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Fox's Keith Ablow: Withdrawal of study linking vaccines to autism is "the global warming, if you will, of autism"

February 27, 2010 11:13 am ET

From the February 27 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends Saturday:

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    • Author by Bongo Fury (February 27, 2010 11:27 am ET)
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      Withdrawal from conservatism causes compassion and loss of total linear thought..just sayin'
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    • Author by Dem02020 (February 27, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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      It seems that this intensely private and personal health issue (heart wrenching to the parents and family involved) is not yet well enough understood, to be casually invoking it as a political issue, or using it as a 'touchstone' if you will, in comparison to other political issues. As far as the study is concerned, and the appearance of it and other things seeming to qualify this health problem as a political issue, I'm under the impression that a physical (or physiological) disposition of autism, outside of the obvious behavioral and cognitive symptoms, is yet to be determined. And so if there can be no tissue damage or other physical damage located so far, then how can there be any substance, vaccine or toxin or whatever, causing it? Anyway, these people in the video clip and elsewhere in the media, they are emotionally disconnected and sickly insensitive, to toss this heart wrenching health issue around like it was just another political football. We unfortunately don't yet understand autism well enough, to be attributing a cause to it.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (February 27, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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      I thought autism was a fraud and money racket according to these people...
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (February 27, 2010 12:01 pm ET)
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      Fox's Keith Ablow: Withdrawal of study linking vaccines to autism is "the global warming, if you will, of autism"

      I guess this fool was talking to Michael Savage. I mean the both of them claim to be doctors and know how to treat children with Autism!

      SMH!
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    • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 12:14 pm ET)
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      I think I need to revise my list of MMFA templates. This one falls under
      4. An statement - fact or opinion - that has nothing to do with a commentator's conservative background.

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      • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 12:43 pm ET)
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        autisim is being portrayed as something that could be fake like global warming.

        its getting the drumbeat started to claim autisim doesn't exist and the last person to do that was micheal savage.

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        • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 1:00 pm ET)
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          Who's making the argument that autism doesn't exist? I don't listen to Savage that often but I did happen to catch one segment where he was talking about it. It was clear that he believes most autism cases are a result of misdiagnosis (whether that's true or not I have no clue), not that it doesn't exist.
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          • Author by soze169880 (February 27, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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            "Autism is a fraud." Exact quote. If you're going to defend a psychopath like Weiner, you're even fouler than I thought.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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              Autism can be a fraud and exist at the same time. It's telling that you only post three words in that quote. Could the rest of it perhaps prove you wrong that he was claiming autism doesn't exist?
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              • Author by soze169880 (February 27, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
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                It's also telling that you think "autism is a fraud" is three words. Glenn Beck self-edjukatin' for the win.
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 1:46 pm ET)
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                  Good job. You "got" me missing the letter 'a'. Hope that makes you feel better. As if nobody on the Internet has ever misread or mistyped. Ever.
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                  • Author by soze169880 (February 27, 2010 2:57 pm ET)
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                    I really question the wisdom of accusing me of equivocating and splitting hairs after you come out with a gem like "Autism can be a fraud and exist at the same time". By your logic, I guess James Inhofe believes in global warming.
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                    • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 3:04 pm ET)
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                      you come out with a gem like "Autism can be a fraud and exist at the same time
                      Autism is neural development disorder mostly caused by genetics. We can see this; study this; research it. We can do all these things with medical technology to prove that it does exist in one form or another. The hysteria (or "getting the drumbeat started" as one poster said) is what is fraudulent. Savage made the case that either many or the majority of autism diagnoses are wrong. I don't know the evidence he presented or even why he thinks this. I'm simply confirming that nobody that I know of is claiming autism doesn't exist.
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                      • Author by afriend (February 27, 2010 3:18 pm ET)
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                        Mag: Seriously, argue what you want, but citing Savage is weak. "I don't know the evidence..." The likelihood that Savage used actual evidence for any of his arguments is slim to nil.
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                        • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 3:35 pm ET)
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                          I never cited Savage. I simply said from the small part I heard he was making the case that many of the autism diagnoseses(?) were fraudulent. It was in response to someone else claiming that he said autism itself didn't exist.
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                          • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 3:47 pm ET)
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                            if there was a fraud it was him trying to make the case autism doesnt exist. he lied pure and simple.
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                            • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 4:03 pm ET)
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                              Just read this and listen to the audio and tell me Michael Savage believes autism doesn't exist. Stop forming your opinion on someone based on what MMFA decides to post. He spent an entire show taking calls from parents and doctors concerning autism so stop acting like he claimed autism doesn't exist and said nothing else on it.
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                              • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 5:22 pm ET)
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                                he only did that because he offended enoguh people with what he said that he was forced to do it. he was insensitive and your defense of his actions are tone deaf as his comments.
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                              • Author by christopher howard (February 28, 2010 9:05 am ET)
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                                "Just read this and listen to the audio and tell me Michael Savage believes autism doesn't exist..."

                                CYA from his earlier stupid and venal comments. I'm unimpressed, and you are all too easily impressed when the talker is a right-wing scumbag like Savage.
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                              • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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                                I heard the a** with my own ears when he made his original statement, Beck-clone. He had to go back, as Savage often does [and Limbaugh and your duplicate] and deny what everyone had heard him say in the first place.

                                Nice try, but you fail, as usual.
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                      • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 3:27 pm ET)
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                        savage does not ahve a degree that is in any way closely related to autism studies

                        he doesnt know what he is talking about and neither do you.

                        i have more knoweldge on this subject in my pinky finger than you do in your entire body.

                        you are wrong. and if you dont think savage tried to misrepresent what autism is, i gave you your quote.
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                      • Author by rumpleteasermom (February 27, 2010 6:57 pm ET)
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                        Savage made the case that either many or the majority of autism diagnoses are wrong.


                        He thinks that because he only wants to acknowledge severe non-verbal autism as autism. Honestly, I think part of the problem stems from rolling several disorders together on a spectrum and calling it the "Autism Spectrum" Had they rolled it together and called it "Neuro-Developmental Spectrum" or some such, there would be less confusion about the variety of disorders.

                        And yes, I am highly offended when people use this topic as a political football.
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                      • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:24 pm ET)
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                        Wow, you're truly amazing. You just gave a diagnosis for autism that even most researchers are unwilling to give. While most researchers think that it is probably partially genetic, the fact of the matter is that NOBODY knows what caused autism for certain.

                        Did you read that in one of the "public" library books?
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              • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 3:24 pm ET)
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                "Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot"-michael savage.

                how's that for a quote.

                autisim exists, you wanna look me or my parents in the eye and say to them you think savage might be right about autism?
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 4:05 pm ET)
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                  I already responded to another of your posts but I'll link it again here in order to educate you on what Michael Savage believes.

                  Source
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                  • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 5:14 pm ET)
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                    ummmmm your wrong again.......if this whol issue wasn't so personal i would have just written you off as an idiot. but you insist on keeping this going.

                    i provided you with a perfecct quote from his own show about what he thinks about autisim. now yes he does have a list of quotes talking about it and such which does moderate things just a bit. but see here is the problem.

                    the CDC a government agency at least 3years ago, that would have been under the previous administration came out and said that 1 in 150 children born now are diagnosed with autism. and he had the nerve to say the quote i provided, which was his bullcrap opinion without evidence. and the one clip from that list thats tryingg to make himn sound a bit better thats the opinion of one doctor who he could get.

                    so you have a government agency's data vs michael savage and one doctor. are you honestly trying to say here that savage is more believeable than the CDC? keep defending this bullcrap. your wrong, you will be wrong and unless you live with autism like i do on a daily basis you will always be wrong!
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                    • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 5:24 pm ET)
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                      I'm not wrong because I'm using what he meant to say and what he actually believes. You are wrong because you are sticking to that first quote you found which he admitted was poorly phrased. You believe that Savage can't possibly have misspoken and that he truly believes autism doesn't exist despite quote after quote to the contrary. You and Savage share common beliefs but, because it's Michael Savage, you refuse to recognize them.
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                      • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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                        he never apologized. he just said he was taken out of context, which was crap. he has never retracted what he said, as he should and apologized as he should have.

                        saying it was poorly phrased is not an apology, its a cop out. the day he apologizes, which will never happen, i will be ok with listening to him then
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                      • Author by rumpleteasermom (February 27, 2010 7:05 pm ET)
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                        Dr. Savage has clarified that his July 16th statements concerning autism were not directed at those who are in fact challenged by this horrible affliction, but were instead addressing efforts to broaden the concept of autism beyond those who truly are autistic to a broader "autistic spectrum" of behavioral symptoms which are also manifested by persons who do not suffer from autism


                        So, yes, he was trying to claim that only those with low-functioning autism should be diagnoses and the rest of us should just suck it up. He is only willing to recognize one little end of the spectrum. I resent that because I live with the ramifications of an Asperger's diagnosis every single day.

