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Beck says FDR "looked to Mussolini and fascism," progressives did the same with Hitler

March 02, 2010 5:53 pm ET

From the March 2 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck:

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    • Author by nerzog (March 02, 2010 5:54 pm ET)
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      Liar.
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    • Author by txthinker (March 02, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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      We look at Mussolini and Hitler and say, "They're just like Glenn Beck."
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      • Author by tman418 (March 02, 2010 11:44 pm ET)
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        Well, they were paranoid, and wanted to hunt down any one who disagreed with them,just like Glenn Beck.
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    • Author by mjh (March 02, 2010 6:00 pm ET)
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      Beck says FDR "looked to Mussolini and fascism," progressives did the same with Hitler


      Um, Glenda -- if the US looked Mussolini with such admiration, why would Mussolini declare war on the US just two years later??

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    • Author by darrick72 (March 02, 2010 6:00 pm ET)
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      Sorry Beck, but it was a conservative named Prescott Bush who looked to Adolf Hitler and whom Adolf Hitler looked to.
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    • Author by progressivevoicedaily (March 02, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
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      King D-Bag. He doesn't know sh8t about what he is saying....quite pathetic actually
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    • Author by blueline99 (March 02, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
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      This is the strategy, isn't it.

      Day after day, keep repeating it.
      Progressives = Stalin
      Progressives = Hitler
      Progressives = Mussolini
      Progressives = Communism
      Progressives = Freddy Krueger
      Progressives = Boris and Natasha

      Does it really work? Does Beck's audience really believe it?
      I certainly hope not.

      I have no interest in watching his show, but the clips that MMFA post sure are scary enough... Every day, the same comparison, well his audience is either getting bored or believing it.
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      • Author by bintx (March 02, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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        Oh, they do. Did you not see caseye's posts here this morning?

        Caseye has actually gone out like a good Becky and bought a copy of Cleon Skousen's "The 5000 Year Leap." This person believes that the non-historical rantings of a man that the FBI, his former employer, kept a file on because they considered him "dangerous," that another former employer called an "incipient Hitler," and who the Mormon church believed was nuts and tried to distance themselves from . . . This is Beck's "hero" and the source of a lot of his BS.

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    • Author by AB-001 (March 02, 2010 6:02 pm ET)
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      Way to rewrite history! Bulldoze right over the facts and nuances and shades of gray that is the reality of history.

      Problem is too many people are swallowing this pablum and repeating it. And that's what's really scaring me about this man
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    • Author by raddave43 (March 02, 2010 6:02 pm ET)
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      Wow a picture of a TIME magazine cover with Mussolini on it shows that FDR looked to him for an example? What did the article say about Mussolini? I wasn't alive in the 30s and my dad was only an infant in 1939, so I don't know if anyone was prasing fascism at the time, but I have read nothing to indicate this.
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      • Author by aj.physics (March 02, 2010 9:54 pm ET)
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        Time has had many dictators on their covers, but that didn't mean that they were supporting them. They may have called them geniuses, but that didn't mean that they were good guys. You can't always judge a book by it's cover. You would think that a guy who is well known for being a rodeo clown and a recovering alcoholic and is trying to sell you his plan for the nation would be the first to not want people to go by their first impressions.
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    • Author by bintx (March 02, 2010 6:06 pm ET)
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      You are SUCH a liar and so desperately lacking in the education to KNOW that you are a liar.
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    • Author by New Frontier (March 02, 2010 6:10 pm ET)
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      Hey, Beck, you piece of trash: why not just go to the FDR Memorial in DC and spit (or even better, sh!t) on a statue of FDR? You know you want to...
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    • Author by GBU-15 (March 02, 2010 6:11 pm ET)
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      O.K. Becky. Hitler rose to power because of a DISTRUST of politicians! They were at the core of his "stab in the back" that had doomed Germany to crushing reparations. Your distrust of politicians is eerily similar. Those who don't "fit" in your version of America are not to be trusted. You are a seditious liar and if the press won't say it I will. The sooner you are off the air the better. The country will be better for it! You are an example of what is wrong in this country and you need to be called on your lies everday. Glenn Beck. Un-American traitor to his country!
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    • Author by michaelr (March 02, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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      Any student of critical thinking knows what Glenn Beck is talking about better than Glenn Beck.

