Quinn's "truth" about Islam: "duplicitous and violent men" and those who "wir[e] Down syndrome children with explosives"
March 05, 2010 6:34 pm ET
From the March 4 edition of Clear Channel's The War Room with Quinn & Rose:
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That was debunked a long time ago. It was not a child with down syndrome, it was a woman who suffered from depression and I don't believe anyone forced her to do it.
Sigh.
1: Trying to stop Muslims from forcing your people into slavery and dhimmitude is OPPRESSING Islam? Really? That's the logic that has led to the spread of radical Islam.
2: The man took his own life, he committed suicide. This same man if he had run into a crowd of his "oppressors" and killed as many of them as he could before being killed would have been hailed as a hero of Islam. In the story you related he killed himself because he couldn't stand the pain therefore he was a coward and condemned by Muhammad.
3: Conservatives don't say suicide bombers get 72 virgins etc. Conservatives (and others) repeat what has been preached by the imams.
4: Jihad isn't meant to protect Muslims it's meant to advance the spread of Islam. If some Muslims are blown up in the process they should have been happy to sacrifice their lives for Islam. If they weren't happy to be blown up then they weren't true Muslims and deserved to be blown up anyway.
You need to really learn about a subject before you try to argue about it.
2. Suicide bombers are not considered suicides under Muslim law. Let's examine what a martyr is. A martyr is someone who dies while fighting for a cause (engaged in jihad). The man in your story wasn't a martyr, he wasn't engaged in jihad when he died. He was in so much pain he abandoned the struggle (jihad) and killed himself. Rather than facing his pain and continuing to kill the infidel he wimped out. Under Muslim law that makes him a suicide, not a martyr. If you die while still fighting (like a suicide bomber does) you're a martyr, not a suicide.
3. Yes, jihad literally means to strive or struggle. It means everything from struggling to control your over-eating to striving to blow up the infidels with a bomb strapped to yourself. Pretending that it doesn't won't make the facts go away. All you have to do is listen to what Muslims say when they talk about jihad. Some imams will talk up the nonviolent aspect of jihad but how about those people blowing up buses? Do they claim to be engaged in jihad? Sure they do, just because you don't want to accept the violent aspect of jihad doesn't make it any less real. Who are you to say that blowing up buses isn't jihad? Are you Allah himself to make such determinations?
Suicide bobmers ARE considered suicide under Muslim law and in the Koran. It is one's actions that determines suicide. If you do something actively to kill yourself, it is suicide, and that includes strapping a bomb on yourself and blowing yourself up.
Do you even know who Islam consideres to be "infidels?" Yes, people who blow up buses consider themselves to be engaged in Jihad. I never said there was no violent parts to a jihad. But, from your original post, you indicated that it was the ONLY part of jihad.
I suggest you stop reading books written by Christian evangelicals and really study Islam before passing judgement on it.
I have heard many imams say suicide bombers are martyrs, why would I not believe them? These are self-proclaimed Muslims espousing these beliefs. They even quote passages from the Koran to support their views.
Yes, I know who Muslims consider to be infidels. My original post did not indicate that violent jihad was the ONLY pat of jihad. It simply stated that jihad (in reference to the post I was responding to) is meant to spread Islam.
Please if you're going to discuss an issue bring something more to the table than your blind assertions. For your information I don't read books by Christian evangelicals, I find them to be boring and full of hypocrisy. I get my information about Muslims from Muslims, you can't get more accurate than that.
You may have heard radical Imams say that, but according to the Koran, it is suicide and the person would not be a martyr. You can quote things from the Bible to support radical views, like segregation.
Again, Jihad is not meant to spread Islam, that may be one aspect of it, but it is not the only one.
No you don't get your information about Muslims from Muslims. Otherwise, you would not think the way you do.
As soon as I saw Everywhere Islam has spread there has been a vast destruction of culture and knowledge I knew that we're dealing with a Glenn Beck University graduate.
All religions proselytize. Most have done it by force, and Christianity is one of the worst offenders. But just about all religions contain validity. Or, at worst, contain some good recipe for civilized living.
Talk like this is just not constructive. There is absolutely nothing positive to be derived. Quinn thinks he wants a religious war, but lest he forget...
Hosea 8:7 - ...they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind".