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O'Reilly says liberals who support gun control are "today's totalitarians," compares to Hitler

March 02, 2010 8:10 pm ET

From the March 2 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

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    • Author by soze169880 (March 02, 2010 8:14 pm ET)
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      Soooo I guess everything we've heard about the Irish and their downstairs inadequacies is true.
      (I'm Irish, so I hereby bestow the Governor Mooseburger Stamp of Satire on this comment.)
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      • Author by worrierking (March 02, 2010 9:11 pm ET)
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        There's a little truth in every Irish stereotype.

        In my case, very little.
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    • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (March 02, 2010 8:16 pm ET)
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      Hitler's Ghost says America's right-wingers are today's Nazis.

      He mentions that they 1) support torture, 2) wars for corporate profits, 3) spying on their own people, 4) BIG LIE!, and 5) hating on society's most powerless groups.

      P.S.
      ~
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      • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (March 02, 2010 8:22 pm ET)
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        . A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

        From the P.S.
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        • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (March 02, 2010 9:34 pm ET)
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          3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

          Sound familiar?
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      • Author by loonz (March 02, 2010 9:46 pm ET)
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        And these people are obsess with law enforcement and granting the police more and more power.
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    • Author by wookie (March 02, 2010 8:17 pm ET)
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      Bill's off his meds again. Yep, Bill the radical far left going to start talking about regulating commerce and well regulated militias. Next thing you know they will use the government to shut down labor strikes and fire workers. Oh wait, that is your side.
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      • Author by christopher howard (March 02, 2010 10:47 pm ET)
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        Bill broke into Beck's stupid pills again. He's still smarting from Rush making fun of him so he has to double down to prove he's on the crazy train with the rest of them.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 1:57 am ET)
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          You might have a point. O'Reilly is hardly a conservative, but the majority of his audience is. We are getting more and more annoyed with him constantly carring Obama's water and making excuses for Obama's failures.

          Rush called him out on this and Bill felt the sting. He has been a bit more reasonable this week because he realizes he is alienating his audience every time he makes an excuse for Obama. We owe Rush a debt of gratitude for calling him out on this.
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          • Author by Civic Racecar (March 03, 2010 2:19 am ET)
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            Saying that because Bill O tries to be balanced, that he is carrying Obama's water, is just dumb. I'm happy that Bill O started taking more of a moderate stance on some issues and started making valid points in regard to some of the criticisms leveled by the insane host of the 5pm to 6pm group therapy session (Glenn Beck Program).

            No network can expect their hosts to go on the air every night and criticize the President for absolutely no valid reason, and still claim to be fair and balanced. The problem is that Rush is just too far to the right that whenever he sees somebody take a moderate stance on an issue, he feels like they are supporting communism.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (March 02, 2010 8:18 pm ET)
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      Why just guns Bill-O? I want to be able to buy C-4 and I want to be able to buy it now! I want to be the first person on my block to have a flamethrower! It's a neighborhood arms race and I want to be on top!
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 02, 2010 10:32 pm ET)
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        I'm going with the personal size Neutron bomb. I don't like my neighbors, but I love their floor plan.
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    • Author by GBU-15 (March 02, 2010 8:25 pm ET)
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      As an aside Bill-O part of the reason for political instability in Weimar Germany was because the German soldiers took their guns home after the war. A lot of politicians and city officials were assasinated by gun toting militias who did not agree with how they were being governed. The government HAD to round up guns in order to bring about some stability to the country. I'm surprised Becky did not cover that in one of his "lectures".
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    • Author by The_Cat (March 02, 2010 8:28 pm ET)
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      Guess I'm not a liberal then, huh, Bill? I happen to think that we have a sufficiency of gun laws on the books, I just wish they were a little more strictly enforced. I thought the Brady Bill was a reckless and stupid waste of time.

