeth/jaw due to bad teeth which are VERY costly to maintain for those with half or no dental coverage can lead to severe infections which can lead to stroke and possibly death? Sheesh!
Dropping bombs is rarely the answer.
Do you know what the goal of Al Qaeda is?
nope, none of that matters. it's that they hate us for our FREEDOM!!!!
If you were there back then, would you have opposed going to war with Hitler ?
Careful there, Dave, you may be that neighbor one of these days.
Right, Dave. And, this is important. This is the actual argument that the right continues to avoid. You believe that those without health insurance and that cannot afford their healthcare be denied care. You want your neighbors to be forced to die in the street if they cannot afford their care. At least you admit it. I can think of very few things more unAmerican in my opinion, but at least you admit it and proclaim your callousness for all to see.
Right now, we cover those who cannot afford health insurance at the highest possible rates with the least positive outcomes. We treat them in ERs rather than through family physicians. We churn them out of hospitals as soon as possible rather than keep them as long as their condition may dictate.
What you are arguing for, what the right-wing is arguing for is a free-market healthcare. Well, the free market would deny care to those who cannot afford it. Anyone who has ever taken a simple Macro Economics course clearly understands this. At least you admit you want to deny care to those who are sick and poor. Your politicians on the right refuse to admit as much. I wish they would. I doubt they would find much support for it. But, at least they would be honest.
I've even heard a couple of Republicans admit it. If this message becomes clear to the public, can Republicans appeal to anyone beyond the Teabaggers? --nerzog"
It didn't take me long to pick up on this very thing as I was watching last night's coverage of the summit. I don't even know if they will appeal to the Teabaggers for much longer.
James 3:14 - But if in your heart you are jealous, bitter, and selfish, don't sin against the truth by boasting of your wisdom.
O but Beck claims to be a Mormon, right? Well then:
Book of Moroni 10:21-2 - and except ye have charity ye can in no wise be saved in the kingdom of God...
By the way, grunt, charity comes from the French "charite" for the Latin word "caritas" which wiktionary defines as: Christian love; representing God's love of man, man's love of God, or man's love of his fellow-men. Or in the words of the 5th Century Catholic hymn "Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est."
Where there are good and love, God is there.
Your argument is well reasoned, and well researched. However, you are arguing with an idiot.
Obviously, you're not referring to the Faux blackboarder.
(Hey, thought of a new 'enhanced interrogation': fingernails on blackboards!)
An Amendment to the Constitution is part of the Constitution.
Yeah, that'll be good for the consumer driven economy that we have. You really need to bone up on your economic theory.
How is this better than an income tax?
So, taxes and the ability to collect them were in the original document.
Ahhhhhhhhhh, then that explains the past 8 years.
I really don't believe we should be judging anybody by their religion.
Let he without sin cast the first stone....
Here's one for you, if you want to go down this path, I don't think any Catholic should receive Communion if they support the Pro Death movement. Paging Patrick Kennedy.....
It's so easy for those who HAVE to talk smack about those who HAVE NOT.
They are laughing at fellow Americans who's lives, and the quality of it is seriously impacted by their lack of affordable health care.It is demeaning, humiliating and dehumanizing. I don't get the audience they think they are appealing too.
By advising them that they are paying for everyone else's coverage. Its simply not my problem to pay for your dentures.
What is the point of making fun of people less fortunate? If they are happy with what they have, fine. But why do this - the herd mentality?
I just don't get it, and it disgusts me.
You might have a point there. I don't know why they do it, either. Maybe it is a coping mechanism, after all, I got mine, so it can't be all that hard, why can't you go and get your own. If I laugh at you and put you down, I can live with your not having something. Think of teenagers mocking the nerdy kids. They feel superior during an awkward time of life. Fortunately for the nerds, they often turn out very nicely, sometimes they end up as the boss.
What a pig you are.
That's all you needed to say. <sigh>
refreshing to see it come out so blatantly sometimes
I thought that "its all about me" was the very DEFINITION of selfishness.
I personally don't care what happens to him/her.
Is cold life-threatening? Are you willing to pay higher taxes so that people can get subsidized heating oil in the Northeast and Midwest, even though you can pay for your own heat? Or is that not your problem, either?
What about education? I don't have any children, so should I have to pay for public schools? Would it be life-threatening if public schools closed down in order to save us some money?
Is unemployment life threatening? If you lose your job, should you be limited only to the fund that was set aside in lieu of wages while you worked? Should you be cut off when that fund is exhausted?
Where do you draw the line? Seriously. How far do you want to take this? Because Progressives know how far we are willing to take it. Nobody should be denied health care, food, shelter, or education because of their lack of ability to pay. We believe those are human rights, and human rights are more important that your individual right to amass personal wealth. I'm pretty proud of my philosophy, even you refer to me and others who agree with me as "libs," as if that's some kind of put-down. I wonder how you sleep at night with yours.
Your whine infact irritates me because the money used for social programs and peoples well being amount to a fraction of the budget. Most of the spending goes into military spending and wasted weapons programs that enrich the powerful and wealthy. A Robin Hood in reverse. You are subsidzing the rich and powerful yet you foolishly fret over dentures for a poor lady. There is no other way to put it but to say you are S-T-U-P-I-D. Makkes absolutley no sense to kick the person less able to defend themselves while the military industrial complex has their collective feet up your behind and hands in your pocket. It makes you feel better to whine go ahead,just don't go crying about being called what you are . your just a selfish prick that one time or another will need the services you want to deny others,and at that you will be a selfish hyprocritical prick. Lets hope it's still there when you need it.
I don't know what your fixation is about twinkies and pizza,unless you are implying that those who receive assistance are lazy. How fricking condescending of you. Unemployment 10% and 6 applicants for every job doesn't sound like laziness unless your Ebonezer Scrooge. Since 10% of the poor are children how about we do away with assistance for them and scrub child labor laws. wouldn't want them getting fat and lazy laying around eating twinkies and pizza 24/7.
Either it is your principles or it is not. You have made it clear that you do not believe that this woman getting dentures to avoid all the possible illnesses that come along with a lack of teeth (that can even be life threatening). So, that either does not qualify or you are completely ignorant of the basic health values that come with teeth. Is that your issue? Complete ignorance? Or complete callousness? Or is it both??
I didn't make up any of those examples I listed. They are all real life events, happening RIGHT NOW. How are they "extremes?"
You "libertarians" are such cowards. Get called on your BS, and you whine and run, every time.
You simply don't get that you don't live in a god d**ned jungle where it's Every Dave For Himself. Your taxes have not gone up under Obama (save us the "my taxes have gone up" lie, please- they haven't,) but as the population increases and more people need services, they will. And you will have to eat it. When you die, you will be free from paying taxes, and you can explain to your Maker why you spent your life on Earth in a constant, seething rage that you were actually forced to contribute to the welfare of others. I hope that conversation goes well.
Dave, I guess that the most important benefit would be that caring would indicate that you have a soul. I'm honestly really appalled that anyone would dig in their heels and be so consciously and deliberately uncaring. I feel so sorry for you.
But it can be ... abssessed teeth lead to severe infections ... severe infections can lead to stroke and even death. Is that really so hard to understand?
Shouldn't you plan ahead and have a garden hose ready?
Let me fix this for you, Dave:
"By advising them that they are paying for an unnecessary war in Iraq. Its simply not my problem to pay for a war I don't believe in."
There.
BTW, conservatism is defined by adherence to traditional values. Traditionally, in THIS country, we help our neighbors who are in need. I'm guessing that you are not really a conservative. You might actually try reading the Constitution instead of believing the crap you're being fed on Fox/hate talk radio. It has absolutely NO basis in conservative thought. As Ailes said, he's in the "ratings" business . . . no news, no fact, just "ratings."
Good one!
Come on, Mr. Patriot. Stop participating in this unfair system.
Oh wait, I forgot- you blowhards are all talk, just like all Libertarians. You breathe fire about limited government, then go off and use all the services you claim you shouldn't have to be paying for. Phoniest BSers on the planet.
I noticed you had no response to George Washington using the free labor from his slaves to help accumulate his wealth. Why do you ignore this?
WOW! Your obvious ignorance of the Constitution and of basic federal laws is staggering. Please keep going. I find you Beckers and your inability to think for yourselves staggering.
Not sure why you mentioned Maddow . . . I don't watch her and she's totally irrelevant to the conversation.
Tell me what you believe conservatism is.
Conservatism is adherence to traditional values, is about less government interference in our personal lives. That describes my personal beliefs. Conservatism is NOT about "I've got mine, leave me the hell alone and get your own." That's just selfishness. Selfishness has no political ideology.
bintx, I think Glenn Beck is working on that problem even as we speak ;)
Let's take this a little further and stop paying to reattach limbs or fingers. It isn't a life-threatening condition, right? I mean who needs a good set of teeth? Or a thumb? or...I hope you might have the insight to see where this would lead us?
or who had their limb blown off by a IED in Iraq?
Davy is probably the best poster boy for I Got Mine I've seen anywhere.
the dismantling of regulatory reforms and a willful neglect and destruction of the governmental bodies responsible for protecting us,ignoring the lessons learned from the past during the Great Depression,has led us to the precipice of another. Proving the old axiom of those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Less interference is what got us here.
Small government may have been adequate for a country of small farming communities but it will neither work nor is it feasible or viable in todays world, the problems and challenges we face are to grave and big to be tackled individually. like it or not we can't go back,never,you don't even want it,just whinning like a petulant child. infact what you propose is a fantasy,really never existed in modern times. you have no model to draw from because it never existed,which is why all you can do is whine and throw back cliches.
OK. Never mind, Dave. Now it is obvious. Much like your hero, Beck, you are completely unable to even grasp the Constitution or how it works. Have fun looking through the Constitution for everything you want to do or not do.
"Kitman shows how Washington brilliantly turned his noble gesture of refusing payment for his services as commander in chief of the Continental Army into an opportunity to indulge his insatiable lust for fine food and drink, extravagant clothing, and lavish accommodations."
Some slaves managed to work and earn money and buy their freedom. I bet Dave has nothing but contempt for the slaves who weren't able to do that, and died in slavery. Lazy bums.
Let's see the figures, kid.
What do insurance companies bring to the table regarding health care?
Longer wait times - fail.
Paying for people other than yourself and your family - your already doing that now.
Triple fail.
Since you admit the insurance companies do nothing in regards to health care, why do you insist on keeping the staus quo where insurance companies keep 30 cents out of every premium dollar for overhead (profits/CEO salaries)?
You're spewing talking points with no basis in fact, dave. That's not conservatism, that's just being uninformed.
Oh, and when I was having all my health problems a few years ago, I had to wait six months to see the specialist who performed my last surgery.
Uh, no, that's not what the bill says. That's what I'd like to do, because the larger the pool, the lower the premiums through diffused risk.
The bill being debated now adds way less than 31 million.
You should learn what the proposed bill actually says, not what Fox and hate radio say.
By adding these people to the insurance rolls, you decrease the number of 'emergency' visits because people now have insurance to get their health taken care of while also having a good chance of decreasing your insurance premium with their addition. Not to mention the social justice of helping those who need it.
Yeah, that'll vastly increase wait times. Not.
We've been through this crap before already- yes, if more people have access to the doctor, the wait time to see that doctor will increase. I can't believe that is actually your talking point, because you are basically arguing that the fewer people have health care, the better it is for DAVE, and that's a good thing.
Since people already receive care, insured or not, there is no need to add more doctors. What is being considered is not how to care for those without insurance, but how to PAY for it. Currently, those without insurance get paid, then the hospital or care provider has to go through collections to settle the debt, and will probably end up writing it off if the person in question can't even declare bankruptcy. But, they provided a service, which cost them man hours and supplies, and that cost must be recouped or they will eventually go out of business themselves, right? So, they pass those costs along to people who DO have insurance, causing their rates to go up. See the problem? Now, with everybody's bill guaranteed to be paid, collections will no longer be necessary, the care providers costs will go down, and with nonprofit competition, those savings will be passed along to people with insurance. The end result of a public option? Your private insurance will be cheaper.
But, even if you see a 2% tax hike on the money you make (this is, I believe, the maximum proposed, and only applicable to people who choose not to carry ANY insurance, like Rush Limbaugh), don't you find that a small price to pay to give 45,000 Americans hope of maybe not dying from lack of coverage?
Somehow, this made me think that Davy plays Grand Theft Auto.
Like I said, just food for thought.
"Na-na-nana-na," said while wiggling thumb on nose. Jeebus, what an idiot.
Does the Constitution say anything about insurance fraud?
Does it say anything about urinating in public?
Okay I can offically call this a rant!
[Side note: the "Lord's Prayer" or Paternoster, is apparently an 'outline' or 'sample' IMHO. The specific words are not what's important, but the concept behind them.]
That`s why we have dentists: To remover your teeth that you might live in wonderful tooth-less bliss.
*This message brough to you by Glen Beck and the Movement For A Toothless America, a wholly owned subsidiary of Cadbury, Inc.
What's the matter, you didn't think Dave was being stupid enough on his own?
enjoy the stupidity
Freedom is what I want along with a social safety net to provide for those in TRUE need. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business, but, if your behavior is damaging to you and yours, quit being so damned surprised if the people around you don't want to pay for your stupidity.
Health care costs are rising and have been for decades, so, people start yelling about whose fault it is, rather than addressing the problems causing the costs to rise.
Could Tort reform bring down costs? Yes
Could allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines and compete with each other bring down insurance costs? Yes
Could allowing me to buy a simple catastrophic health plan be cheaper than a comprehensive plan that covers everything from hang-nails on up? Yes
But, the State tells the insurance companies what they have to cover and where they can sell and people are surprised that insurance costs go up?
The Federal Government refuses to enforce our borders and our emergency rooms are flooded with the uninsured illegal aliens and hospitals close along our borders and again people are surprised?
You go to the emergancy room and the hospital can't refuse treatment and people say people are dying from lack of healthcare, now, you're being willfully ignorant.
You can't afford dentures? Are you nuts? With all the competing dentists out there that are willing to set up payment plans and give freely of their services, you write to your congressman to ask for a handout from your neighbors tax dollars?
The sob stories from both sides of the arguement are political theatre that obscure the facts of government interference causing a lot of the problems in the first place and the cries of how we need to take care of our neighbors seem to come from people who try to take the moral high ground in an arguement in which they could'nt care less about their neighbors and they merely push their condesending attitude that they know better than the rest of us peasents and we should learn to mind our place and just shut up cause deep down they just want POWER. This is an addiction that I have never understood and I never will, but, I'll keep fighting these people who wish to take my freedoms away in the name of social justice and I always will.
Yep, I think you touched on all of them. Thanks for swooping in, Masked Crusader of Freedom. Keep fighting the good fight. Try not to get your cape too dirty.
I dread hearing what he says next to top this loathsome remark. It's only a matter of time before he does.
How on Earth does anyone take this guy seriously?