      He's talking about Modernism. After the Enlightenment and the age of Reason introduced doubt about religion, god was no longer at the center of the moral universe. The ruling class lost its main device for controlling the masses. The void that the Enlightenment was eventually filled with Modernism or an idea about a perfect society where the government created a model of an ideal citizen that everyone was supposed to strive for. This was supposed to give people a purpose in life since they no longer feared the fires of hell. Now the ruling class could control them again.

      Unfortunately Modernism manifested itself as Nazism and Communism. So it failed, in the West, and we moved into post-modernism. Now any narrative you want can be the grand narrative that gives your life purpose. Maybe Yoda's teachings are what give you direction, or you look to astrology, celebrities, or even Glenn Beck to teach you how to live your life. It's your choice. Hyper individuality.

      So Glenn Beck is talking about Modernism, not Progressivism. The free market is probably the most progressive idea ever.

      Glenn Beck should have been aborted.
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      • Author by nerzog (March 02, 2010 6:23 pm ET)
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        Well, keep in mind that Beck's primary reference for all this tripe is most likely Jonah Goldberg's screed Liberal Fascism... and we know what a "scholar" Lucianne's little boy is.
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      • Author by Bongo Fury (March 02, 2010 7:46 pm ET)
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        I've learned more from the musical catalogue of Al Stewart that Beck could even fathom.Stewart has studied history and related it eloquently through song."Russians and Americans" and "Palace of Versailles "to name a couple.
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    • Author by Dhalgren (March 02, 2010 6:16 pm ET)
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      Revising FDR as an admirer of Mussolini. So that must make Churchill an admirer of Hiter. He did socialize British healthcare, after all.
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      • Author by Bongo Fury (March 02, 2010 7:38 pm ET)
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        Agreed Dhalgren and the Brits are doing fine with it.By the way,Dhalgren is one my my favorite books ever.Samuel Delaney was definitely on it.
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    • Author by worrierking (March 02, 2010 6:27 pm ET)
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      It's really sad that many people buy into Glenn's delusions. I've been out of school for more than forty years and even back then, a lot of people weren't too interested in history. I imagine it's not much better today. Those who remember history best are usually the ones who lived it.

      I know that my parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles are turning over in their graves. They supported FDR. The men all went to war under FDR and defeated the forces this lousy parasite tries to link to FDR. Some never made it back.

      I wonder how they'd feel knowing that what they valued and fought for is being thrown away by a group of people who don't deserve the freedom that FDR won for them against the powers that Beck claims FDR supported.

      Is this what America has become?
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      • Author by John Paradox (March 02, 2010 7:53 pm ET)
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        People have a tendency to disbelieve what they don't see and experience firsthand. Whether it's distance in space (them furriners) or time (the Nazis were progressives), many people simply won't accept other people's word on something, regardless of evidence that the other person is correct.
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    • Author by fishgirl26 (March 02, 2010 6:33 pm ET)
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      Wow! Look at the 1939 WAY BACK MACHINE. Glenn, just because you have a old TV on set doesn't make it 1950 anymore.
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    • Author by MagCynic (March 02, 2010 6:45 pm ET)
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      It was my understanding that before the war and the Holocaust the progressives in this country were interested in the ideas of Mussolini and Hitler. Was this not the case?

      FDR's personal letters reveal that he was impressed by what Mussolini was doing and said that he kept in close touch with that "admirable gentleman."[8] Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times, "Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."

      Wikipedia
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      • Author by raddave43 (March 02, 2010 7:01 pm ET)
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        I guess you missed the disclaimer at the top of that article.
        This article has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page.
        Its neutrality is disputed. Tagged since March 2008.
        Its factual accuracy is disputed. Tagged since March 2008.
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        • Author by MagCynic (March 02, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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          That specific quote is also sourced to an actual book.
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          • Author by Ruby (March 02, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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            An actual book? Wow!

            And those are never biased or written solely for the purpose of promoting a political agenda.
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            • Author by MagCynic (March 02, 2010 7:37 pm ET)
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              At least I'm trying to actually look into it somewhat. You aren't doing squat. The Progressives before WW2 thought highly of the Fascist Party of Italy. H.G. Wells once said that Progressives must become liberal fascists and enlightened Nazis.
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              • Author by Ruby (March 02, 2010 7:59 pm ET)
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                If you're gonna make claims like that, you gotta back it up with something substantial. That's a pretty serious claim to make.