      In the interest of full disclosure, I happen to think that guns are for little girls who like to dress up in big boy pants and pretend to be manly. For myself, I find the discipline and romance of the sword infinitely preferable. I do know how to shoot, of course, I just don't worship firearms.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 02, 2010 8:41 pm ET)
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        I prefer the purity of the atlatl... ;>)
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 02, 2010 11:48 pm ET)
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        I agree with your first paragraph and disagree with your second. I think anyone who has a family and does not own a gun is irresponsible.
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        • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:20 am ET)
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          Guns are statistically more likely to kill a member of your family than an intruder.
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 12:55 am ET)
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            Perhaps, but not my family. I know how to store guns safely and securely.
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        • Author by peace4all (March 03, 2010 11:09 am ET)
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          then you are not only stupid, but dangerous.
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      • Author by The_Cat (March 03, 2010 12:45 am ET)
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        I would like to offer a brief clarification: I happen to think that the worship of guns is for little girls who like to dress up in big boy pants and pretend to be manly.

        I also find it humorous and at the same time somewhat disconcerting that anyone ever falls for the 'Evil libruls want to take your guns aways!' crock. Proof? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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      • Author by Civic Racecar (March 03, 2010 2:30 am ET)
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        I have to disagree with you on your characterization of gun owners. I enjoy guns and I enjoy the plinking and hunting aspects of guns. I don't think I am a little girl simply because I like to go hunting for pheasants. I might also add that, I don't think dressing up in white and wearing a facemask is any better than shooting a gun (assuming that you do fencing).

        I also have to disagree with you regarding the Brady Bill. I own guns, but only because they serve a specific purpose. A lot of guns that should be banned are not, specifically the Tec-9 and the Mac-10. Those kind of guns have no real purpose. I've heard arguments regarding their use in the military, but I can't understand why civilians need them. I also don't understand why the military needs them when a H&K MP5 would do the job. Machine pistols are really unnecessary and contribute to a lot of deaths due to idiots that think spraying, and praying you hit your target, is the best idea. A lot of people fail to realize that a single hit on a target, using a single shot, is just as effective as a single hit on a target, using 20 shots.
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    • Author by ProgLib (March 02, 2010 8:38 pm ET)
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      Billo has obviously been letting his bunk buddy's propaganda (Beck) influence him to believe this kind of crap. Now he thinks the progressive movement is going to take over everything and be like dictators. What a joke.
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    • Author by mmfa.fan (March 02, 2010 8:38 pm ET)
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      Can we go one day without a Hitler/Nazi comparison please? Anybody?
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 02, 2010 8:44 pm ET)
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        It's actually kind of funny considering that we liberals used to be characterized as starry-eyed do-gooders. Now we're called progressives and we're a bunch of Nazi/Communists who want to enslave America. Funny...
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        • Author by riverdog (March 02, 2010 8:50 pm ET)
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          yeah, why did you guys change? i liked the goverment get out of our lives, stop stupid wars time. where did it change to the let goverment rule us. our jobs, our education, everything down to the food we eat.

          yeah i hate the nazi crap from both sides.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (March 02, 2010 8:52 pm ET)
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            We love big government and abortion...not necessarily in that order.

            <sarcasm>
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          • Author by dirtylittlereligion (March 02, 2010 8:53 pm ET)
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            Nothing changed...except your perception.
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          • Author by soze169880 (March 02, 2010 9:08 pm ET)
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            the nazi crap from both sides

            Ladies and gentlemen... THE STUPIDEST PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH! Roll up, roll up!
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            • Author by riverdog (March 02, 2010 9:20 pm ET)
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              wow. so you haven't seen people on the left call the right nazis? the good news for you is that you will get a tax credit for being blind. how many times on mmfa does the left refer the repubs as reich wingers? i counted over thirty today!
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              • Author by soze169880 (March 02, 2010 9:27 pm ET)
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                How many MMFA commenters have TV shows? Anyone who compared Bush to Hitler was shushed by the establishment, and deservedly so. Right-wingers who compare Obama to Hitler are encouraged and cheered on by Republicans in both the media and politics. And, again, you people spent the entire Bush administration insisting any criticism of Teh Jeezus Prezdent was high treason.
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                • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (March 02, 2010 9:51 pm ET)
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                  Anyone who compared Bush to Hitler was shushed by the establishment, and deservedly so.

                  Why go this route, soze?