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                        • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 7:12 pm ET)
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                          i suspect my brother may have it as well, he is diagnosed with mild autism spedctrum disorder. though he is quite brilliant and creative
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                        • Author by MagCynic (February 27, 2010 7:43 pm ET)
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                          So, yes, he was trying to claim that only those with low-functioning autism should be diagnoses and the rest of us should just suck it up.
                          You're twisting everything he's saying around. He wasn't talking about people who actually are autistic (low level or not). He was talking about people who were misdiagnosed - for various reasons - as autistic. Quote:"which are also manifested by persons who do not suffer from autism"

                          It's akin to that episode of South Park where all the kids were diagnosed with ADD.
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                          • Author by soze169880 (February 27, 2010 9:44 pm ET)
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                            And there's the right-wing enthusiasm for citing fiction as evidence. What's the matter, did Jack Bauer not have an opinion on this one?
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                            • Author by MagCynic (February 28, 2010 12:55 am ET)
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                              I enjoy being so much more right than you. Only someone such as yourself can see direct quotes as works of fiction. Think about what I say. I have a feeling if you post incorrectly in response to this you will make yourself look very stupid.
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                              • Author by christopher howard (February 28, 2010 9:29 am ET)
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                                "You're twisting everything he's saying around. He wasn't talking about people who actually are autistic (low level or not)."

                                What part of... "Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is." ...do you not understand?

                                Savage went way off the deep end, as he so often does, in both cruelty and dishonesty with that statement. He then had to go back and revise his statements in light of the furor they caused. I had some respect for some of your arguments, MagCynic, but your twisting in the wind to defend Savage's indefensible statement is disgusting.
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                                • Author by MagCynic (February 28, 2010 10:07 am ET)
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                                  So you're telling me there is no possible way that Savage poorly worded what he was originally thinking? That's pretty much the point of disagreement here, isn't it? You are going by his original statement. I'm going by his what he says he actually meant. You are shutting down any notion of him actually making an honest mistake in phrasing. I suppose everything you've ever said in your entire life came out exactly how you planned it.
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                                  • Author by christopher howard (February 28, 2010 10:15 am ET)
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                                    No, I'm saying that Savage has a long history of making way over-the-top statements. His original statement was pretty definitive. "I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is." This is not open to misinterpretation.

                                    He either "didn't mean it" and was talking out of his butt (as he so often does), or he meant it and then cravenly tried to cover his tracks. The guy is paid huge bucks to be a professional communicator. If he makes statements that are 180 degrees from what he actually believes, maybe he should hang it up.
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                                    • Author by christopher howard (February 28, 2010 10:25 am ET)
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                                      "I suppose everything you've ever said in your entire life came out exactly how you planned it."

                                      No, but I can truthfully say that I have never attacked victims of a horrible disease before. It takes a special type of creepy misanthrope like Savage to do that.
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                                      • Author by MagCynic (February 28, 2010 10:55 am ET)
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                                        Well I choose to go by the three hour show he dedicated to the topic. Quotes from that show can be found in the link I've already provided. It's pretty comprehensive. If you go through those links and still choose to believe he's a jerk who doesn't believe autism exists, I feel sorry for you. It must be hard then for those around you who can't ever say something incorrectly and correct themselves later on. You always go by their old statement, not their new.
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                                        • Author by christopher howard (February 28, 2010 11:36 am ET)
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                                          "I feel sorry for you. It must be hard then for those around you who can't ever say something incorrectly and correct themselves later on. You always go by their old statement, not their new."

                                          If I hung around creeps who attacked people for having a disease, I would correct them. Apparently you are not familiar with the concept of CYA because that's exactly what Savage's later statements amount to. Also, Savage frequently brings up old quotes by people he doesn't like, regardless of any subsequent corrections they've made. Oh, and in the spirit of your last comment, I feel sorry for you and anyone who know you too.
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                                        • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:33 pm ET)
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                                          He did that show to keep from getting his ASS FIRED, you idiot.

                                          No wonder you're proud to be a "common man." You've EARNED it, buddy.
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                              • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:31 pm ET)
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                                How can you be "right"? Are you Savage? If not, then you have NO IDEA what he really meant.
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                      • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:30 pm ET)
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                        You are "using what he meant to say and what he actually believes"?????? How the HELL do you know that? Are you Michael Weiner Savage?

                        What he said was not "poorly phrased." I've listened to Savage for years on the radio. He said EXACTLY what he meant to say from the beginning. Only when he got slammed for his stupidity, did he start backtracking.
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                        • Author by MagCynic (February 28, 2010 12:51 pm ET)
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                          We're getting to a bad point in this country when people can't make honest mistakes anymore. It's always what someone said in the past that you can use against someone. Whatever they said later to clarify be damned.

                          Both sides are guilty of this. Glenn Beck is still calling Van Jones a truther despite Jones explaining how he came to sign it. I believe Van Jones when he says he isn't a truther. What more do I have to go by than someone's word. Without our word what are we?
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                          • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
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                            It wasn't an "honest mistake." Anyone who listens to Savage KNOWS that Savage, like all other hate talkers, will deny he said what he said if it looks like he's going to get his A** canned. Stupid people like YOU believe him.

                            Beck, your duplicate, is going after Jones because he wrongly blames Jones for his advertiser problems. It doesn't matter if Jones is a "truther" or not. Even if he is, WHO THE HELL CARES? I thought your duplicate was all for free speech. Beck was calling for Jones' head for exercising his right to free speech. Nice try, Beck-clone.
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                            • Author by MagCynic (February 28, 2010 1:17 pm ET)
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                              Beck, your duplicate, is going after Jones because he wrongly blames Jones for his advertiser problems.
                              So it has nothing to do with Jones' incendiary remarks against white people or his supposed beliefs in communism? Has he ever even mentioned this advertiser boycott on air?
                              Beck was calling for Jones' head for exercising his right to free speech
                              This is the problem; I can understand your belief if you only base it on what you read here, at the Daily Kos, HuffPost, DU, etc. What I can't understand is how you come away with this belief if you watch Beck regularly. Where has Beck ever tried to silence Van Jones? Beck's problem with Jones is that he didn't agree with having a communist, racist, and truther working for the White House. Jones wasn't vetted enough. It's not a free speech issue.
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                              • Author by christopher howard (February 28, 2010 1:33 pm ET)
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                                "I believe Van Jones when he says he isn't a truther."

                                "Beck's problem with Jones is that he didn't agree with having a communist, racist, and truther working for the White House."


                                Can you at least keep your positions consistent on one thread?

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                                • Author by MagCynic (February 28, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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                                  Can you at least keep your positions consistent on one thread?
                                  Ugh. You people need to watch Beck more often instead of the 30 second soundbites on MMFA. I was referring to before he resigned his position. I haven't heard him refer to Van Jones as a truther in awhile. He mainly points out Jones' communism.
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                  • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:28 pm ET)
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                    That was Savage's CYA comment, you dolt. He's just like all of the other hate talk radio DJS, including your duplicate. They say something really, really, really stupid and come back the next day and say, "Well, that's not what I really meant, I meant . . . . "

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              • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:21 pm ET)
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                You are really stupid, you know that? I have a sweet little four year old friend with autism. Autism is NOT a fraud. . . it is HEARTBREAKING.

                Embrace your "common man" ignorance, Mag. You've earned it.
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          • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 3:21 pm ET)
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            well i can provide a case of autisim that isn't misdiagnosed. and isnt a fraud.

            his name is jacob, and he is 9 years old. he also just happens to be my brother.

            so be very careful in what you say about this subject, because i can guarantee i know far more than you can ever hope to. and michael savage doesn't know his rear from his elbow when it comes to autisim. the cdc has come out and said that 1 in 150 children born will be autistic...........and ya know what savage doesnt know better than they do.
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    • Author by jediknight65 (February 27, 2010 12:39 pm ET)
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      so vaccines may not be the cause of autisim......it still exist. unless your michael savage of course
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      • Author by bruce1ace (February 27, 2010 2:23 pm ET)
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        The proper comparison in this case would be vaccines, the supposed cause of autism, and mankind, the supposed cause of global warming.

        He is not saying that global warming doesn't exist.
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        • Author by bintx (February 28, 2010 12:34 pm ET)
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          Um, nobody's claiming that global warming is supposedly caused by mankind. Everybody I know simply says that mankind's misuse of our planet is accelerating a normal cycle.

          The man made an idiotic comparison.
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    • Author by papa bear3 (February 27, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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      [url= http://www.templegrandin.com/]Where is Temple Grandin when we need her . . .[/url]
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    • Author by SLRTX (February 28, 2010 12:48 pm ET)
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      Of course it's the "global warming of autism."

      You have the same denialist, crank conspiracy theorists believing AGW is a cover up by the world's scientists, and that there's a cover up by other scientists to somehow hide the supposed link between autism and vaccines.

      These people are nuts.
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