                One of my favorite Glenn Beck moments ever was during his CPAC speech. As he's going on and on about how evil the progressives are. Then he starts explaining how he was able to get his education--via the public library. Public libraries are a product of the progressive movement in America. It just goes to show how little Beck and his ilk actually KNOW or UNDERSTAND about progressivism.

                They just call people they disagree with Nazis and fascists.
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                • Author by MagCynic (March 02, 2010 8:07 pm ET)
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                  First of all, what claim would you like me to back up specifically.

                  Second, every public library I know of is run by the local government in each county and state.
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                  • Author by New Frontier (March 02, 2010 8:23 pm ET)
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                    Pick up a book and learn the difference between "a product of" and "run by", fool.
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                    • Author by MagCynic (March 02, 2010 8:38 pm ET)
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                      Despite all the responses and thumbs down nobody else is even making an attempt to enlighten me on why the Progressives didn't look fondly at the early Fascist Party.
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                      • Author by raddave43 (March 02, 2010 9:27 pm ET)
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                        Because it's false








































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                      • Author by New Frontier (March 02, 2010 10:24 pm ET)
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                        nobody else is even making an attempt to enlighten me
                        Probably because they've realized it's a fool's errand.
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                      • Author by internet soldier (March 03, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
                           
                        The burden of proof is on you, my dear.....
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                  • Author by bintx (March 02, 2010 10:44 pm ET)
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                    So, you are saying that because a library is run by a local or state government it's not part of the progressive [advocating change and reform] movement? Our library, as do most public libraries, is partially funded by federal funds via grants.

                    You and Beck need to spend more time in those public libraries. You aren't learning enough.
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              • Author by worrierking (March 02, 2010 8:28 pm ET)
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                What you're doing is attempting to tarnish the reputation of one of our best presidents. Who gives a fu_k what H.G. Wells said?

                FDR and Churchill may have remarked that they liked some ideas of Mussolini's. Sometimes truly evil men and women have a good idea. None would have ever reached a position of prominence unless they were able to persuade people to believe in them.

                I don't know. I do know that I googled "fdr impressed with mussolini" and came up with a lot of links, most with the fingerprints of The CATO Institute all over them.

                What is without question is that FDR led the nation to war against Fascism, Germany, Italy and Japan. He brought the nation out of the Great Depression and helped to bring about programs that built, educated and cared for the middle class and our senior citizens.

                Beck and his followers are disgraceful. They rant and rage against the very things that enabled their grandparents and parents to prosper. They mock a generation that risked it all for freedom and prosperity.

                What have people like Beck and his ilk ever risked for anyone except themselves?
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          • Author by bintx (March 02, 2010 10:41 pm ET)
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            Your duplicate's new best friend, David Barton, has lots of quotes in his books . . . many of them were fabricated by Barton to fit his agenda. He had to admit that they were "unsourced."

            And you call folks on this site "naive"?
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      • Author by bintx (March 02, 2010 10:40 pm ET)
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        Is Wikipedia where you learn all your "history", Mag? If so, you are woefully uninformed. This article is suspect and it is noted at the top of the page.
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    • Author by roverflash (March 02, 2010 7:08 pm ET)
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      Monday February 8 / Monday March 1
      Glenn Beck - 2,858,000 / 2,782,000
      O'Reilly Factor - 4,366,000 / 4,022,000
      Hannity - 2,731,000 / 2,667,000
      On the Record - 1,947,000 / 1,737,000

      Not sure how much to read into this, but the viewer counts are slipping a bit.
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      • Author by bintx (March 02, 2010 10:46 pm ET)
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        Maybe people are getting sick of the bat poop craziness that these people are spewing. I mean, lately, they've been getting worse and worse and worse. It's like they are all trying to out-crazy each other.
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    • Author by edgewaterprog (March 02, 2010 7:21 pm ET)
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      What a dumb@ss...whether it was good or not, the Progressives in the US probably looked more toward the Soviet Union in the period leading up to WW2.

      Time magazine was a Republican publication at the time Beck is referencing.
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    • Author by 4teepee (March 02, 2010 10:32 pm ET)
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      Fascists like Beck attacked the left and unions in the U.S. of the 1930s. There was the German American Bund and the Silver Shirts -- and company goon squads attacked union members. Beck follows in that tradition.
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