                  "Hey you called us fascists, we love the whole world, don't call us fascists or...or... we'll cry!"

                  Those right-wingers ARE defending torture, they are waving the flag and carrying the cross, and they are following every single bullet point on the fascist menu.

                  Don't surrender to the Calvin Rules B.S. (New Rule!: Right wingers get to call lefties fascists, and it's no fair when history and whatever right wingers actually support is called out).
                  ~
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                  • Author by soze169880 (March 02, 2010 10:01 pm ET)
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                    Okay, but point being, no one who compared George Bush to Hitler/a fascist in general was given the adulation the rightward equivalent is.
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                  • Author by loonz (March 02, 2010 10:02 pm ET)
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                    I'm with you. If the right wingers want to compare whose ideology is closer to the Nazis and Fascists, I'm ready to go.
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              • Author by worrierking (March 02, 2010 9:34 pm ET)
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                Anonymous posters from the left. You bet we have. And if you counted 30 you probably missed some.

                Show us where Democratic leaders have called a president a Nazi or compared him to one.

                Show us a TV network that compares this president to the Nazis 24/7/365.

                There is a concerted effort underway to destroy this president by those representing America's wealth.


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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 2:15 am ET)
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                  What is wrong with trying to politically destroy this president if you think he is wrong about everything and his policies are ruining America?
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                  • Author by peace4all (March 03, 2010 11:10 am ET)
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                    well, maybe if you were to develop some gray matter between your ears you might figure it out.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (March 03, 2010 11:51 am ET)
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                    What is wrong with trying to politically destroy the black man if you think he is wrong about everything and his policies are ruining America?

                    There. It's fixed. You're welcome.

                    And, how specifically is the country being ruined?
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              • Author by loonz (March 02, 2010 9:36 pm ET)
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                O'Reilly's comparison doesn't fit but ifthethunderdontgetya comparison does.
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          • Author by loonz (March 02, 2010 9:38 pm ET)
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            How is the government ruling "our jobs, our education, everything down to the food we eat."
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 02, 2010 10:38 pm ET)
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              Somebody's mom told him to do his chores, finish his homework, and eat his veggies. He just wants to blame the government, because mommy can see him typing.
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      • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™ł˛®© (March 02, 2010 8:44 pm ET)
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        No.

        Unless you want Jonah Goldberg to rule your world (even more than the Doughy Pantload and company already do).
        ~
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      • Author by temphandle tearfully55timetable (March 02, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
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        Exactly, I'm beginning to prefer marxist
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    • Author by Dradeeus (March 02, 2010 8:43 pm ET)
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      And he's the moderate right pundit.
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    • Author by Sharpe (March 02, 2010 8:53 pm ET)
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      Is O'reilly joking? The Bill of Rights was defining individual liberties that the federal government couldn't take away - it says it in the constitution. State laws have made laws redefining exactly what the freedom of speech means among other things. Its called the penal code. Its called, slander, libel and defamation law ... I assume bill would have heard of these at least once. The right to bear arms is and should be limited - Im sure even BillO would agree that ex-convicts should not be given guns readily and that a background check seems like a rational idea before selling a gun to someone. I LOVE how this is coming from the same morons that have declared over and over again that terrorists should not be granted the right to due process in the fifth amendment.
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      • Author by Samurai Cowboy (March 02, 2010 9:06 pm ET)
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        There are over 20,000 gun laws on the books that just need to be enforced. ATFE Form 4473 has three questions that you must answer truthfully:
        1. Are you a Convited Felon
        2. Have you been jugded Mentally Incompentent in a Court of Law?
        3. Have been charged with Domestic Violence, even if it is a Misdemeanor?

        If you ansewr yes to any of these three, you can NEVER LEGALLY OWN ANY TYPE OF FIREARM.

        MYTH: There are not backround checks at gun shows.
        FACT: ANYONE who wants to purcash a firearm at a gunshow MUST fill out ATFE Form 4473. That form is immediately called in to the National Instant Brackground Check number where all of your info including social is give to the ATFE. On little blip about you on their radar and you can either waits days or week for approval, or the local authorites comes and gets you NOW, and your taken to jail and held until the Feds come and get you.
        So you stupid liberals get that out of your mind.
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        • Author by whatIthink (March 02, 2010 9:38 pm ET)
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          The real truth:

          ATF form 4473, even at gun shows, must be filled out by people who are licensed by the government to sell guns (called federal firearms licensees - FFL)..HOWEVER...at gun shows, private collectors, who are not FFL's but are allowed to sell guns, do not need have ATF Form 4473 filled out by the buyer nor are they required to keep records of who bought what.

          From the DOJ website (emphasis added):

          Gun shows provide a venue for the legal sale and exchange of firearms by federal firearms licensees (FFL) who are licensed by the federal government through ATF to manufacture, import, or deal in firearms. Such shows also are a venue for private sellers who buy and sell firearms to “enhance a personal collection,” or for a “hobby,” or who “sell all or part of a personal collection,” and therefore do not require a federal firearms license.25 Federal laws do not specifically regulate gun shows, although federal firearms laws apply to both FFLs and private sellers at gun shows. For example, FFLs operating at gun shows are required to obtain and keep basic information on firearms transactions and to request federal, and sometimes state, background checks on persons seeking to obtain firearms from them by purchase or exchange.26 Private sellers, unlike FFLs, are under no legal obligation to ask purchasers whether they are legally eligible to buy guns. Furthermore, private sellers, unlike FFLs, are not required to create and keep transaction records or to request background checks on purchasers. This mix of licensed and private firearms sellers – selling guns side by side – makes gun shows a unique forum for gun sales.
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          • Author by Samurai Cowboy (March 02, 2010 10:14 pm ET)
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            I have purchased quite a few firearms, and every time I do I MUST fill out a 4473. EVERYONE WHO BUYS A FIREARM MUST FILL ONE OUT. The only people who do not need to fill on out are people who already posess a Federal Fireamrs license, such as fellow gun dealers and people like me who have a Curio & Relic Federal Firearms License for buying Military Surplus Firearms over 50 years old. Please get you facts straight. Go to a gun shop and talk to a sales clerk. They will tell you the same thing.
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            • Author by Sharpe (March 03, 2010 4:44 am ET)
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              Did you not read the whole comment above? You cannot compare the rules governing gun shops to those who sell guns at gun shows. There are shows throughout the country. People can and have purchased guns at gun shows without any form or background check. This is not a myth, I have read plenty of first-hand accounts in which someone easily purchased a gun without filling out a thing. And my comment was simply stating the obvious fact that there are tons of state laws that limit the scope of the second amendment. BillO stating that the second amendment or the entire bill of rights has always applied to state laws is idiotic as literally thousands of laws in various penal codes have limited the scope and scale of constitutional amendments because while the founders were brilliant, they were also extremely succint and broad with their amendments nor could they possibly think this constitution would serve as the law of the land for over 270 years. Nor could they predict future trials and tribulations that would face the nation centuries after their deaths. That is why they allowed for amendments and why they set up legislative bodies at the federal and state level to make laws. Of course, we should retain our freedoms but not at the expense of anothers. People should be allowed to own guns as long as they do not pose a threat to hurt, kill or intimidate others.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (March 03, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
                 
              I have personally seen a friend of mine purchase guns by a "private seller" at a gun show to avoid filling out the proper forms. It does happen regularly.
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    • Author by Samurai Cowboy (March 02, 2010 8:56 pm ET)
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      My Wife and I am a Liberals. We owns guns i.e. multiple firearms. We belong to the NRA. Anyone can come and try to take them, as long as they show proof that their afairs are in order and that funeral and burials arrangements have been made.
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      • Author by mmfa.fan (March 02, 2010 9:19 pm ET)
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        If someone tries to steal from you, why not just call the cops instead of killing them? Just wondering...
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 02, 2010 11:51 pm ET)
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          IF someone is entering your home, it will take the police at least five or ten minutes to arrive. If you are relying on teh police to protect you, you are irresponsible. Take personal responsibility and defend yourself. If someone comes into my home I am not going to wait ten minutes for the police to show. Ten minutes is plenty of time for a criminal to kill my family. Because I have a sense of personal responsibility I am prepared to defend myself.
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          • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:14 am ET)
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            Because I have a tiny penis, I fantasize about shooting people.

            Fixed.
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          • Author by whatIthink (March 03, 2010 12:33 am ET)
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            Then why not get a taser? Or tear gas? Or some other non-lethal weapon. How about Becks favorite, a baseball bat? Why does it absolutely have to be a gun? There's a world of difference between personal responsibility and thinking you're making the last stand at the Alamo.
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          • Author by goonhee9633 (March 03, 2010 8:56 am ET)
               
            Here in lies the problem with folks like Jindal fan and Samurai. They all claim to be the "responsible" gun owner; locks up guns etc. so therefore it's OK to get rid of gun laws that are designed to protect us that happen to live in urban environments. The whole idea of keeping a gun to protect my family does not apply to where I live; I haven't read one account of someone in my neighborhood defending his family in such a way. But there are several hundred incidents in my city where guns,likely obtained illegally on the street or stolen (from law abiding citizens who had them locked up), are used to commit crimes including murder. Please understand that gun laws should fit the community to which they apply.
            P.S. I can't really move to where you might live so I guess I'm irresponsible.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 3:52 pm ET)
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              Google Petit family and Cheshire. Cheshire is an affluent town with no crime. Should Dr. Petit have owned a gun? IF he did his family would still be alive. If people come into my home trying to do the same thing that happened to the Petit family, the result will be different - I am prepated to defend my family.
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      • Author by Samurai Cowboy (March 02, 2010 10:15 pm ET)
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        Just a take off of Charleton Heston's "Cold Dead Hands" NRA speech some years back.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 02, 2010 10:44 pm ET)
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        So you stupid liberals get that out of your mind.

        My Wife and I am a Liberals.


        What's going on here, Samurai Cowboy ?
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    • Author by cbrockman71 (March 02, 2010 9:05 pm ET)
         
      OK, or maybe we want gun control because we'd like there to be fewer guns for crazies to get and for regular people to get accidentally killed by.

      And maybe we think almost everyone who thinks they need a gun is simply wrong, and that they probably need to grow out of their adolescent fantasy life and go see a shrink before they hurt someone.

      And maybe we think most of the arguments for gun rights are just weak, and based on a seriously flawed reading of the constitution. Gun nuts have an amazing appetite for b.s. disguised as consitutional scholarship.

      People who are serious about argument interpret their opponents charitably and argue against the best versions of their opponents' arguments. On the other hand, the political right in the U.S. does not argue from a position of sincerity or seriousness, and less so now than any time in recent memory.

      THIS, this attitude, this incredible insincerity and irresponsibility, is what is dangerous to this country. And the solution isn't going to be a gunfight.
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    • Author by Bongo Fury (March 02, 2010 9:10 pm ET)
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      Cut his mike!
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    • Author by mmfa.fan (March 02, 2010 9:18 pm ET)
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      I will never understand the obsession with guns in the US.
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      • Author by riverdog (March 02, 2010 9:26 pm ET)
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        1. you can hunt and feed youself and your family.
        2. self preservation.
        3. they are fun to shoot.
        4. they are mine, don't take em.
        5. you don't have to own one if you don't want to.
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        • Author by mmfa.fan (March 02, 2010 9:30 pm ET)
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          Sounds like kids' games to me. Pew pew cowboys and indians. Maybe I have a different outlook since there isn't a violent crime problem here, but the whole gun culture seems pretty strange from a distance.. it boggles the mind sometimes. Anyway carry on, enjoy shooting stuff.
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        • Author by soze169880 (March 02, 2010 10:02 pm ET)
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          1. It's tiny and that makes me so very sad.

          Fixed.
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          • Author by christopher howard (March 02, 2010 10:41 pm ET)
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            Soze, I'm a lib who is basically okay with gun ownership, but your comment made me laugh out loud.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 02, 2010 10:49 pm ET)
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              I think most libs are perfectly fine with gun ownership, and many own guns. It's just the obsession with them, and the paranoia that somebody wants to take them away, that seems unique to the right.

              I own more than one, but I rarely think about them except when I'm going to do a little practice shooting, and imagining that they might be taken away is way down on my list of imaginary government threats.
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              • Author by christopher howard (March 02, 2010 11:02 pm ET)
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                A lot of the "government coming to take your guns" meme is a great concoction for moving the merchandise. Gun dealers love having Democratic administrations in charge because the paranoid right can be depended on to stock up in the event that Obama breaks down their door.
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                • Author by wookie (March 02, 2010 11:17 pm ET)
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                  And it sells NRA memberships. Fear makes the cash register ring. The Tea Party types like to use guns as a trump card to cry tyranny if they don't win the vote.
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                • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 02, 2010 11:54 pm ET)
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                  The feds came to take Randy Weaver's guns at Ruby Ridge - how did that work out?
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                  • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:14 am ET)
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                    Wow, openly defending terrorism. You're a Great American.
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                    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 12:21 am ET)
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                      HOw was Randy Weaver a terrorist? The terrorists were the ATF agents who murdered Vicky Weaver.
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                      • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:24 am ET)
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                        Good thing your fellow Great American Timothy McVeigh paid them back, huh, BJ?
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                        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 12:54 am ET)
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                          Tim McVeigh was a terrorist. He is no different than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I don't believe in teh death penalty, but if anyone deserved it Tim McVeigh was teh guy.
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                          • Author by christopher howard (March 03, 2010 6:44 am ET)
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                            "HOw was Randy Weaver a terrorist?"

                            You are right. Weaver wasn't a terrorist, but he was a white supremacist.
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                            • Author by riverdog (March 03, 2010 11:08 am ET)
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                              i don't get it. you all hate the forms of the police, fbi, cia etc. but if they screw up you defend them because why? oh it was clintons watch. man wrong is wrong.
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                              • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 2:18 pm ET)
                                   
                                Who here has said they hate the police? It's your side that thinks only a commie would acknowledge laws against torture.
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              • Author by worrierking (March 03, 2010 7:24 am ET)
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                I agree DHF,I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, but the obsession and paranoia are a bit creepy.

                Why do gun advocates always use the "cold dead hands" macho, cowboy routine to explain how much of a badass they are?

                I object to the cavalier way they threaten to turn the guns on someone else, for stealing, taking their guns or whatever. Anyone who boasts about using a gun on another human being shows me that maybe they shouldn't have one.

                They don't help their cause with this kind of talk.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 03, 2010 9:42 am ET)
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                  I think it's been pointed out enough that the obsession probably has to do with compensating for other inadequacies.

                  Guns can be pretty useful tools, just like the floor jack I have in my garage. I'd be happiest never having to use that jack, I don't put my entire manhood and identity into that jack, and I sure don't have any weird fetish about rolling it along with me to political rallies.

                  Besides, when totalitarian wingnuts come around threatening to take away my liberties, I normally kill them with my bare hands, and never even take my bullet out of my shirt pocket. I occasionally use my Mexican bullwhip, but only to humiliate them by removing the cigar from their mouth.
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                  • Author by worrierking (March 03, 2010 9:52 am ET)
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                    I don't worry about wingnuts trying to take away my liberties. I hold them off with my withering gaze and if that's not enough, I give them a sound tongue lashing they won't soon forget.
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                  • Author by Bronwyn (March 03, 2010 4:06 pm ET)
                       
                    Col, you are on a roll today. Thanks for the laughs and the good points mixed in.
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      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 02, 2010 11:52 pm ET)
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        I know - because you are a liberal. There are many things liberals don't understand. Guns are just one of them.
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        • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:15 am ET)
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          I'm thinking maybe all the liberals who have served in the military while you were too cowardly to probably know a little about your precious guns.
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          • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 12:22 am ET)
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            What in the world makes you think I didn't serve in the military? Have you ever heard of ROTC? Of course not, you didn't go to college.
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            • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:23 am ET)
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              And you did? Well, then, that makes you an elitist.
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              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 12:53 am ET)
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                People in ROTC are elitists? I'm afraid you are going to have to explain that to me.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 03, 2010 1:03 am ET)
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                  I know - because you are a wingnut. There are many things wingnuts don't understand.
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                  • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 1:23 am ET)
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                    I admit I certainly do not understand the rationale that would label anyone involved in ROTC as an elitist. The adjective I would use is patriotic.
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                    • Author by worrierking (March 03, 2010 7:17 am ET)
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                      Being in the ROTC is not being in the military unless you completed your education and training and enlisted afterwards.

                      Being in the ROTC doesn't make someone an elitist. It also doesn't make them a soldier or a member of the military unless you went into the service after ROTC.

                      I don't usually make assumptions, but I've never run across anyone who when asked if he served responded that he was in ROTC. I'm assuming that if you had served in the actual military, you'd have responded that you served in the military, not participated in a military training program in college.

                      And self proclaimed patriots aren't patriots. A patriot is defined by his actions, not by his mouth. And no patriot would ever write the following:

                      "What is wrong with trying to politically destroy this president if you think he is wrong about everything and his policies are ruining America?"

                      by Bobby Jindal fan (4 hours and 47 minutes ago)


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                      • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
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                        OK, here's teh deal. If you complete ROTC, you are required to give five years of service in teh reserves. If you are in teh reserves you are serving in the military. This is not a difficult concept.
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            • Author by peace4all (March 03, 2010 11:15 am ET)
                 
              lol, the ROTC. bet it was scary putting your life on the line like that. you got a pretty good shtick going here. you just spout off the most inane crap. but you may have to change your handle. people are figureing out that you are not what you pretend to be. no one can be as stupid as you seem.
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    • Author by jonesjax2374 (March 02, 2010 9:24 pm ET)
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      Is someone counting how many times the name HITLER is mentioned in a week? A day? Its comical.
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      • Author by riverdog (March 02, 2010 9:30 pm ET)
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        comical and sad. it dilutes the horror of hitler and the massive damage he did. what next, soap commercials that refer to their compitition as nazis?
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        • Author by christopher howard (March 02, 2010 10:42 pm ET)
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          Craig: I suspect we disagree on most things but you get a thumbs up from me on that one.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 02, 2010 10:50 pm ET)
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            Me too. That one conjured up some pretty funny images.

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    • Author by loonz (March 02, 2010 9:32 pm ET)
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      It seems like they're for the government overstepping its boundaries with respect to the 1st and 3rd through tenth amendments [and even some of the latter amendments] but they'll care like babies when their overly broad interpretation of the Second amendment is curtailed.
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    • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 02, 2010 11:47 pm ET)
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      Why do liberals want to ban gun? IT seems to me that liberals are selective in terms of which portions of the Bill of Rights they wish to follow. What part of "shall not be infringed" is unclear to liberals.

      It is a historical fact that upon assuming power the first thing Hitler did was confiscate. I am FAR more afraid of people who want to ban guns then I am of someone having a gun.

      People who support gun control are fascists - period.
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      • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 12:19 am ET)
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        Liberals don't want to "ban gun". Or ban guns, for that matter. Oh, and what's the right-winger say next?
        IT seems to me that liberals are selective in terms of which portions of the Bill of Rights they wish to follow.

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        People who support gun control are fascists - period.

        This is just a whole new level of stupid.
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      • Author by The_Cat (March 03, 2010 12:42 am ET)
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        A better question would be "Why do Faux Cons insist on pushing the false meme that liberals want to ban guns?" Bobby Jindal fan. It's not true. If you have evidence otherwise, please provide it.
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        • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 12:52 am ET)
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          Liberals embrace every gun restriction. THe current case before teh Supreme COurt is because the city of Chicago wants to ban handguns. The city of New York bans handguns. In Connecticut I can carry a concealed handgun on my person and it is perfectly legal. If I cross the state line of NY ten miles away, I am committing a felony. Is this logical?
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 03, 2010 1:01 am ET)
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            Logical? Since when does the law have to be logical. Congress shall make no law restricting the right to keep and bear arms, Bobby Jindal fan. The states, counties, and municipalities are allowed to. I have a friend who worked forestry in Oregon, and got caught with a perfectly legal concealed weapon registered (in Oregon) in California. The only reason he didn't spend the night in the pokey was because the law enforcement official who caught him decided to be reasonable. But California gun laws are much different from Oregon gun laws.

            Are you advocating for a federal level firearms registry and concealed-carry permit database? So that, as long as you are legally registered in your home state, you're legal wherever you go? Because I thought you were all about smaller government, and less interference, right? You'd be adding a big unfunded bureaucracy, and forcing local jurisdictions to follow federal firearm guidelines and licensing rules. See how that works? So, which is it? More government, or less government?
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 1:20 am ET)
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              Selective incorporation. Starting with Palko vs. CT in 1937, SCOTUS incorporated the Bill of Rights to include the States under the aegis of the 14th Amendment. Palko ostensibly overruled Baron vs. Baltimore (1835).

              The Warren Court basically put selective incorporation on steroids. Basically, the state of CT could not pass a law banning free speech under the rubric of "Fundamental Due Process" (Powell vs. Alabama (1926). If a state can not pass a law banning free speech, under this rationale neither could it pass a law abridging the right to bear arms.

              I am absolutely NOT advocating a federal firearms registry. I am advocating that all 50 states respect the Second Amendment. I believe the state of New York's laws which forbid me from carrying a concealed weapon is unconstitutional. I fear that I might someday find myself in a similar situation as your friend of California.
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              • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 2:21 am ET)
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                Can anyone refute this? Am I misstating legal precedent? I'm waiting......
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                • Author by christopher howard (March 03, 2010 6:41 am ET)
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                  "People who support gun control are fascists - period."

                  People who are proudly pro-torture are fascist thugs. That would be you, BJ Fan.

                  "Liberals embrace every gun restriction."

                  And yet, if you go bak through this thread, you'll see a number of the liberal posters here saying that they are not against gun rights. Please brush up on your reading skills.
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                • Author by papa bear3 (March 03, 2010 9:33 am ET)
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                  The City of New York would be even more of a free-fire zone without theses laws. 9 million people living in such close proximity to each other with all that tension, anger and alcohol would be just unlivable.

                  There is difference between owning a weapon and having the willingness to use it.

                  I am sure the Mob, street gangs and your run of the mill lunatic could care less about precedent.

                  I guess in Conn and Oregon the conditions would not be the same.
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                • Author by The_Cat (March 03, 2010 3:34 pm ET)
                     
                  As it happens, it is settled law that the Second Amendment prohibits only Congress from passing gun control laws, and not the several states.

                  Here's your sign.
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                  • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 4:00 pm ET)
                       
                    That is the issue that SCOTUS is deciding in McCormack v. Chicago. We will see what Anthony Kennedy has to say. His questions during oral arguements are encouraging.
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          • Author by The_Cat (March 03, 2010 1:01 am ET)
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            "Liberals embrace every gun restriction."

            This is an assertion, not a statement of fact. Supply evidence, please.
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            • Author by Bobby Jindal fan (March 03, 2010 1:21 am ET)
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              Can you name one gun restriction that Democrats in Congress did not embrace? I can't, but please enlighten me if you can.
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              • Author by soze169880 (March 03, 2010 8:38 am ET)
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                I can't help but notice they've never used a Congressional majority to, um, ban guns.
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              • Author by The_Cat (March 03, 2010 3:32 pm ET)
                   
                No, no, Bobby Jindal fan. You made the assertion, you supply the proof. Your reply leads me to believe that you have no proof and are attempting to shift the burden to me so that I don't realize that there is nothing to back up your assertion. The last major gun law I remember passing was the Brady Bill, and that happened because it was what Republicans wanted. Remember?

                So, c'mon. Bring on the proof, if you have a shred of it.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 03, 2010 1:05 am ET)
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            You can take your pants off in your bedroom, but not at an elementary school. It's logical.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (March 03, 2010 7:52 am ET)
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      O'Reilly says liberals who support gun control are "today's totalitarians," compares to Hitler

      O'Reily is an idiot!
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